The Vox Day thread

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
I simultaneously agree both with Vox and other men who say "find a girl and make it happen, take a chance", and that the state of women might never have been this bad. So finding a decent girl is not easy.

Regarding the idea that Vox is a nationalist first and a Christian 2nd, I wouldn't want to make that statement. Vox's belief is that God created the nations, so yes, for white people, maintaining the nation which is an extension of family should be a priority and part of God's plan. I am not against interracial marriage, but it shouldn't be encouraged or be the norm.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
How many men do women sleep with by the time they're 25? How many abortions do women get? Why do women initiate more than 70% of divorces? Why do the younger generation of women cheat more than men? Why do women have a higher rate of cheating the more partners they've been with? Why do women prostitute themselves on social media? Why do women wear excessive makeup and clothes that leave little to the imagination?

Women are in a far worse state than slacker men. The truth is we live in a time where women no longer depend on men for protection since those needs are already met by the state, which leaves the only desirability men have left is looks which most men don't have. In the past there was at least a major war for the less desirable men to sacrifice themselves to since they at least had the purpose of defending their land if they couldn't find a mate or there was the post war era which was easier for all men since there were a lot more women than men around, but now there are too many lost and undesirable men having to turn to copes like porn or consumerism to fill the void of lacking purpose, and all people do from all sides is spit on them and blame them for societies ills. Basically everyone thinks Quasimodo is alone in the bell tower because hes a "gamma" and not because he looks like the polar opposite of Captain Phoebus.
All of these things are real, valid, and important. None of them, however, detract from the reality of hypocrisy and double-standards amongst very impure men or the fact that the marriage Sacrament is overseen by Christ Himself. An Orthodox marriage isn’t a secular one.
 

BasedBaker

Robin
Trad Catholic
Basically everyone thinks Quasimodo is alone in the bell tower because hes a "gamma" and not because he looks like the polar opposite of Captain Phoebus.
Quasimodo needs to lower his standards for superficial beauty. Every man wants a woman who is out of his league, but maybe settling for a woman that is in his league is the most prudent option. Captain Phoebus isn't stealing all the 5's and 6's out there.
 

Carolus

Sparrow
Protestant
Quasimodo needs to lower his standards for superficial beauty. Every man wants a woman who is out of his league, but maybe settling for a woman that is in his league is the most prudent option.
This is not how this works and it has been demonstrated in studies and aggregate data. There is not, and never has been, a 1:1 availability ratio between men and women. Many women prefer a variety of things to settling for man they do not respect.
1. Many women prefer to share alphas/men much higher in SMV as opposed to having their own man. This is becoming ever more common as we transition to neo-harems.
2. Many women prefer to remain single and casually date men far above themselves in SMV who will not commit to them instead of having their own man. This has spawned the 'mini-LTR' craze we witness now. Where I live in the USA, most women in the 5-8 range do this and mix in sugar daddies and FWB in-between their mini-LTR's.
3. Many women prefer to just be single, work, and spend time with family/watching netflix/whatever instead of settle for a man who they are not attracted to.

Right now in the USA if a man is a 7, he has options in the 5 range +/- 1 depending on location. Due to obesity in the USA, a 5 = fat. Men who are 5s themselves at looking at 3s. That means morbidly obese women with all the other behavior problems that come with obesity.

Captain Phoebus isn't stealing all the 5's and 6's out there.
Yes he is. Very fit, attractive blue collar/working class men dumpster dive constantly. I see fat chicks in the 4 range with 7-8s all the time. Once the fat chick has had an 8, she now will not settle for a 5. I thought this had all been figured out and settled debate years ago.

And before anyone starts telling me to lift weights, raise my SMV, and blah blah. I am merely an observer of all this. I am married. None of the modern dating woes effect me in the least.

EDIT: Vox says to 'lower your standards' all the time regarding this issue. This comes back to my point that he hasn't been to the USA in while. I don't know where you are, but just taking a walk around a city in the USA or going to a rural town will disabuse any rational person of this notion. Fat chicks, septum pricings, tattoo sleeves, revolting clothing, and vulgar behavior that would have seen people excluded from normal social circles in 1999 is now commonplace among American women.

Everyone has already lowered their standards. We are at the stage beyond that.
 
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The Prime Minister

Sparrow
Orthodox
Quasimodo needs to lower his standards for superficial beauty. Every man wants a woman who is out of his league, but maybe settling for a woman that is in his league is the most prudent option. Captain Phoebus isn't stealing all the 5's and 6's out there.
Every time guys mention how bad the dating dynamics are for men this lame excuse always is trotted out "JuST lOwEr yOuR stAnDaRDs aNd StOP goINg fOr sUpErmoDeLS!!!!".

I already addressed this in another comment of mine. It's women who want and are going for someone outside of their league, not men.

 
Quasimodo needs to lower his standards for superficial beauty. Every man wants a woman who is out of his league, but maybe settling for a woman that is in his league is the most prudent option. Captain Phoebus isn't stealing all the 5's and 6's out there.
Except women don't date their looks match, they date up. Average women and even fat chicks get skinny average looking or above guys, some are even chadlite, and the Quasimodo's are only left with trannies or porn while out of touch people tell them to stop going after supermodels. There is the real life Quasimodo known as Eggy, he famously hit up every single woman on dating apps no matter how ugly or fat, even drove cross country to meet a fat girl and still rejected by everyone, now hes gone prison gay and settled for a tranny.
 

Carolus

Sparrow
Protestant
Every time guys mention how bad the dating dynamics are for men this lame excuse always is trotted out "JuST lOwEr yOuR stAnDaRDs aNd StOP goINg fOr sUpErmoDeLS!!!!".

I already addressed this in another comment of mine. It's women who want and are going for someone outside of their league, not men.

Except women don't date their looks match, they date up. Average women and even fat chicks get skinny average looking or above guys, some are even chadlite, and the Quasimodo's are only left with trannies or porn while out of touch people tell them to stop going after supermodels. There is the real life Quasimodo known as Eggy, he famously hit up every single woman on dating apps no matter how ugly or fat, even drove cross country to meet a fat girl and still rejected by everyone, now hes gone prison gay and settled for a tranny.

Everyone who takes the other side of this is in pure denial or they can't apply abstract statistics to make a model that approximates reality. It is well established that 20% or less of men are getting 80% or more of the women. But they either can't extrapolate and realize what that statistic means or are unwilling to do so. It means that many women in the 4-5 range are getting with men in the 8 range at least once in awhile.

What person, male for female, who is getting with 8s somewhat often wants to settle down with a 4 or 5?

There is a huge supply and demand problem in the USA right now. There are many more decent men than decent women and no amount of standard lowering is going to fix that. As unfortunate as this is, it is merely a return to normalcy. The fact that from 1950-1990 most men could get married to a woman of similar social standing and looks was an anomaly.

This trend is just another metric showing the shrinking of the middle class and a return to serfdom. But a serfdom without a Christian aristocracy.

Fortunately, unless a man has a serious illness or something of the kind, there is still plenty he can do to find a wife. Hopefully things reverse course before this is no longer the case.
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
Every time guys mention how bad the dating dynamics are for men this lame excuse always is trotted out "JuST lOwEr yOuR stAnDaRDs aNd StOP goINg fOr sUpErmoDeLS!!!!".

I already addressed this in another comment of mine. It's women who want and are going for someone outside of their league, not men.

It's also worth noting that for a woman to achieve a higher standard, all she has to do is stop doing things. Whereas for a man to achieve a higher standard, he has to start doing things.

In terms of raw effort, it's easier for women to raise themselves to standards than it is for a man to lower his standards. Eve was made for Adam, so naturally, God made Eve's nature to tend toward pleasing Adam. Women today actively fight against that nature. They're expending energy to swim against the currents of their own nature. Welcome to the feminist clown world.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Women today actively fight against that nature.
Yes, and largely because the men around them are soyboys who don’t inspire an ounce of admiration of respect. The most obnoxious and aggressive feminists are still generally purring kittens for the dominant men in their lives. They can fight their nature, but they can’t escape it entirely.
 
Yes, and largely because the men around them are soyboys who don’t inspire an ounce of admiration of respect. The most obnoxious and aggressive feminists are still generally purring kittens for the dominant men in their lives. They can fight their nature, but they can’t escape it entirely.
Women reject soyboys because they are overwhelmingly below their looks standards. You never see chads or chadlites become male feminists to attract women, because their looks are more than enough. You also never see them develop as much of an interest in niche hobbies because they don't have to cope with being involuntarily celibate.

Feminists are filled with sexual frustration because the men in their corners are coping incels who think being a "nice guy feminist ally" will get them laid, but the truth is feminists feel entitled to chad and refuse to date their looks matches, and them not being as good looking as the women who get chad makes them so angry they become misandrists as a cope.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Other Christian
Gold Member

How the World Really Works

AC explains that the way the world actually works is not at all how the globalist establishment’s Narrative tells you it works.
I used to be purely mechanistic, and “scientific,” in quotes, because I was really just adopting what I was told by those I thought understood the world as a cause and effect mechanism. There were molecules, and physics, and rules, and everything was just sort of there, clicking away as a clockwork mechanism, which began with a chemical soup, accreted into “life,” which was just a sort of curious quirky self-perpetuating chemical reaction. And it all happened as they said, we were the first here, and it was all as it appeared. It was a fairly cohesive theory, as you could follow it from beginning to end and it made sense and looked good on the surface, given the lies we were told and what was hidden.
The Bible was some weird book of fairy tales, which people latched on to and claimed was true, but which was vastly inferior to understanding what I thought was a coherent story of life’s formation, evolution, and our present state.
As time went on, I saw things, from Bob seemingly getting taken over by some weird evil personality, to feeling the golden glow raining down from above which you see in old Renaissance paintings, right at the moment when I first took the fork which led to this path. That warm glow of love raining down on people in those paintings was not some artist’s concoction to simulate God’s love and grace. It is actually a real phenomenon I assume people were feeling back then as the Dark Ages passed and the chosen began to embark on their given roles. When I felt it there was someone else there who felt it too. I assume God knew as a mechanist, I would have written it off as some neural quirk inside my brain, but for a witness. So He gave me a witness. It is a weird, warm glow of happiness and love that clearly rains from above, and makes you feel different and uplifted, almost euphoric.
So I was realizing religion and God were real things, and there was something else going on in this world from my own experiences, even before I found out the evil leaders in this world were using occult worship to seek favor from some evil entity with the power to grant favors in this world. And now we find out there was some sort of interdimensional, technologically sophisticated entity which had been here long before humans, hidden from us, and which was making fun of our most advanced military tech and operations as it ran circles around them. It appears it can present itself to us in all sorts of ways to trick us as to its true nature. And you know it is in our government, because it has to have intel operations, and that is how intel operations roll.
Once you break through, and realize there are actually things like that out there which you don’t see in the text books, then you begin wondering, if there are these incredible things, with such power, so consequential, how is it they not only don’t talk about them in school or the text books, but they actually spend considerable time telling you there is nothing to it? It is like psychic abilities. I have no hard data either way on that one, but I am fucking haunted by the fact they tested all the GATE kids in our school, apparently were testing GATE kids nationally for psychic ability, and at the same time were lying to all of us, telling each class it was just a one-off thing they were doing once that year, for some study at a local university – as they were doing it to everyone for decades. Why lie?
And all along was the Bible, “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
More accurate than anything taught in school, in college, in our news media. It is the only thing not either clueless or outright lying to us. And the amazing thing is, it didn’t just come out and get revealed. It was there all along, and the establishment has been attacking it from Day One.
So yeah, I think the Bible is really the main text book now for how this world works.
I came to much the same conclusions for very different reasons, but the important thing to keep in mind is that even a fairly basic knowledge of what has passed for science for the last 30 years will rapidly convince anyone of sufficient intelligence that a) the scientific narrative is not only false, but impossible, b) science doesn’t offer rational explanations for the vast majority of things it purports to explain, and c) the scientific profession is actively engaged in hiding and/or explaining away a considerable amount of information that directly contradicts the scientific narrative.
And all of this is correctly anticipated and explained by the Biblical narrative, which describes a world that is fallen from perfection, filled with sin, and ruled by evil.
The Problem of Evil for the secular perspective should not be underrated. It is so fundamental a problem that it is almost impossible to examine it honestly and not reject the secular perspective entirely.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Other Christian
Gold Member

Those Who Rule the World

Roosh explains who is ruling the world on Satan’s behalf:
How can one explain the fact that conservative politicians who speak against transgendered children or vaccine mandates are ultimately controlled by the same bankers who are forcefully pushing those very things through other politicians? If you are a top banking family that controls both sides, the left and the right, you will grant the left an allowable set of behaviors that are opposed by the right and grant the right an allowable set of behaviors that are opposed by the left. If you did not do this, there would not be two sides but only one, and you would have to watch in fear as an organic opposition rose up from the people. Therefore, even if you are the banker who desperately wants to promote sodomy for the purpose of your depopulation agenda and everlasting rule, you must allow some of your pawns to mildly speak out against that agenda for the purpose of establishing a dialectic that ultimately you fully control to serve your long-term interests. Therefore, some “conservative” politicians are allowed to usher in toothless conservative policies under the guise of letting people think that power resides with them and their votes instead of a shadowy elite who increasingly desires to control every aspect of their lives.
Some leaders are allowed to go against cultural aspects of the globalist agenda, such as gay marriage, but they are not allowed to go against global agenda items such as climate change and pandemic response. Politicians cannot go against the big-ticket items of the bankers, and if they do, they will be quickly removed or assassinated. The ability to mildly oppose degenerate cultural norms outside of abortion is greatly limited. The biggest obstacles to family creation and higher birth rates are not abortion but women’s education, employment, and birth control, which all fall under the feminism umbrella, but conservative politicians dare not stand in opposition. Conservatism is what the liberals believed a few years ago, and never includes pre-feminist traditional views, which puts God, family, and nation above all other concerns, especially the emotional and material desires of women.
This is why one should never get too excited over the statements made by those who have been raised up to govern over us or shape our opinions. They are permissible, which means they have been corrupted.
And neither ideology nor identity will save you. Because there is no earthly salvation.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
It seems like RVF, Vox Day, Anonymous Conservative, and Unz Report are the core of our part of the interwebs. These are the sites I keep my eyes on.

I used to keep up with Instapundit, but he was on the wrong side when the 2020 election was stolen, so I stopped reading him. A lot of blogs from that sector of the internet are now on the wrong side. They support the current Republican party in spite of their stances on Trump's presidency, Covid, the stolen election, gays, and Ukraine. To me, the mainstream Republicans are all traitors, owned and controlled by the same people that own and control the Democratic party, and the other western nations. To the old conservative/libertarian right leaning blogosphere, the Republicans are still the true forces of good.

Our sector of the internet is pretty small, smaller than the old manosphere.
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
It seems like RVF, Vox Day, Anonymous Conservative, and Unz Report are the core of our part of the interwebs. These are the sites I keep my eyes on.

I used to keep up with Instapundit, but he was on the wrong side when the 2020 election was stolen, so I stopped reading him. A lot of blogs from that sector of the internet are now on the wrong side. They support the current Republican party in spite of their stances on Trump's presidency, Covid, the stolen election, gays, and Ukraine. To me, the mainstream Republicans are all traitors, owned and controlled by the same people that own and control the Democratic party, and the other western nations. To the old conservative/libertarian right leaning blogosphere, the Republicans are still the true forces of good.

Our sector of the internet is pretty small, smaller than the old manosphere.
I'm also fond of The Orthosphere. It's more Catholic, but the writers are definitely on our side and are quite pedigreed, some of them even being former university professors. They are good people there, I highly recommend making them part of your regular reading.
 

Tippy

Woodpecker
Other Christian
This is not how this works and it has been demonstrated in studies and aggregate data. There is not, and never has been, a 1:1 availability ratio between men and women. Many women prefer a variety of things to settling for man they do not respect.
1. Many women prefer to share alphas/men much higher in SMV as opposed to having their own man. This is becoming ever more common as we transition to neo-harems.
2. Many women prefer to remain single and casually date men far above themselves in SMV who will not commit to them instead of having their own man. This has spawned the 'mini-LTR' craze we witness now. Where I live in the USA, most women in the 5-8 range do this and mix in sugar daddies and FWB in-between their mini-LTR's.
3. Many women prefer to just be single, work, and spend time with family/watching netflix/whatever instead of settle for a man who they are not attracted to.

Right now in the USA if a man is a 7, he has options in the 5 range +/- 1 depending on location. Due to obesity in the USA, a 5 = fat. Men who are 5s themselves at looking at 3s. That means morbidly obese women with all the other behavior problems that come with obesity.


Yes he is. Very fit, attractive blue collar/working class men dumpster dive constantly. I see fat chicks in the 4 range with 7-8s all the time. Once the fat chick has had an 8, she now will not settle for a 5. I thought this had all been figured out and settled debate years ago.

And before anyone starts telling me to lift weights, raise my SMV, and blah blah. I am merely an observer of all this. I am married. None of the modern dating woes effect me in the least.

EDIT: Vox says to 'lower your standards' all the time regarding this issue. This comes back to my point that he hasn't been to the USA in while. I don't know where you are, but just taking a walk around a city in the USA or going to a rural town will disabuse any rational person of this notion. Fat chicks, septum pricings, tattoo sleeves, revolting clothing, and vulgar behavior that would have seen people excluded from normal social circles in 1999 is now commonplace among American women.

Everyone has already lowered their standards. We are at the stage beyond that.

Does Vox not live in the USA? Where is he then?
 

Tippy

Woodpecker
Other Christian
What do you think? In the respective Gab's thread you can find a hot debate about it.


So what's the risk? Many people don't take a risk by marrying. It all depends on the context. If you happen to meet a good, nice girl at work it isn't some huge risk to take the plunge and start a family with her. It makes sense.
 

Enoch

Hummingbird
So what's the risk? Many people don't take a risk by marrying. It all depends on the context. If you happen to meet a good, nice girl at work it isn't some huge risk to take the plunge and start a family with her. It makes sense.
If you meet a nice girl without tattoos, low notch count, low debt, great. Much more likely to meet a girl with LOTS of red flags. Vox's argument is to take the Hail Mary if the alternative is being a genetic dead end and dying alone. Tough call.
 
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