The War on Russia

The Ukrainian adventure is over. There will be no war. In fact there is much speculation on a US initiated rapprochement, starting with a possible Putin-Biden summit in a European capital somewhere this summer

Blinken and the infamous Victoria Nuland visited Kiev this week. They spoke in clear terms. The offensive is not to be taken place. They demanded a set of highly improbable 'anti-corruption' measures from the Ukraine too, which in reality can be translated too 'sell out your country to us and our guys in the Ukraine'.

Zelensky was apparantly shell-shocked. They dropped him like a poop stained diaper. Needless to say they dropped Ukraine too. Some say this might very well lead to the Ukrainian oligarchs re-turning to Russia. They too have been told to stick it where the sun doesn't shine

Couple of things that can be related to this.

* There is a power struggle in the Stolen Biden Administration. The neo-cons seemed to be in a strong position but this proves the opposite. Or they are diverting their attention

* There is talk of US-Russia rapprochement. The goal: massage Russia away from China

Most analysis don't take this seriously though, as the previous antics have resulted in a hostility in Russia never seen before. Rumours are leaking out that the Russians aren't really keen on a summit/rapprochement anyway.

* It seems as if the US is withdrawing from both the Middle East and Ukraine - for now. They seem to be focusing much more on the Western Pacific region now, where their true adversary lies.

* Has anyone noticed that Biden is refusing to put the blame of the Colonial Pipeline fiasco on Russia's doorstep? Everything is connected fellas.

* Ukraine will lose much of it value. The NordStream2 project will be completed in September, meaning that Ukraine will stop being a transit country. Likewise the oligarchs and foreigners (cough cough Burisma) can't use this as a way to siphon money anymore. Sebastopol is firmly in Russian hands


 

Easy_C

Peacock
Most analysis don't take this seriously though, as the previous antics have resulted in a hostility in Russia never seen before. Rumours are leaking out that the Russians aren't really keen on a summit/rapprochement anyway.
Why would they be? Would you rather side with a corrupt, rapidly declining empire or the new powerhouse that is rapidly ascendant and already leading in some key metrics?

These pipelines have been a big deal as well. The US is trying to disrupt Russia’s control over European energy and has been for a long time, but it’s an influence struggle the US has been badly losing due to incompetence, short sighted thinking, and allowing corruption which undermines the National interests (One major difference is Russia and China are extremely corrupt, but unlike USA generally do not tolerate corruption which benefits adversaries). We tried to build a competing pipeline in Syria, chose our golem poorly, and got spanked hard as we were outmaneuvered by Russia, China, and Iran. With the Ukraine situation Russia has successfully bought enough time to bring the new pipeline to near completion.
 
The EU Parliament has decided that 'regime change' in Russia is necessary. They will launch Russian language propaganda channels to achieve this

 

get2choppaaa

Ostrich
The EU Parliament has decided that 'regime change' in Russia is necessary. They will launch Russian language propaganda channels to achieve this

So how does this fit with the nordstream 2 issue. I thought that there was growing sympathy toward Russia from Germany (the real head of the EU)
 

unit414

Robin
The Ukrainian adventure is over. There will be no war. In fact there is much speculation on a US initiated rapprochement, starting with a possible Putin-Biden summit in a European capital somewhere this summer

Blinken and the infamous Victoria Nuland visited Kiev this week. They spoke in clear terms. The offensive is not to be taken place. They demanded a set of highly improbable 'anti-corruption' measures from the Ukraine too, which in reality can be translated too 'sell out your country to us and our guys in the Ukraine'.

Zelensky was apparantly shell-shocked. They dropped him like a poop stained diaper. Needless to say they dropped Ukraine too. Some say this might very well lead to the Ukrainian oligarchs re-turning to Russia. They too have been told to stick it where the sun doesn't shine
A meeting between (((Blinken))), (((Nuland-Kagan))), and (((Zelensky))). Nothing good can come of any meeting between a bunch of chosenites.
 

In a couple to hours the Putin-Biden Summit will start in Geneva. US Agenda was leaked a couple of days ago to the Washington Examiner by high ranking US officials

*During the G7 summit the Atlanticist nations decided to form their own Belt and Road Initiative called 'Build Back Better World'

*Is more of a slushfund to ensure that local elites in low and medium tier economies can be bribed to stay away from China. Ie. free money for the crooked local politicians and businessmen.

*Russia will be offered (tens of) billions of fake monopoli money - I meanUSD to put the relationship with China on the backburner

*Russia will also be offered a place in the G7 (which will then return to being the G8)

*According to the leak everything Russia cares about is not on the table, ie. Ukraine, sanctions, NATO's eastwards expansion etc.

*Meanwhile in public the Biden Administration continues to heckle Russia about hackers, Putin's homicidal nature, electoral interference etc.

*Mercouris's conclusion: typical US warship diplomacy. They are offering Russia a very meagre deal to break to all-but-in-name alliance with China without being able to compromise on anything real issues

If Russia declines (which they will), we'll be back to the same level of hostility we've seen during the last 7 years within months. The narrative is still thumped up whilst the US makes this one time covert 'rapprochement'

Declining Empire trying to act with the same kind of confidence of the last 30 years. Russia may try to buy as much time as possible and string along for 2 or even 12 months but new levels of hostility in the US-Russia relationship are inavoidable

*Also mentioned, Russia is preparing itself for the conflict. Many Russian officials have in the last weeks given interviews wherein they mention that Russia now expects to be disconnected from SWIFT at some point in the future
 
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dicknixon72

Pelican
Russia's only hope for survival in the future - since America chooses to be foolishly anti-Russian - is to reconstitute a Sino-Russian alliance. Russia has vast mineral wealth and engineering expertise that is comparable to American standards (better in defensive systems, equal in 5th generation fighter, mechanized combat, artillery, nuclear technology, submarine warfare, less-so in seaborn aviation, jet turbines, stealth, and persistent surveillance/drones) and far exceeds Chinese capabilities which are hamstrung by a severe lack of combat experience and barely-4th generation technology while China has the economics and population that Russia doesn't (Russia itself is a contracting economy with an aging, shrinking population generally uninterested in staying in Russia).
 
You gotta be kidding me.
No, I am not joking


Russia itself is a contracting economy with an aging, shrinking population generally uninterested in staying in Russia).

This is mostly projection I am afraid. Russia has its problems but they are dwarfed by the ones the USA faces
 


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Russian planes dropped bombs/ ships fired warning shots in the pathway of at least one British destroyer that had made its way to the Black Sea region and had entered Russian territorial waters near the Crimea.

This is symptomatic for Britain's behavior towards Russia. They are like Israel in the US-Iran relationship. Whenever there seems to be a (temporary) improvement, or mere dialogue, the British barge in and try to mess things up and nip any sort of (limited) improvement in the bud.
 
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dicknixon72

Pelican
For argument's sake, does anyone think a routine USCG patrol HC130 coming across a Russian Udaloy where these Xs are would raise any concerns?


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Garuda

Kingfisher
The whole Britain/Russia thing could be a continuation of things that began with politicking over Serbia. NATO went to Serbia for treaty negotiations and some military exercises.



At the same time, Serbia was involved in military exercises with Russia and Belarus.

 


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Russian planes dropped bombs/ ships fired warning shots in the pathway of at least one British destroyer that had made its way to the Black Sea region and had entered Russian territorial waters near the Crimea.

This is symptomatic for Britain's behavior towards Russia. They are like Israel in the US-Iran relationship. Whenever there seems to be a (temporary) improvement, or mere dialogue, the British barge in and try to mess things up and nip any sort of (limited) improvement in the bud.
The difference is that Israel is arguably in charge of the US's foreign policy.
Whereas Britain is the US' wimpy little cheerleader that provides an extra regimental size military force, and a pretence at international solidarity, to US operations. In general the Brits act tough and provocative but run behind the US's skirts for protection.

Whatever they do and say, they do it under the orders, or at the very least with the permission, of the US administration.
So if Britain is playing silly buggers in the Black Sea or Balkans, it is doing this under US orders I would bet.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
One thing that Russia and China (but especially Russia) are failing at big time is the opportunity to position themselves as defenders of all that is good in this world, rather than the please leave me alone and let me mine my gas/sell things countries that they are now.

The western world has gone completely insane. It has become a world of totalitarian regimes, censorship, hyperinflation, population replacement, warmongering, pedophilia, drugs and Satanism. There is not one redeeming feature of the western world left at this point, no values left: it's all turned into one big anal orgy.

The kicker is, most of the western world's own people disagree with these "values". They may be powerless to do something about it through "elections" due to the way the "democratic system" and propaganda police state are rigged against them, but they disagree. They would welcome anyone at this point, even a broke tranny on drugs (just check out Bruce Jenner), if they just offered solidarity with their disagreement. The western world's people are starving for leadership.

Yet at the same time, most of those people have an internalized dislike for Russia (because it's a "rival and dictatorship") and China (because it's a "rival and communist"). Why is that the case? Primarily because Russia and China are losing the information war due to not understanding their roles in it. They make a lot of noise, but it's just noise that cannot compete with current levels of brainwashing.

"USA yet again behaves like a cowboy, disregarding established international norms. We strongly protest and urge a return to international consensus that respects every country's internal policies BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"
- Typical Russian/Chinese news statement
Pathetic.
"USA is a failed country where rampaging mobs burn down entire cities, homosexuals dressed as women rape little schoolchildren and invaders stream across the border to terrorize the citizens, while its oligarchs drain over a trillion dollars out of its middle class every year. It's a failed country hopelessly infested with corruption and nepotism. We utterly reject its pathetic attempts to pontificate to the rest of the world, and hope that brave American citizens will wake up and save their homeland before it's too late."
- What a typical Russian/Chinese news statement should look like
Imagine if statements like these were being blasted from all Russian and Chinese diplomatic entities and news stations? It would automatically make any attempts at war against them impossible because the vast majority of western population would simply refuse to participate.

Instead, we are all left to draw our own conclusions.
 
One thing that Russia and China (but especially Russia) are failing at big time is the opportunity to position themselves as defenders of all that is good in this world, rather than the please leave me alone and let me mine my gas/sell things countries that they are now.

The western world has gone completely insane. It has become a world of totalitarian regimes, censorship, hyperinflation, population replacement, warmongering, pedophilia, drugs and Satanism. There is not one redeeming feature of the western world left at this point, no values left: it's all turned into one big anal orgy.

The kicker is, most of the western world's own people disagree with these "values". They may be powerless to do something about it through "elections" due to the way the "democratic system" and propaganda police state are rigged against them, but they disagree. They would welcome anyone at this point, even a broke tranny on drugs (just check out Bruce Jenner), if they just offered solidarity with their disagreement. The western world's people are starving for leadership.

Yet at the same time, most of those people have an internalized dislike for Russia (because it's a "rival and dictatorship") and China (because it's a "rival and communist"). Why is that the case? Primarily because Russia and China are losing the information war due to not understanding their roles in it. They make a lot of noise, but it's just noise that cannot compete with current levels of brainwashing.


Pathetic.

Imagine if statements like these were being blasted from all Russian and Chinese diplomatic entities and news stations? It would automatically make any attempts at war against them impossible because the vast majority of western population would simply refuse to participate.

Instead, we are all left to draw our own conclusions.
Fash The Nation, the best political/real world podcast by miles, has actually covered China and Russia in great detail. In fact their last free show, which came out last Saturday, covers China in very deep detail and how the degeneracy is really increasing in China as divorce and childless career women are skyrocketing.

And they cover the reason why this is true, by going into deep detail of banking/investment decisions that are giving the international bankers more and more control over their countries.

Russia isn't as bad off as China but at the same time Putin is far from an independent actor. He too has to answer to the people who allow him to loan money and keep his country afloat. All in all, the same people who run the USA, run Russia and China as well.

Give it a listen, it will clear up a lot of things that are hard to find.

https://therightstuff.biz/2021/06/20/ftn-416-rape-of-beijing/
 
The difference is that Israel is arguably in charge of the US's foreign policy.
Whereas Britain is the US' wimpy little cheerleader that provides an extra regimental size military force, and a pretence at international solidarity, to US operations. In general the Brits act tough and provocative but run behind the US's skirts for protection.

Whatever they do and say, they do it under the orders, or at the very least with the permission, of the US administration.
So if Britain is playing silly buggers in the Black Sea or Balkans, it is doing this under US orders I would bet.
Your argument is shaky as it is based on two incorrect presumptions. I sincerely question how much of the rapid changes in the world of geopolitics have been noted. Israel does not decide US foreign policy and Great Britain is not a independent foreign policy-less vassal state of the US.


Quick recap of the last 6 months of US foreign policy in the Middle East. Under the Stolen Biden Administration the US is now on the verge of re-signing the JCPOA, which is against Israel's wishes. It has withdrawn from Yemen, against Israel's wishes. The US is withdrawing from Afghanistan, against Israel's wishes. It has shut down its CIA shell companies in Syria and will thus likely withdraw from Syria, again against Israel's wishes.

On top of that Biden has been giving Netanyahu the silent treatment for the first 4 months of his term, which is basically unparalleled. The current attitude towards Israel is a continuation of DroneKing Obongo, who did the same thing and started his outreach to Iran and the many Ikwhani organization in the Mideast. The US couldn't be bothered to send its top diplomats to Israel during the Gaza conflict, and only started moving when low-key mediator Egypt was hinting at high-key Russian mediation.

I am leaving out several minor disagreements here for the sake of length.

There is very much a new reality cristalizing that most on here can't seem to grasp. I guess it has to do with ego-investment and being too deeply embedded in their own reductionistic truths.

The main takeaways. 1. The US is (partially) withdrawing from the Middle East. 2. Support for Israel will continue to dwindle amongst US population and its increasingly (Jewish) socialist manager class (anti-imperialist socialism has always been the archenemy of Zionism). These liberal Jews (supported by the Black-Brown alliance) will at some point throw Israel in the dustbin. 3. As a result Israel will start pivoting away from the US and will (try to) align itself with other regional powers like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Russia and China. .


On the US-UK relation,

In general the warmongerers greatly overlap as the the US neo-cons and UK neo-cons are cut from the same cloth - namely outdated Trotskyists that were reformed into supporting imperialist neo-con/neo-lib ideals.

The differences are 1. the amount of pushback there is against these currents, and 2. the geographical realities of being an ocean apart.

About the cause of the Russia hatred we can debate. In my opinion the entire British London based political class has been taken over by foaming-at-the-mouth 'tards that genuinely don't seem to understand that Great Britain is very much a has-been country. In the case of Russia their hatred probably lies in the events of the 00s, when Putin kicked out most of their crooks, 'insitutes' and 'NGOs'. The British political class, who like then, are now very much involved in the looting of Ukraine (namely money laundering on a gigantic scale, racketeering, fanning intrigues and all sorts of other antics that cannot see the day of light) still haven't gotten over this.

Due to this butthurt, and due to the fact that they share the same continent, the Brits are still invested in Ukraine. The US is clearly not. The US neo-cons very much want to, but appear to have been sidelined. They US has OKed the NS2 - against Britain's wishes. They have told Zelensky that NATO membership will not happen - against Britain's wishes. They have had the Geneva summit with Putin, which the British press largely ignored as apparantly they couldn't stomach it. The US has started canceling weapons transfers to the Ukraine (officially they are put on hold), which the Brits apparently do not agree on. Etc. Etc.

Everything is in flux as we have entered very unstable times. Tectonic shifts in my opinion, a true paradigm shift. However at some moments of calm the dust settles and the sky clears up. These weeks (possibly months) are such a moment.

For now the US' course is quite clear. They are attempting to limit their imperial overstretch by withdrawing from theaters that have been labeled as of second tier importance. Ukraine/the Black Sea region is one of those. It's too costly, too dangerous and there is simply not enough to gain. The Brits hate it, and yesterday they staged an incredibly dangerous (I want to strongly emphasize this) provocation near Russia's borders.

The Americans were, this is speculation of course, furious. I have heard several analysts saying that they are getting notes that high ranking staff members in the Biden Administration (read Blinken and Sullivan) were hot under the collar at what happened yesterday.


As for the future of Ukraine, it remains unsure. US foreign policy has been a complete mess ever since the Senile Fool was rigged into office, and there seems to be a serious power struggle ongoing behind the scenes.

I would not rule out a return of the neocon faction (who might have been informed about yesterday's attempt) into the limelight. If that happens Ukraine might flare up again. I actually expect this to happen but the when is unsure.

As for the US-UK spat (behind the scenes), nothing will come from it. The Anglo nations back each other through thick and thin. Unlike the Slavs for instance, who have been fighting each other for centuries.
 
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Fash The Nation, the best political/real world podcast by miles, has actually covered China and Russia in great detail. In fact their last free show, which came out last Saturday, covers China in very deep detail and how the degeneracy is really increasing in China as divorce and childless career women are skyrocketing.

And they cover the reason why this is true, by going into deep detail of banking/investment decisions that are giving the international bankers more and more control over their countries.

Russia isn't as bad off as China but at the same time Putin is far from an independent actor. He too has to answer to the people who allow him to loan money and keep his country afloat. All in all, the same people who run the USA, run Russia and China as well.

Give it a listen, it will clear up a lot of things that are hard to find.

https://therightstuff.biz/2021/06/20/ftn-416-rape-of-beijing/
China is a blind spot for many on this forum, and the West in general. This is a result of the secretive nature of the CCP, the near impossible to comprehend Chinese mentality/culture and of course the language barrier.

Many who visit China will never be able to scratch below the surface. Some live in China for years and never get to comprehend the culture.

So I don't blame anyone for being misinformed about China. People are just not grounded. They don't have the knowledge, comprehension and experience. As a result MISinformation seeps through easily as many don't have the handles to distinguish fact from fiction.

I have lived in China for 5 years, speak the language to some extent and have tried to immerse myself. I never lived in any foreign bubble, have made thousand of business contacts, have more than a dozen Chinese friends, know several CCP members - some of them quite well. However, I consider myself a toddler when it comes to China. China is unlike any other country in the world. The Chinese might as well be aliens because that's how different their culture and mentality is from ours.

This is also the reason why I in general do not get into discussions about this topic, unless it relates to geopolitics/history. I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to give proper analysis on social phenomena

However, there is something that pisses me off to no extend. And that is clueless clowns masquerading as experts.

Two dudes that don't speak the language have probably never lived there or even been there, with no knowledge of the culture/mentality, without any inside information, without any connections, without any first hand experience sitting somewhere in a basement in bumfuck rural Kentucky talking about China as if they are an authority on the matter. It's absolutely ridiculous.

For some reason this podcast now gets spam-plugged in every (often non-related) thread. To the person doing this: Stop doing this. This thread is about the geopolitical realities concerning Russia. If you want to do enlarge the audience just make your own podcast related thread. Simple as.

Some of the things said about China in other threads are laughable. Straight up. Shows such a binary, US-centered viewpoint, and such a very narrow comprehension of the culture and country.

Russia isn't as bad off as China but at the same time Putin is far from an independent actor. He too has to answer to the people who allow him to loan money and keep his country afloat. All in all, the same people who run the USA, run Russia and China as well.

The one ring that rules them all. I wanted to pick this point out to make my point clear.

BULL. SHIT.

In countries like China and Russia power rules money, instead of the other way around. It is a reality that is very easily observable, and that Americans just don't see to able to grasp. It might have something to do with the merchant-related nature of that country, and the lack of strong leadership.
 
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