The Vox Day thread

Aurini

Ostrich
PharaohRa said:
Vox Day's problem is that he is a dick with poor charisma. He understands the heart of the issue but he has to address it as a douche. His pride blinds him instead of using it as fuel to do greater things and has only himself to blame if he doesn't get the attention he desires. Also, his anti-gamma behavior makes gammas even more attractive to him the same way a jerkboy's actions make women even more attracted to him. It is as if as one poster describes him, he is the gamma king.

If Vox does not want gammas to pester him, then he needs to stop egging them on and tell them to GTFO forever!
That's a lesson I had to learn the hard way.

The only way to get rid of Gammas is to forgive them, and move on with your life. They have an endless gluttony for punishment and drama.

When you wrestle with a pig, you get covered in mud, and the pig enjoys it.
 
Is anyone else underwhelmed by his commentary regarding CoronaChan?

For me, this issue has been a litmus test: who can see the real issues & challenges? Another BigBrain like Vox is Nassim Nicholas Taleb (he, too, misses this issue). Both men seem to be very prideful and seem to lack serious spiritual insight.

Lesson in there.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
What's his opinion, and that of Taleb, and what's yours? Haven't been following his vlogs in this time of highly saturated, fast-moving online media content.
 

bbgun

Woodpecker
Magnus Stout said:
Is anyone else underwhelmed by his commentary regarding CoronaChan?
He's still playing footsy with China. In a blog post yesterday, he almost seemed proud that we were so far behind in high speed rail, as if that's what anyone wants to hear at this time. "Sure China fucked the world, but they have fast trains!"
 
911 said:
What's his opinion, and that of Taleb, and what's yours? Haven't been following his vlogs in this time of highly saturated, fast-moving online media content.
NNT’s very enamored by his own probability models & pushed for early worldwide lockdowns and masks. Initially, I agreed (until seeing the lies). He’s called out the WHO (rightly) but misses the forest for the trees: you can win the battle against this flu, but lose the War by ushering in a “Brave New World.” His myopia is best explained in that he is likely a “cultural Christian” with a very weak spiritual life.

Vox Day is also brilliant, but has posted no serious contemplation of what CoronaChan is—a new era. Although he lives in Italy now, he’s plugged in enough to see what’s happening in the States is unprecedented and monstrous. Where’s his trenchant observations? He seems to parrot QAnon stuff: that Covid is maybe “Cabal,” Trump is doing an A+ job and the MSM is the enemy fighting against simple chemical treatments (antimalarials). So, his analysis begins and ends with “Trump vs (((Them))).”

Both fail to see the bigger picture: what happens after this wave or another more virulent virus hits? Part of the revolution is this: we don’t have rights anymore, but privileges. Like inmates, we’re heavily monitored (subject to snitches) and limited freedom is a tiny carrot dangled in front of us for good behavior as they see fit. Can’t they also see this is a cold Spiritual War that is now going Hot?
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
bbgun said:
Magnus Stout said:
Is anyone else underwhelmed by his commentary regarding CoronaChan?
He's still playing footsy with China. In a blog post yesterday, he almost seemed proud that we were so far behind in high speed rail, as if that's what anyone wants to hear at this time. "Sure China fucked the world, but they have fast trains!"
That post reads more like a detached, objective observation.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/04/theory-vs-practice.html

First, there is no ruling elite as extractive and parasitic, and few as observably corrupt, as the current US ruling elite.. Second, these theoretical strengths are mostly imaginary and based on the historical American posterity rather than actual US demographics. Consider the [disparity between China and the US in high speed rail construction]
Vox is right in this comparison China's ruling elite to ours. Basically China is investing around $10 trillion on its infracture projects, including the slik road network on roads, rail and ports, while we spend roughly the same amount on mideast wars and corporate/banker bailouts.

So you can easily make the argument that our elites are more extractive than theirs, based on this, and on the fact that our middle classes have been shrinking and getting poorer while theirs have been growing exponentially and getting richer, to the point where China is going to use Africa and other nations like Pakistan and Indonesia as "their China", the same way the globalists used China as a cheap manufacturing center.

They will in the process have large economic and political sway over these regions and emerge as the leading world power.

Our ruling classes view us as an enemy that has to be demographically diluted and have been deliberately constricting our social and economic welfare.

[img=500x500]https://external-preview.redd.it/Lq...336fd36169ba37a3890d14f30aee64c0bb1913e[/img]

You clearly see this now in the deliberate destruction of small businesses in the engineered lockdown, and the upcoming harmful vaccination program.
 
Vox’s blog can be easily searched (suggest “corona” as the term). I just reviewed again and something else he mentions repeatedly is the benefits of Corona-chan relating to trade and immigration. But, even those issues are unclear (ex: perhaps mass immigration is already at critical levels for the Agenda, and retreat from China was probably inevitable due to wage increases). In any case, nothing is mentioned about church closures and the religious elements (other than QAnon evil Cabal talking points).

I trust he will come around when things are more obvious, but credit goes to Roosh and other commentators for reading the signs early.
 

Hermetic Seal

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Saw this absolute howler today on a Voxday post about China:

Furthermore, who could honestly condemn a nationalist government that persecutes Christians, at least so-called Christians of the sort who are actively aiding and abetting the ongoing invasion of the West? I'd very much like to see a dedicated persecution of those Churchians myself.
I hardly know where to start with this drivel. Okay, let's start with this. "Churchian" is a stupid, unintuitive term that will make no sense to anyone who hasn't been reading Voxday for years. Years before the "Dark Lord" adopted this term, it was used by the popular Christian blogger Michael Spencer and even shows up in the name of his book Mere Churchianity, no less, to describe something different (shallow evangelical feelgood megachurch faith) than how Voxday uses it.

I'm feeling generous, so I'll suggest a better term: "McChristian." The rainbow flag-flying cuck churches are to real Christian faith what McDonald's is to real hamburgers. There, was that so hard? Of course not.

I absolutely would condemn a nationalist government persecuting Christians because my first allegiance is to Christ and His Kingdom. This kind of comment really exposes where Voxday's priorities lie, after over a decade of reading his blog it's obvious that Christianity is just a means to an end for his ideal LARPy medieval wargame-esque society. I don't think this was always the case ("The Irrational Atheist" was a good resource back in the New Atheist heyday) but in the past seven years or so that Vox pivoted toward pimping for nationalism of a country he white-flighted out of instead of staying to fight, his Christian trappings have become mere window dressing.

Anyway, it's not the state and society-approved churches in China that are being persecuted (similar to how American churches saying socially-acceptable goodthink and flying their rainbow flags get a free pass.) It's the underground, evangelical ones that challenge the regime that get persecuted. I'm sure if you talked to the Cruxfinder General of the Chinese Gestapo they'd enthusiastically tell you they're just trying to protect national interests by slaying the dissident Christians. I'm broadly pro-nationalism and find the dissident right's take on things far more convincing the neoconnery or SJWism, but some extent, the authentic Christian church will probably be at tension with whatever the government might be - and will need to resist either attempts to co-opt it for the state's ends, or to corrupt and compromise it.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
His Christianity seems to be more about negatives than positives. What I mean by this is that he boosts Christianity not out of love of God but simply because the people he loathes are anti-Christian so to further antagonize them, he will support what his enemies hate. It's an extremely unhealthy attitude and one of my concerns about the Christian revival among the red pill sphere is that it's not born out of genuine conviction but is just another way to "own the libs". Not that doing so can't be great fun and I'll have to admit I do get a kick from so but it shouldn't be the root of someone's faith.
 

Athanasius

Kingfisher
"Churchian" is a stupid, unintuitive term
This is true. When Vox talks about Christianity, he does it with the nuance of a girlfriend who talks about a basketball player scoring a goal. Churchian gets used for two very different groups: (1) Liberal Christians aka. apostates who deny orthodox Christian doctrine. These are your womyn pastors and mainliners who talk about Jesus as a refugee, deny his deity and virgin birth, and fly rainbow flags. (2) Non-demoninational types and baptists who accept Zionist narratives and go to megachurches. These latter people are often believers. I have some in my family. In the main, they are good people who don't stray in their thinking and reading outside of more mainline sources like Fox News. (Note that in group 2, there are people here and there in leadership positions who I think are subversives in group 1 and are the type of "savage wolves" Paul talks about in Acts 20.)

I absolutely would condemn a nationalist government persecuting Christians because my first allegiance is to Christ and His Kingdom.
I don't get him on China either. Terrible take about an evil government.... there's just video of the government in the past week raiding an underground church... which, you're right, that's who they are after. Vox did mention once that long term he sees China becoming a Christian nation. I think on this he may be correct.

This kind of comment really exposes where Voxday's priorities lie, after over a decade of reading his blog it's obvious that Christianity is just a means to an end for his ideal LARPy medieval wargame-esque society..
One time someone asked him why he was a Christian. Most people would say it was about salvation-- I know I'm a sinner unworthy of a holy and perfect God and need Christ's righteousness. Vox instead said it was because Christianity was the best hope for Western Civilization. But he has other times talked about that we're sinners and his trust in Christ, so God only knows.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Is anyone else underwhelmed by his commentary regarding CoronaChan?

For me, this issue has been a litmus test: who can see the real issues & challenges? Another BigBrain like Vox is Nassim Nicholas Taleb (he, too, misses this issue). Both men seem to be very prideful and seem to lack serious spiritual insight.

Lesson in there.
What handle did you post under on his blog, and why were you banned?
 

Athanasius

Kingfisher
Right. I've heard him say in the past year or so that He accepts Christ's divinity per Nicaea, but denies the divinity of the Holy Spirit. He's a modern-day Pneumatomachi. He's also said he could be wrong about all this (a rare thing for Vox to say). His issue seems to be with councils after Nicaea.

The thing people need to understand about the councils, and there is mountain of historical nonsense on the internet about how the Trinity was "invented" at Nicaea, is that they were a specific response to conflicts and movements. Serious challenges to what the church had always believed, but never formulated in detail, gave the impetus to bear down, study the issue, and formulate a creed. At Nicaea the key topic was Christ's divinity. At Constantinople, which came after the final defeat of resurgent Arianism (promoted by several emperors before Theodosius) and after Origenist belief had waned, there was a further clarification of Nicaea (the Pneumatomachi were also denied a presence there). At Ephesus, the nature of Christ. At Chalcedon (today a suburb in Istanbul), Trinitarianism. Before Constantine's edict of toleration, the church was on the run, subject to periodic persecution (in fact Diocletian, who preceded Constantine, presided over perhaps the worst of the entire Christian era). There was never the opportunity to have significant councils before the 4th century. But, there are plenty of church father writings in earlier centuries to note that the church wasn't teaching much that was new when it came to these creeds, it was just teaching it in a more thought-out fashion.
 
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Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Vox cannot accept anything as the masses accept it because that would inescapably imply that he didn't have a special understanding of the subject matter that the proles were not smart enough to comprehend.

If you put it to Vox that "everyone knows the sky is blue" he would probably reply something to the effect that the sky is technically grey because it can only be considered an average of its many colours such as black at night and orange at sunset.

I'm not anti-Vox. He's a fighter and an achiever which is something the West needs a lot more of. But I cannot imagine how unpleasant it would be to be in his company or subordinate to him in any way whatsoever.
 

Hermetic Seal

Kingfisher
Gold Member
@Leonard D Neubache That's probably why so many of the (good) authors he had on Castalia House like John C Wright and Peter Grant seem to have distanced themselves from him, if not outright ditched him, and are publishing their stuff elsewhere now. Although it may also be neglect from VD deciding to put all his focus on comics and his idea-of-the-week.

The guy is actually a pretty good editor. If he'd just stuck to that instead of doing cringey livestreams I doubt he'd have become an internet laughingstock.
 

Pendleton

Pigeon
I enjoyed his blog back when he was focused on nationalism but over time the petty internet squabbles, money making attempts and his unappealing personality came to dominate his blog. He seems obsessed with portraying himself as what a 12 year old in the 1980s would have considered a cool guy, odd behavior for a guy in his 50s. The "gamma" concept seems to largely consist of his own negative qualities that are at odds with this desired cool guy persona. I was fine when he was a grumpy nerd who occasionally had an interesting take on topics I was interested in. The blog eventually became more about feeding his ego and establishing a fantasy persona and less about ideas.
 

Thurisaz

Newbie
I've read some posts here on E. Michael Jones and recently listened to the podcast Roosh did with him. As a Christian and as someone who recognizes that I have been grafted into family of the God of Israel, I am indebted to the Jewish Messiah and to the Jewish fathers of the faith who follow in the likeness of Abraham's faith.
What you call Abraham's faith is Christianity. What is called Judaism these days was organized in the second century AD in an anti-Christian and thus anti-God reaction. The rebellion lasts to this day.

Namely, given that he is calling out Jews for many of the societal ills that are plaguing the West, what would his response be to the Jewish people as a whole, given that he feels they are responsible for those problems? It seems that if the Jews are being blamed for homosexuality, pornography, abortion, race relations, etc., then the implication would be that they need to be stopped.
Their cultural subversion is the reason they have been kicked out of ~100 countries historically. It is nothing new. People become so-called anti-Semitic because of experience, not prejudice.

However, not all who are of Israel have forsaken the Lord. Obviously, the Messiah himself is a Jew.
Not in the sense the word is used today. You mix together an ethnos and a religion. Modern Judaism is entirely anti-Christian and massively Talmudic.

The apostle Paul was a Jew.
Spiritually speaking I'd emphasize the was.

Peter, the pillar of the Catholic church was a Jew. The early Christians were Jewish and spread the Gospel to the nations, that if it were not done, all of us who make a claim to be a disciple of Messiah Jesus would not know the name of the Lord had it not been for those faithful followers of Jesus in the first century.
Those kinds of Jews are usually called Christians. That's also what they called themselves. Christianity is not a new religion - it is the religion of Abraham. Jews of today have abandoned and forsaken it.

We all owe a debt of gratitude to Jews for giving us the hope of the Gospel that we believers share in until this present day.
Why call Christians Jews?

Consider this, o Christian. If God wanted to cause the Jews to be jealous for his love by turning his affection towards the Gentiles, does that mean that God has forsaken the Jews?
It's pretty much the other way round. Jews abandoned God for their pride and rebellion.

For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved"
Who do you think this Israel is?

Secondly, we can blame the Jews for being perverse and spreading perversity. We can find fault with them for many things. But consider this, simply attempting to spread evil and carnal perversion in the world is one side of the coin. The fact that we in the West are willing participants in this perversion makes us just as wretched as the people peddling it.
You're pretty much quoting Jones there. I entirely agree.

You think you can blame the Jews for spreading pornography but not blame yourself for watching it?
No, I'm entirely responsible for pleasuring myself to fatherless runaways in the hands of smut peddlers. I'd like to ditch that habit.

You think you can blame the Jews for advocating for abortion and not blame yourself for aborting your child because the laws gave you provision to do so?
That some advocate murder does not take responsibility from the murderer. We each answer for our own choices.

The Jews may be responsible for these things but what sort of evil people are we for participating in the very evils that we have blamed the Jews for creating?
Milked cattle, in more ways than one.

If you are a Christian, take heed to yourself and walk wisely and circumspectly. If you don't think you are worthy of condemnation, you are deceived.
If one didn't consider oneself a sinner, why would he need Christ?

If you participate in the public judgment of the Jews but consider yourself a follower of Messiah Jesus, you don't realize that you are passing judgment on God's people.
Well, Jesus also called who you call "God's people" Synagogue of Satan and sons of their father, the father of liars.

It sounds to me like you're revering a bloodline.
 

Thurisaz

Newbie
I consider him among the three most important writers and thinkers of our age.'

That said, I have no clue why should anyone discuss his person.
 

Hermetic Seal

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Probably because of stuff like this blog post from the other day, containing these classic Voxisms:

- Sperging out at his own fanbase
- Getting pissed over unwanted video recommendations, something most normal people would shrug and ignore
- "I Am Verysmart and read faster than you, peons"
- Total lack of self awareness
 
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