The Vox Day thread

[EndlessGravity]

I don't think we should be a doormat, but itn't it wiser to not meet the enemy at the battlefield of their choosing (or which they control).

This may be true but most men are not Vox Day. The arrogance is a feature not a bug regarding this topic (going behind enemy lines). If he can take the fight to the doorstep of the biggest companies controlled by evil and hit them where it hurts, does it matter if it was a grand slam? He had the balls and he exposed their stupidity to the public light. That is a strategic victory but also a psychological one: more men will find their courage and follow on the battlefield of their choosing.

AKA learn the lesson and stop whining about the man.

 

[Enoch]

It looks like neither side really won (which is often a "victory" according to the lawyers). None of us will probably see the settlement document. Patreon (and other companies, like Amazon) suddenly realized that mass arbitration is not a wise move if hundreds of people suddenly file (each case is charged a flat fee). Is that really a victory worth popping the champagne corks?

I could never understand the wisdom of (1) using a (((company))) who serves Satan, then (2) suing when they retaliate against you. Examples: Patreon and the Bears; Vox and Google (no lawsuit yet). I think they objectively had both a legal and ethical reasons to sue. However, both the corporate world and the legal world is run by the Enemy. I don't think we should be a doormat, but isn't it wiser to not meet the enemy at the battlefield of their choosing (or which they control).

Whatever the future holds for us, the only thing that I can state with certainty is this: our future is not part of the System (Globohomo). Each of us needs to make plans to operate independently of the System. We don't need to look to leaders (like Vox or Owen, etc...), but only to God and ourselves. From this perspective there is no leadership to corrupt or bribe. Collectively, our actions will operate like a leak of water in the Evil Globohomo dam--gradually, then all at once, the dam will collapse.

Without reading the actual terms of the settlement no one will ever know who "won".

It does take balls to take a legal fight to a much larger and better funded enemy.

 

[Magnus Stout]

It does take balls to take a legal fight to a much larger and better funded enemy.

I think Vox Day--like his father--was blessed with surplus bravery and boldness. But, bravery and wisdom are seldom gifted in equal measure. Both seem to have a bias towards "doing something." This appears to be what was behind Vox's support for Trump (even though his "Warp Speed" was objectively Evil) and "Q" (a Luciferian cult). Sometimes no action is better than wrong action.

 

[Ember]

Congratulations to Vox and Spacebunny!

 

[CynicalContrarian]

Globohomo Fears the Tradwife​

Satan’s little servitors are worried about the declining appeal of one of their greatest weapons, feminism:

THE GEN Z GIRLS REPPING THE ‘TRADWIFE’ LIFE
Mention the word “tradwife” and you might imagine the 1950s archetype: A “traditional wife” in a dress and an apron, smiling at her husband and three kids while presenting a gleaming beef roast at the dinner table, pleased as ever in her domestic domain.
How TikTok and a Gen Z aesthetic are selling a lifestyle used to justify misogyny and white supremacy in America
For a swath of right-wing American men, that image is part of a fantasy of how things “used to be,” in the good ol’ days before antifa and Black Lives Matter and feminist YouTubers ruined everything. The tradwife symbolizes stability — at least for those who imagine social change as an attack on their identity and being. It is the “submissive and breedable” meme, made unironic by chauvinism. It is, ultimately, a hatred of women going their own way.
Which made it all the more surprising when Mariel Cooksey began noticing the Gen Z women and girls actively repping the tradwife aesthetic and lifestyle online. Cooksey, a researcher at the Institute for Research on Male Supremacy, decided to study why and how this rhetoric spreads, and found that teen girls are being attracted to the movement thanks to an evolution in how tradwife ideas are marketed and presented.

They ruin. We build. They cohabit in sterility. We marry and multiply. They die off in the present. We show up for the future.
They lose. We win.
Reject feminism and show up for the future.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

Too Late to Shout “Stop!”​

The Tree of Woe explains why it’s too late for conservatism:

Conservatism is dead.
Who would stand athwart history and shout “Stop” at this moment in time? America today is a dystopia.
The ruling class has pilfered the wealth and productivity of three generations of workers, financialized it into securities, and sold it to the globe. Now the factories and infrastructure of the country decay, and with them go our productive capacities. As productivity declines, purchasing power declines, so more currency is printed for billionaires. Productive wages languish while financial wealth soars. The hyperinflation of our currency spells doom for our consumption. “You will own nothing,” and you will not be happy.
Meanwhile, personal autonomy has been discarded in favor of the grossest arguments of collectivism. Parental rights have been handed over to the nanny state. The borders have been left open, even as our citizens have spent the last two years locked in their homes. The freedom of assembly has been abrogated. The freedom of speech has been obliterated. Through the mechanisms of Tyranny, Inc., the federal government has learned that any act or speech it wants to be regulated, it can have corporations regulate on its behalf.
Federal omnipotence is matched only by federal incompetence: The government is no longer competent to craft a budget, maintain a city, or win a war. It is no longer competent to even lose a war. A functioning autocracy can oftentimes achieve national greatness. A dysfunctional kleptocracy can achieve nothing but its own corrupt enrichment, and even that only until the citizens have nothing left to steal.

This is why the Nationalist Right, the Nationalist Christian Right, is inevitable. The alternatives have already failed. Globalism will fail. And we know, from the Bible, that both the nations and Christianity will survive until the end.
Proceed with confidence and serenity. No matter what names they hurl at you.

Emphasis added.
Sure enough, the bold text is true.

Praise be to the Almighty.

 

[timbo]

I like his blog, although I also think he is difficult to like. Some of the previous posts on this thread seem to be from people who have a real thing against him, and having just perused reddit, this seems to be a relatively common phenomenon. I've read some of his books and his comic books, and while they may not be the greatest things I have ever read, they are interesting, informative and laudable achievements, and better than any of my books, because my books are all still in the imaginary stage, same with my internet TV Channel, my own personal social media platform, my alternative to Wikipedia, my army of followers and volunteers, and of course my publishing company.

I did find a couple of typos and one or two words used out of place in Throne of Bones, but we can't all be perfect at English. Heck, I make the occasional mistake myself. Some of the previous comments on here seem unfair in light of my experience of this person, which is, I'll admit, jolly limited. I know this isn't the Orthodox part of the thread, but still I think there is a lot of wisdom in the idea that we shouldn't rush to judgement, regardless of how things might appear and our own personal feelings or hunches about an issue or person.

Personally, I cannot see how someone so obviously intelligent has not yet found and converted to Holy Orthodoxy, but that is just me. I'm not going to hold that against him.

 

[get2choppaaa]

I like his blog, although I also think he is difficult to like. Some of the previous posts on this thread seem to be from people who have a real thing against him, and having just perused reddit, this seems to be a relatively common phenomenon. I've read some of his books and his comic books, and while they may not be the greatest things I have ever read, they are interesting, informative and laudable achievements, and better than any of my books, because my books are all still in the imaginary stage, same with my internet TV Channel, my own personal social media platform, my alternative to Wikipedia, my army of followers and volunteers, and of course my publishing company.

I did find a couple of typos and one or two words used out of place in Throne of Bones, but we can't all be perfect at English. Heck, I make the occasional mistake myself. Some of the previous comments on here seem unfair in light of my experience of this person, which is, I'll admit, jolly limited. I know this isn't the Orthodox part of the thread, but still I think there is a lot of wisdom in the idea that we shouldn't rush to judgement, regardless of how things might appear and our own personal feelings or hunches about an issue or person.

Personally, I cannot see how someone so obviously intelligent has not yet found and converted to Holy Orthodoxy, but that is just me. I'm not going to hold that against him.

His books and blogs are great.

Cuckservative is excellent and I hear SJWs always lie is great also.


His commentary, Qtarding, and ego not so much.

He's got value added on some topics... But when he said he would kick joe Rogan's ass i kinda stopped taking him seriously.

His issue with Orthodoxy and Catholicism is his incorrect view of the Trinity.

Sometimes believing you are too smart prevents you from seeing the truth due to ego. That's my issue with him.

But I learned a good bit from him at one point.

 

[Hermetic Seal]

My opinion is pretty much exactly the same as get2choppaaa above. I read Vox's blog and books for years and was a big supporter, but he slowly lost my interest/support over the past five or six years because of his self-flanderization and drifting toward pursuits, popularly dismissed as grifts, that simply aren't very interesting to me. I don't have a great deal of animosity toward the guy but it's not surprising to me at all that he gets a high volume of haters.

 

[timbo]

My opinion is pretty much exactly the same as get2choppaaa above. I read Vox's blog and books for years and was a big supporter, but he slowly lost my interest/support over the past five or six years because of his self-flanderization and drifting toward pursuits, popularly dismissed as grifts, that simply aren't very interesting to me. I don't have a great deal of animosity toward the guy but it's not surprising to me at all that he gets a high volume of haters.

Heading that way myself. I don't know what self-flanderization is, but it sounds very funny. I may look it up but I don't want to be disappointed as it sounds very exotic and interesting. Yeah I'm more following him for his great eye for news and history than anything else right now.

 

[Hermetic Seal]

I didn't realize how niche this term apparently is, but usually "flanderization" refers to someone (apparently, usually fictional characters) who over time evolve from somewhat nuanced into caricatures, as a result of their most distinctive attributes being exaggerated; named for Ned Flanders of The Simpsons, who's an archetype in this regard.

 

[get2choppaaa]

I didn't realize how niche this term apparently is, but usually "flanderization" refers to someone (apparently, usually fictional characters) who over time evolve from somewhat nuanced into caricatures, as a result of their most distinctive attributes being exaggerated; named for Ned Flanders of The Simpsons, who's an archetype in this regard.

Not to be confused with self flatulation... Which would also apply in this context

 

[Edek]

His Irrational Atheist is essential "extracurricular reading" for Christians.

The thing I appreciate about him - that many have called Qtarding recently - is that he picks an intellectual position, defends it, and doesn't waver until the fat lady sings. He is treating these debates as a game, which is how I was raised: debates are good healthy sport, and it's often the most fun to defend a weak position, or one you don't even hold. The truth of Q etc is something "out there" - our opinions on it don't matter one iota in the scheme of things, so why not exercise our brains over them for the sake of something stimulating to do? Because people who already don't like us will laugh at us?

As for the grifting, that remains to be seen. Arkhaven is great so far, I enjoy it, but my boomer dad loves it (several of the comics are straight from his childhood) and is recommending it to everyone in his considerable social circle. Unauthorized is building new content far too slowly for the money I suspect they are making, unless you only want to watch Owen Benjamin and St Efan, but it is absolutely a steal to pay $10 for one month access and download everything that takes your fancy. Sure, plenty of it is available for free if you hunt around, but not all of it, and I am not a broke 20-year-old any more who has to pirate everything.

 

[get2choppaaa]

His Irrational Atheist is essential "extracurricular reading" for Christians.

The thing I appreciate about him - that many have called Qtarding recently - is that he picks an intellectual position, defends it, and doesn't waver until the fat lady sings. He is treating these debates as a game, which is how I was raised: debates are good healthy sport, and it's often the most fun to defend a weak position, or one you don't even hold. The truth of Q etc is something "out there" - our opinions on it don't matter one iota in the scheme of things, so why not exercise our brains over them for the sake of something stimulating to do? Because people who already don't like us will laugh at us?

As for the grifting, that remains to be seen. Arkhaven is great so far, I enjoy it, but my boomer dad loves it (several of the comics are straight from his childhood) and is recommending it to everyone in his considerable social circle. Unauthorized is building new content far too slowly for the money I suspect they are making, unless you only want to watch Owen Benjamin and St Efan, but it is absolutely a steal to pay $10 for one month access and download everything that takes your fancy. Sure, plenty of it is available for free if you hunt around, but not all of it, and I am not a broke 20-year-old any more who has to pirate everything.

Yeah the issue with the Q thing is that it's a psyop. Pushing it distracted from the legitimate things we needed to focus on and further it's a copy of Operation Trust which was conducted by the Bolsheviks.

When you have so much pride that you can't admit your wrong and continue to convince others that you're not... You lose credibility and lead others astray.

So like i said, he's great for certain elements of social commentary... But after that debacle he's compromised his own credibility to the point that he isn't going to be taken seriously again for quite some time.

 

[Edek]

Yeah the issue with the Q thing is that it's a psyop. Pushing it distracted from the legitimate things we needed to focus on and further it's a copy of Operation Trust which was conducted by the Bolsheviks.

I agree, and not being American, I don't have a dog in the fight. I understand that it is not an intellectual game to Americans at home, and maybe Vox has been in Italy for so long that it all feels a bit distant to him as well.

When you have so much pride that you can't admit your wrong and continue to convince others that you're not... You lose credibility and lead others astray.

So like i said, he's great for certain elements of social commentary... But after that debacle he's compromised his own credibility to the point that he isn't going to be taken seriously again for quite some time.

He often makes statements like this "I don't know, you don't know, all we know is that the MSM is lying" , and then goes on to defend his position, so I didn't take it that way. Again, I have no skin in the game, so it's easy for me to treat it as a debate club event.

Man I miss debate club: one of the best parts of school, after pottery class with Miss McGowan.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

Programming is not Communication​

Bruce Charlton explains why there is no point in even listening to what the Establishment has to say:

This is why the Establishment are liars. They are not even trying to communicate information – let alone accurate information; They are always trying to affect our behaviour.
Their purpose is to get us to do what They want. All ‘communication’ is just a means to that end.
Real conversation treats ‘the other’ as a person with agency; however manipulation regards ‘the other’ as an object to be controlled. (So, for Them, agency is an obstacle to be overcome.)
They will of course mislead and lie to whatever extent they judge to be helpful to the goal of shaping us. Untruthfulness ranges from subtle distortions, through selection and exaggeration, all the way up to complete fabrication; as when a person with a false identity simulates fake emotions to tell a total lie – in order (successfully) to manipulate public opinion.
They do not regard themselves as purposive and habitual ‘liars’, because They are not even trying to tell the truth.
They are using ‘communications’ in order to manipulate other in ways They deem to be desirable – and truth simply doesn’t come into it.
The distinction between truth and untruth does not exist for Them, because their language is directed at manipulation, not communication. Lies, truths, or any mixture of them, are simply means to an end – and that end is manipulation.
This is also why one can neither debate nor even discuss things with anyone representing or serving the Establishment.
While you or I might be attempting to communicate information to Them, They are trying to change us. There is a total asymmetry of intent.
Which is why it is futile to engage with linguistic emanations from government, bureaucracy and the media. It is a category error. It is treating manipulations as if they were communications; it is treating intentional dishonesty as if it was an attempt at honesty.

Never confuse rhetoric – which is designed to emotionally manipulate – with dialectic. Both the mainstream news and government statements are not dialectic, but rather rhetoric disguised as pseudo-dialectic. And remember that there is neither truth nor falsehood in rhetoric, there is no meaningful information content whatsoever. It may point toward the truth, it may point away from the truth, but it cannot be the truth.

 

[Thomas More]

Programming is not Communication​

Bruce Charlton explains why there is no point in even listening to what the Establishment has to say:

Never confuse rhetoric – which is designed to emotionally manipulate – with dialectic. Both the mainstream news and government statements are not dialectic, but rather rhetoric disguised as pseudo-dialectic. And remember that there is neither truth nor falsehood in rhetoric, there is no meaningful information content whatsoever. It may point toward the truth, it may point away from the truth, but it cannot be the truth.

I agree with this. I have thought for some time we are being saturated with disinformation. We are bombarded with all viewpoints, to the point where it is bewildering. This is why people who seem to be on our side are serving as controlled opposition. For the elite who manipulate us, having some voices with a relatively higher truth content is just a way to increase the confusion factor.

Likewise, I see various trad or conservative pundits and bloggers debunking liberal talking points, or calling out inconsistancies or double standards. These trads or conservatives act as if the liberals will realize the flaws in their thinking and will see the light. However, the liberals are operating on a different level, and see all this dishonesty and illogic as an effective means of attacking and breaking down the existing order to usher in totalitarianism.

 

[Trewolla]

I first became aware of Vox Day many years ago when he was a writer for World Net Daily. I followed him on his blog afterwards. He makes some good points and some not so good points. For the past few years he has become increasingly confrontational. He's also spent a lot of effort latching onto a variety of e-celebs for some reason. His blog is very redundant. There's not much about his writing that interests me these days.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

I've been of a similar opinion for a long, long time now.

Whether Crowley, Lenin, Schwab, this pope or that king.

For 'Their' plans to remain largely intact after many generations; if not over many, many centuries.
It indicates a shadowy & sinister string puller.

No guesses as to whom.


Voxday :

The Evidence of Evil​

Bruce Charlton reasons his way to an identical conclusion that I have also reached before:

When we contemplate strategic evil, plans pursued over several or many generations; we must account for the fact of a leadership that is capable of such a thing. And, furthermore, a leadership that is also sufficiently powerful to impose their plan on a mass of humans who are dominantly-motivated by their own short-term gratifications.
When the plan is global and crosses many generations – there must have been a leadership of immense power, who are themselves immune to the normal constraints of human time – and a leadership for whom, personally, a decade is ‘the short-term’.
We are talking, in other words, of evil spirits, fallen angels, demons – those who are immortal spirits (i.e. without bodies, whose spirits persist forever); and therefore live on a timescale far greater than evil mere-mortal humans.
The many incredible and astonishing global policies and trends we perceive as of 2021 – the need for steady strategies toward evil ends that span multiple human lifespans – become instantly comprehensible if we assume that the leadership was demonic.
Once this perspective has been assimilated; clear demonic fingerprints can be seen all-over the plans of the Global Totalitarian Establishment.

This is why I have no doubt – no doubt whatsoever – about the truth of the core Christian perspective. Once an individual capable of thinking at the strategic level takes an honest and open-minded look at the world and its history, it is utterly impossible to reasonably conclude that evil does not exist.
Moreover, it’s entirely obvious that the material world is insufficient motivation and reward for those who are at, or very near, the top of it. There is quite clearly something – something non-material – that the Soroses and the Rockefellers and the Clintons and the Schwabs of the world are seeking which cannot be convincingly explained by mere hedonism, greed, or ethnicity.

 

[Parmesan]

Likewise, I see various trad or conservative pundits and bloggers debunking liberal talking points, or calling out inconsistancies or double standards. These trads or conservatives act as if the liberals will realize the flaws in their thinking and will see the light. However, the liberals are operating on a different level, and see all this dishonesty and illogic as an effective means of attacking and breaking down the existing order to usher in totalitarianism.

I was a typical young, “college educated”, liberal through all my 20s. Voted for Obama twice, Clinton in 2016. I was eventually turned away by all the hypocrisy and dishonesty on the left. I saw that most of what they said and did ran counter to my original idealistic visions of what liberalism was. If it weren’t for the internet giving me a way to explore and connect the conflicting ideas I was having, I doubt I would have ever red pilled the way I did. Afterall, at least for my generation, liberals were the cool ones, sex drugs and rock and roll. Conservatives were bald executives that wore khakis and polos to the golf course on weekends. Alot of Millenials still cling to those caricatures, they really have a hard time stomaching the idea that Democrats have become a bunch of pathetic corporate boot lickers and authoritarians.

Any free thinking liberal will quickly realize these constantly evolving goalposts and new rules coming from the left are completely absurd, but sometimes they need to hear it from others before they can get comfortable admitting their tribe doesn’t represent them. So, I don’t believe these public debates and call outs are a waste of time, but I do agree, there are many who simply don’t care about facts or logic, it’s about pushing their own brand of fascism and nothing more.

For now, I believe there are still many we can win over. Bill Maher is a good example. He was highly regarded on the left, but his whole “party of science” smugness is smacking him in the face right now. He is probably too old and invested to ever officially flip, but you can see he can’t defend them anymore. There are alot of libertarian-light liberals like Maher that are likely able to see the light at some point.