The Vladimir Putin thread

polar said:
Hang the bankers said:
PharaohRa said:
nomadbrah said:
No one believes the Skripal story. Among the ordinary people.

I've been doing some light research on British newspapers and each of them has people calling it false flag etc on Facebook. No one believes it. Only the media elites.

Of course such a Facebook sample isn't scientific but it is telling that you can't find support anywhere.

The people simply don't believe it and the elites might miscalculate their ability to propagandize. If they do want to push onwards with their agenda, then they do so against the will of the people, making them show their colors as tyrannical government.
If that Skripal story isn't a false flag, then I don't know what is! Why the elite keep on pushing the Russia spiel, I have no idea!
Speaking of which, the Russian ambassador to UK just came out and said what everyone else has been thinking: that the British intel agencies are responsible for this false flag.
The political back-and-forth is amusing to watch - from a distance. Regardless of the truth, it's the job of the Russian ambassadors, foreign affairs ministers, etc. to go ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and point fingers every which way. Admitting guilt only invites more consequences.

Some Kremlin-watchers are reading this assassination as a signal from Putin to the elites, particularly in the security services, i.e., "you'll never be safe if you defect". From that POV, this is simply realpolitik at work, but not a sign of strength.

Opposition media claim that a number of those killed under suspicious circumstances were directly involved in investigating Putin's rise to power and alleged corrupt schemes in the 90s - for instance, Berezovsky was playing against criminals and affiliates of Putin in various corrupt schemes, from skimming off contracts, to "protection" rackets at various ports and laundering money for drug imports by the Cali cartel. Litvinenko was investigating Putin's ties to organized crime. Scot Young allegedly helped Berezovsky launder money from his ill-gotten gains, and learned too much. etc. From this POV, Russia is a state run by criminals - literally - who'll stop at nothing in efforts to keep their reputations clean.

Buzzfeed has a fascinating seven-part series on this, involving the dizzying rise to success of various players, fast cars, Dubai whores, competing interests, mafia, etc. Probably a better read than whatever's on the NYT bestseller list these days:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/poison-in-the-system

Perhaps the most surprising of these is the murder of Mikhail Lesin, who was "in" with Putin, created a TV advertising monopolist in Russia, and founded RT, then was found murdered in a DC hotel, possibly just before he was supposed to meet with US government investigators. In other words, his past close relations with Putin didn't help him.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/putins-media-czar-was-murdered-just-before-meeting-feds
All of these supposed assassinations by Putin reek of a CIA false flag to me. Naturally there were a lot of shady dealings that Putin must have been involved in during the nineties, as otherwise his rise to power in that cutthroat environment would not have been possible, usually in opposition to the (((ruling power))) in Russia during the Yeltsin years.

But for the vast majority of the deaths of these people that have occurred since 2000 I have a suspicion that someone else was responsible, especially as these (((Bill Browder))), (((Mikhail Khodorkovsky))), and (((Boris Berezovsky))) types go on the MSM in the West and cry out in pain as they strike you, i.e. complain about Putin kicking out a lot of these asset-strippers that had reigned during the 1990s. True, you could say that he kicked them out to replace them with his own cronies, but the point still stands. In that light it seems the rootless transnational elites benefit more from these killings than Putin does, as it's already common knowledge to most people that treason is traditionally punished by death, so "making an example of them" in this way, especially given the obvious international consequences, seems too stupid of a move for someone like Putin to make.

Now this has become a boringly predictable cycle, some former oligarch or agent dies and this is used as an excuse for more sanctions, demonization of Russia, and agitation for NATO and US military (ZOG global empire) spending increases. I mean Putin would have to be blind and stupid not to see that, which I do not believe he is. Is this vague notion of "making an example" or "show of strength" worth such complications? It sounds to me more like a weak attempt for people to rationalize these actions that Putin has no real motive for, not one that would override the obvious problems.

Besides the CIA/Mossad involvement angle, there is also the disputes between these oligarchs that have to be taken in account, and some deaths may be attributed to that. The point is I find this latest round of nonsense surrounding the Skripal poisoning (apparently he's doing fine now? So much for "military grade chemical weapons") and trying to blame this on the Russian government appearing to be completely coordinated and suspicious. It just doesn't add up.
 

polar

Pelican
Gold Member
Putin spent the early 2000s making it clear that if you landed on the Russian Forbes 500 list in the 90s and wanted to see the world out of a window without bars on it, you had to fall in line and continue to scratch the right backs. And keep your hands out of politics, unless it's for Putin. (That was Khodorkovsky's and Berezovsky's mistake.)

Put differently, they can leave Russia, but Russia won't leave them.
 
Yes but none of this information is new, everyone and their dog would have dealt with the mafia during the 90s, if they were engaged with business or politics of some kind. How can we convince Russians to not vote for Putin when thy have seen a marked improvement in their lives since he has been in power. Anyway 30 years and above can remember how shit life was was pre Putin. They are a cynical bunch the Russians, way more cynical than we are in the West. I just feel a lot of people in the West are banging their heads against the wall, trying to understand something that they are barely touching upon.
 

polar

Pelican
Gold Member
I'm Switzerland on Russian politics. Stability is artificially enforced through law enforcement, rather than the flexibility of a democratic system with checks and balances. The opposite of antifragile. But to get to the other side, the system would need to go through a time of instability and reform, and few would want that when the 90s are part of the public memory.

Putin brought stability for middle and working classes, the economy improved but largely despite, rather than because him. He's seen as a savior nonetheless because the nineties were a time of deprivation for all, and starvation for many. And he's made himself, his family, and many in his inner circles fantastically rich through unfair play.

The established powers don't want rule of law because they gained their power in a corrupt system, and would be the first victims of fair investigations. Positions of public office are bought and sold.

The non-controlled opposition is hopelessly idealistic and generally untrustworthy themselves.

No honest men in politics there.
 
Guys, Putin in the early 2000's did a lot of good in terms of salaries rising, Chechnya being sorted out, organised crime gangs being put under control of the FSB etc. If you think that tall these attacks are false flags then you have serious problems. I suggest you stop reading Alex Jones and other nutjobs and speak to Russian people (I am Chechen).

I mean, look at the murders of Anna Politkovskaya, Ded Hasan, Yaponchik, the Yamadaev brothers in Dubai etc. Once you understand the mentality and situations of the people in the government then you may realise that people have a lot to lose and will do anything to silence critics. Russia is a messed up country. Up until 1997, my city had open slave markets.

Most Russians would give their left arm to move to Europe or the U.S. While they might not openly admit it, deep down they would. Remember this when you worship your god Vova.
 
speculator said:
Probably the most charismatic and controversial leader of 21st century, Putin is an archetype of manhood that we need in this pussified world. You can disagree with his policies and methods but Russia is a huge clusterfuck than can only be governed through strength and consolidation of power. I am sure many books will be written about this man and his colossal role in modern history. Unfortunately, there won't be another Putin and there won't be another Trump after they are gone.

Putin didn't rise to power in the nineties. He has always been part of the power. He is the dark cardinal of Russian politics that has always been present at the decision table.

Putin, the tourist with a camera, as an undercover KGB agent asking Reagan provocative questions.



Putin watching over Gorbachev.





Putin with the Godfather of Russian Mafia, Aslan Usoyan aka Ded Hasan.



Putin with his mentor and old friend Anatoly Sobchak.



Putin with his former wife.



Rap about Putin.


This man, like Trump, has a plan that he has been working on all his life. If Russia were an industrialized country like Germany and Japan, Western sanctions would have crippled its economy a long time ago. Their underdeveloped economy and harsh history help them cope with hardships like no other nation. The only way white race can survive is through the peace between USA and Russia. Until then, whites are going to commit a suicide on a daily basis.
That's not Ded Xasan.
 
nomadbrah said:
bws8118 said:
(I am Chechen).
Reminder that chechens killed Boris Nemtsov, but Putin got blamed for that as well.
Yes. Kadyrov wouldn't do anything without permission from Putin. Everyone knows who ordered it. Everyone except conspiracy theorists in America.
 
bws8118 said:
nomadbrah said:
bws8118 said:
(I am Chechen).
Reminder that chechens killed Boris Nemtsov, but Putin got blamed for that as well.
Yes. Kadyrov wouldn't do anything without permission from Putin. Everyone knows who ordered it. Everyone except conspiracy theorists in America.
Except that's not at all the story coming from Russia and Checnya, quite the opposite that Kadyrov has become unstable, difficult to manage.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ov-threatens-whole-of-russia-opposition-warns
 
nomadbrah said:
bws8118 said:
nomadbrah said:
bws8118 said:
(I am Chechen).
Reminder that chechens killed Boris Nemtsov, but Putin got blamed for that as well.
Yes. Kadyrov wouldn't do anything without permission from Putin. Everyone knows who ordered it. Everyone except conspiracy theorists in America.
Except that's not at all the story coming from Russia and Checnya, quite the opposite that Kadyrov has become unstable, difficult to manage.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ov-threatens-whole-of-russia-opposition-warns
He is. But there is only one reason why he is still in power in Grozny and that reason is Putin. He can be removed at any time if he stops being of use and causes too many problems. He is both run and owned by Putin. There is no getting away from this fact.
 
nomadbrah said:
Putin would never remove him, because that would mean the CIA/Mossad islamists quickly creating a new revolt.
It would mean a power Vacuum as you inferred. However, there would be one or two members of the current inner circle who are even more mental than Ramzan who would do just as good job - but why take that risk.

I get that Putin is admired in the West by non left wingers. But to absolve him of his sins and blame everything on a false flag event it ridiculous. Take the poisoning in the UK. Do you think the ex Ukrainian President was also a false flag? It's literally two failed attacks.
 
bws8118 said:
Guys, Putin in the early 2000's did a lot of good in terms of salaries rising, Chechnya being sorted out, organised crime gangs being put under control of the FSB etc. If you think that tall these attacks are false flags then you have serious problems. I suggest you stop reading Alex Jones and other nutjobs and speak to Russian people (I am Chechen).
Can you put out a datasheet on Chechnya?
 
Cross posting something I wrote in the Trump thread that triggered lots of Trump bots there and is obviously relevant to this thread.

Watching Trump's rather ineffectual struggles to assert any kind of authority over the American power structure highlights just what a fucking G Vladimir Putin is. Not that Trump isn't in a difficult situation, but remember that Putin was installed as a literal puppet of the Jewish Oligarch Mafia that at the time had tighter control of Russia than the American Deep State can dream of vis a vis America. The challenges facing Putin upon acceding to power were arguably greater than those facing Trump today.

Putin's enemies didn't play around with "special counsels" and "impeachment," dead bodies of prominent businessmen and politicians were being found riddled with 7.62mm holes on a weekly basis for a decade and nobody gave a shit since the man on the street was literally the man on the street: lining up for bread to avoid starvation.

But Putin went in there as a glorified bitch of the oligarchs and turned the tables on them, cleaning those rat faggots out with extreme prejudice. At the same time, he had to deal with the Chechen war inside Russia's de-facto borders and of course the continual efforts of the world's number one geopolitical power, the United States, to fuck him and Russia over.

This man truly is the greatest OG alive today, and it's not even close. Americans may well be too brainwashed and vapid to elect a man like Putin president, but goddamn if I didn't wish we had an American Putin in the oval office right now. Trump will likely come and go with no lasting impact on the course of American history whatsoever, and the country will continue to descend into third world status, or worse. The contrast between Trump's leadership and lack of impact compared to Putin's 180 degree alteration of Russia's fate could not be more stark.
 
Dragan said:
bws8118 said:
Guys, Putin in the early 2000's did a lot of good in terms of salaries rising, Chechnya being sorted out, organised crime gangs being put under control of the FSB etc. If you think that tall these attacks are false flags then you have serious problems. I suggest you stop reading Alex Jones and other nutjobs and speak to Russian people (I am Chechen).
Can you put out a datasheet on Chechnya?
It's not Moscow or Saint Petersburg. You'll get the shit kicked out of you. You can't walk up to girls and hit on them, it's suicide.
 
Higgs Bosun said:
Cross posting something I wrote in the Trump thread that triggered lots of Trump bots there and is obviously relevant to this thread.

Watching Trump's rather ineffectual struggles to assert any kind of authority over the American power structure highlights just what a fucking G Vladimir Putin is. Not that Trump isn't in a difficult situation, but remember that Putin was installed as a literal puppet of the Jewish Oligarch Mafia that at the time had tighter control of Russia than the American Deep State can dream of vis a vis America. The challenges facing Putin upon acceding to power were arguably greater than those facing Trump today.

Putin's enemies didn't play around with "special counsels" and "impeachment," dead bodies of prominent businessmen and politicians were being found riddled with 7.62mm holes on a weekly basis for a decade and nobody gave a shit since the man on the street was literally the man on the street: lining up for bread to avoid starvation.

But Putin went in there as a glorified bitch of the oligarchs and turned the tables on them, cleaning those rat faggots out with extreme prejudice. At the same time, he had to deal with the Chechen war inside Russia's de-facto borders and of course the continual efforts of the world's number one geopolitical power, the United States, to fuck him and Russia over.

This man truly is the greatest OG alive today, and it's not even close. Americans may well be too brainwashed and vapid to elect a man like Putin president, but goddamn if I didn't wish we had an American Putin in the oval office right now. Trump will likely come and go with no lasting impact on the course of American history whatsoever, and the country will continue to descend into third world status, or worse. The contrast between Trump's leadership and lack of impact compared to Putin's 180 degree alteration of Russia's fate could not be more stark.

Part of what you say is true. Part of it shows how stupid you are.
 

AManLikePutin

Kingfisher
UK's war propaganda continues ... Just imagine a cartoon completely demonizing Israel or a Muslim country. Never happening.

The fact that the Anglo-zionists and the Globalist-controlled West so viciously detests Putin and Russia tells me he's doing something right. We are reaching insane hysteria levels..The Times also depicting 4 full pages to Russia, and another article: "Russia launches cyberwar on the UK".

 
Rocha said:
The big question remains. Why are always foreigners meddling in Russia's affairs?

The people voted (en masse), the leader was elected. End.
Deal with it. When Trump won everyone cherished with democratic tears. I also cherish with foreign tears regarding Putin, specially American, Jewish and Ukrainian.

Undoubtedly the man has done a lot for his country and people, and re established Russia as a major International player. All the rest is fait divers.

He might have some personal interests at stake, but you guys are so naive to think that other country leaders are any different? And yes, Western leaders.
Reading this thread , too much putinlarping but this one tops them all with sheer ignorance


Russia is the cuck who doesn't understand why Ukraine doesn't like him for being an abusive husband. The Kievian Rus was founded before the Rus emulated their structures by Khazars/Jews, the ancestor of the 3 east slavic tribes/nations. Russia is actively interfering in the affairs of Ukraine and the average Russian I met is much more brainwashed than the average Ukrainian.

Rocha has 50 reps but admitted on a previous thread to group sex(which Ukrainians don't do so I have a hunch it was p4p and is beta/disgusting regardless) and seems ignorant about European geopolitics.

Western leaders such as Trump and Orban are better because they don't poison journalists or ban social networks such as telegram.


Even Russian propaganda agrees that Putin is a revisionist piece of shit asshole :D

https://www.rt.com/news/420330-putin-time-travel-soviet-union/


Reps shouldn't be given out like hotcakes



Rocha and others on here, please read Forney's article and educate yourselves


https://mattforney.com/hungarian-election-european-union/
 
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