The War on Russia

[Mr Freedom]

4 Ukrainian Soldiers died in a mortar attack in the Donbass front. President Zelenskiy is holding emergency contacts with the French & German leaders.

Meanwhile Russia are sending more military vehicles into Crimea whilst the Ukrainians are running combined arms drills in nearby Kherson.

I have a feeling this war is going to become hot again. Whilst Russia has fully captured Crimea and controlled the peninsula for over 7 years now they are still in an unattainable position as the water situation is dire as Ukraine blocked the North Crimea Waterway ever since the conflict erupted back in 2014. Also to the West of Crimea the sea is controlled by Ukrainian Navy which adds to further complications as the adversaries is surrounding Russian excalve on it's Northern and Western Sides.

Donbass cities are also way too close to the frontline which means that Russia are in a position in which they will be forced to intervene directly. The Minsk format was never meant to be lasting peace and was just buying time for both sides.

The Ukrainians feel rather confident now ever since they purchased Javelin ATGM's & Turkish Bayraktar drones. I think the point of no return has been passed and it's all or nothing for both sides. In a next conflict Ukraine's aim will be to completely launch military takeover of Crimea and Russian controlled Donbass whilst Russia's aim has to be denying Ukraine sea access and connect Donbass to Odessa by land and freeing up the North Crimea Waterway.

 

[Foolsgo1d]

This is China steering the US and NATO to hurt Russia so they become weaker. China wants Russian land.

But dont underestimate the stupidity and greed of the US and NATO countries.

 

[Mr Freedom]

This is China steering the US and NATO to hurt Russia so they become weaker. China wants Russian land.

But dont underestimate the stupidity and greed of the US and NATO countries.

Absolute Rubbish

Whilst China & Russia may not agree on everything they both want a rules based international order that protects the geo-strategic interests of both nations. You won't see PLA occupying European cities or Russian Troops in Baltimore. Russia wants control of territory that is in it's sphere of influence like Eastern Europe, Kavkaz, Central Asia etc.. and China theirs (Xinyang, Tibet, SE Asia, Himalaya, South China Sea, Taiwan, Korea etc..)

 

[get2choppaaa]

4 Ukrainian Soldiers died in a mortar attack in the Donbass front. President Zelenskiy is holding emergency contacts with the French & German leaders.

Meanwhile Russia are sending more military vehicles into Crimea whilst the Ukrainians are running combined arms drills in nearby Kherson.

I have a feeling this war is going to become hot again. Whilst Russia has fully captured Crimea and controlled the peninsula for over 7 years now they are still in an unattainable position as the water situation is dire as Ukraine blocked the North Crimea Waterway ever since the conflict erupted back in 2014. Also to the West of Crimea the sea is controlled by Ukrainian Navy which adds to further complications as the adversaries is surrounding Russian excalve on it's Northern and Western Sides.

Donbass cities are also way too close to the frontline which means that Russia are in a position in which they will be forced to intervene directly. The Minsk format was never meant to be lasting peace and was just buying time for both sides.

The Ukrainians feel rather confident now ever since they purchased Javelin ATGM's & Turkish Bayraktar drones. I think the point of no return has been passed and it's all or nothing for both sides. In a next conflict Ukraine's aim will be to completely launch military takeover of Crimea and Russian controlled Donbass whilst Russia's aim has to be denying Ukraine sea access and connect Donbass to Odessa by land and freeing up the North Crimea Waterway.

Things are going to get rather interesting now that there are Javelins on the Ukrainian side.

 

[Oberrheiner]

China wants Russian land.

Well that's not rubbish at all, china rents much russian land already, some years ago putin needed to intervene to stop them from cutting down all the trees there.

With over a billion people and strong economic growth lebensraum quickly becomes a problem you know .. and russian is mostly empty, especially in this area, so connect the dots.

Things are going to get rather interesting now that there are Javelins on the Ukrainian side.

Yeah missiles, also drones which were beta-tested on the armenians, will now be used on the civilian population of the donbass and crimea.
Plus recurrent attacks on the water supply (cutting, poisoning ..), great stuff for sure.

That interesting of yours needs at least three pairs of quotes - it's gonna be hell again for those poor people.
Honestly, fuck all this shit.

 

[La Águila Negra]

Half of China is equally empty so that's not an argument

Resources might be an issue but they'll surely work that out

Russia and China are at best allies of convenience (who have very little in common) but for now the shared threat posed by the NWO Empire is a very strong glue that will hold these two together for at least the next 10/15 years

What's also to be mentioned is that the Ukraine + their Western backers are in a much worse state than portrayed here. The Ukraine had turned into a failed state, is Broke with a capital B, has seen much of its population leave in the last 7 years, is dependent on Russian gas, has seen its (military) infrastructure decay since the break up of the USSR and its forces are made up of conscripts

Even if the US would get involved with all its weight it would be on the back foot regarding all metrics, with the main one being operational mobility. Fighting a war on the other side of the planet is something you can pull off against ragtag militias, but not against the second strongest military

There also won't be a military operation in Crimea. Attacking Russian forces directly would lead to a 2008 Georgian style defeat

The Donbass might happen, but on the other hand, they said that in 2016 and 2018 too. However, if Imposter Biden's handlers give the go sign, I believe it will happen. Zelensky seems eager too, it's a nice distraction

The Ukrainians, despite everything listed above, outnumber the LDPR defense forces by a significant number. It remains to be seen whether the LDPR defense forces will be able to counter the drones. The LDPR statelets are also lacking strategic depth, Donetsk is right on the frontline.

If the Ukrainians breach the defenses Russia will have no other option then to intervene, and establish the borders of Novorossiya* further away from the current front lines (ie. A new 'landgrab'). Some say that's NATO's aim all along, because frankly said there are very few military experts that see this ending well for Ukraine.

The thousands of dead Ukrainians will be seen as collateral damage and nothing to lose any sleep over

* There is plenty of chatter on the fact that Putin doesn't want the LDPR to incorporate too much Ukrainian territory (like the port city of Mariupol for instance) for that would make them self sufficient and therefor independent. He needs them weak, small and independent as a bargaining chip/blockade against any Ukrainian NATO aspirations (in the case of an independent Novorossiya the Ukrainian leftover state could join NATO)

 

[Oberrheiner]

The thousands of dead Ukrainians will be seen as collateral damage and nothing to lose any sleep over

Of course nobody will care, they're both white and christian.

But god forbid muhamad or bubakar drown while crossing the sea away from the shithole their ancestors created which has nothing left to rape or loot anymore.

 

[Foolsgo1d]

Absolute Rubbish

Whilst China & Russia may not agree on everything they both want a rules based international order that protects the geo-strategic interests of both nations. You won't see PLA occupying European cities or Russian Troops in Baltimore. Russia wants control of territory that is in it's sphere of influence like Eastern Europe, Kavkaz, Central Asia etc.. and China theirs (Xinyang, Tibet, SE Asia, Himalaya, South China Sea, Taiwan, Korea etc..)

Rubbish huh?

China believes in China, nobody else. Russia aligns with its ideals at the moment just as the US, UK and EU did prior to it having the clout to tell everybody where to shove it.

Who stands to benefit from US, NATO and Russia duking it out over Ukraine? In case you haven't been paying attention the British and Americans have been supplying and re-fitting Ukrainian forces for months, prepping the ground to stick it to Russia.

American and British flagged ships delivering military supplies and flying spy planes in the area constantly and all the while we get this "Muh Russia" propaganda and more economic sanctions on Russia and its individuals.

Whereas in reality the Chinese Reds have infiltrated all of the US government, including congress, the EU and UK and the WH. They have taken Africa and some parts of Asia with massive bribes, initiated the one belt road project and on top of that they are pumping out planes, tanks, aircraft and god knows what else.

And before you go into why the US forces would never lose in a kinetic war, they have already lost.

Diversity, driving out patriotic Americans and replacing them with communist turncoats who get butthurt over the most simple of things. Transsexuals being promoted, the promotion of women into front line roles and god forbid..trannies as well.

I've seen plenty of anti-white training thats doing the rounds which are compulsory and they all end in witch hunts for (white) men who dont toe the line.

China and Russia are laughing at the US and NATO.


I wonder how well the US can defend Taiwan, Japan, NZ and Aus if Russia takes them on in Ukraine and Iran decides to play for keeps? Who will take those aforementioned places do you think?

And lets not forget the strong nationalism within Chinese communities. For the Chinese it is them or nobody. I dont see Brits, Americans, Aussies, Kiwis and Eurotrash coming together all over the planet to act as one on a number of issues. The last time that happened a world war was about. All the Chinese have to do is follow their dear leader to stick it to outsiders - aka, non-Chinese.

 

[Easy_C]

Rubbish huh?

China believes in China, nobody else. Russia aligns with its ideals at the moment just as the US, UK and EU did prior to it having the clout to tell everybody where to shove it.

Who stands to benefit from US, NATO and Russia duking it out over Ukraine? In case you haven't been paying attention the British and Americans have been supplying and re-fitting Ukrainian forces for months, prepping the ground to stick it to Russia.

I think you’re forgetting one key aspect of this: let’s look not at the hypothetical but strictly at actual events.

After the Obama admin started pushing on Russia, the Russians and Chinese have begun annual joint military exercises.

They also are in the process of integrating their missile defense systems and potentially planning joint development of weapons systems. Financially China and Russia are collaborating on developing alternatives to SWIFT and other Western controlled settlement and clearing systems.

We can hypothesize all day on what may or may not happen but all available evidence indicates a current state of active collaboration and alliance between China and Russia militarily. It’s entirely possible that the same thing that happened to the US Russian alliance after world war 2 could happen to them but that would be after our military is dealt with.

 

[Papaya]

The US of A was the first far flung empire in history created via primarily economic and cultural influence* rather than military conquest geographically.

China has improved on that model and is in full deployment to supplant the US of A as the global hegemony. Anyone that denies this is either ignorant or delusional


*Read "An Empire of Wealth: The Epic History of American Economic Power " by John Steele Gordon

Great book but in light of what is being done to the USA now it might make you angry

 

[La Águila Negra]

The US of A was the first far flung empire in history created via primarily economic and cultural influence* rather than military conquest geographically.

China has improved on that model and is in full deployment to supplant the US of A as the global hegemony. Anyone that denies this is either ignorant or delusional


*Read "An Empire of Wealth: The Epic History of American Economic Power " by John Steele Gordon

Great book but in light of what is being done to the USA now it might make you angry

The US Empire maintains an international racketeering scheme in the form of hundreds of occupational forces/military bases worldwide, a huge bloated military that informally accounts for a whopping 6 percent of its GDP, the not-so-veiled threat of economic sanctions (implemented through military intimidation) and of course military intervention if nothing else works.

Mao Zedong was right when he said that political power (and by extension economic power) grows out of the barrel of a gun. Whoever has an army has power, for war settles everything.

 

[Oberrheiner]

The US of A was the first far flung empire in history created via primarily economic and cultural influence* rather than military conquest geographically.

Right ..

List of wars involving the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Foolsgo1d]

I think you’re forgetting one key aspect of this: let’s look not at the hypothetical but strictly at actual events.

After the Obama admin started pushing on Russia, the Russians and Chinese have begun annual joint military exercises.

They also are in the process of integrating their missile defense systems and potentially planning joint development of weapons systems. Financially China and Russia are collaborating on developing alternatives to SWIFT and other Western controlled settlement and clearing systems.

We can hypothesize all day on what may or may not happen but all available evidence indicates a current state of active collaboration and alliance between China and Russia militarily. It’s entirely possible that the same thing that happened to the US Russian alliance after world war 2 could happen to them but that would be after our military is dealt with.

You just proved my point.

They are coordinating with each other as would a king giving one of his daughters to his powerful neighbour in ages gone by.

China has infiltrated the West to such an extent that they are capable of pushing a fake Russian narrative to hurt Russia.

 

[Easy_C]

Your “point” is framed as a self reinforcing thing where any dissent from it is seen as proof of it being true.

How on earth does this hurt Russia? What would hurt Russia the most is being perceived as completely isolated and alone because that means they’re perceived as powerless, and in politics perception is reality to some extent.

 

[3stripedlakeshadow]

You just proved my point.

They are coordinating with each other as would a king giving one of his daughters to his powerful neighbour in ages gone by.

China has infiltrated the West to such an extent that they are capable of pushing a fake Russian narrative to hurt Russia.

Russia's alliance with China is like Russia's alliance with Iran: with purpose. Russia allies with Iran, to keep certain middle-eastern "democracies" from subverting them, China? Right now, China is like Nazi Germany, they've rebuilt their manufacturing capability and it would be foolish not to ally, given their treatment by America and Western elites.

 

[Easy_C]

Yep.

A lot of this was set in motion by insanely stupid Obama era policy. By trying to strong arm too many entities at once they have instead created a strong incentive for Iran, China, Russia, Brazil, and others to co-operate.

Here’s one significant aspect: this is just the first google result and they’ve done more since but these nations are rapidly working towards setting up a parallel financial infrastructure.

Russia says BRICS nations favour idea of common payment system

Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, a group of major emerging economies known as BRICS, back the idea of developing a common payment system, a Russian official said on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Easy_C]

From the private site.

 

[La Águila Negra]

Couple of articles.

Foreign volunteers (mostly Russians of course) are mobilising again on the side of the LDPR.

Likewise I have seen reports that the militias are sent to the frontline again too in Ukraine. The are Pravdy Sektor (Right Sector), the Azov Batallion and many smaller ones. These militias too have many foreigners, mostly neo-nazi types from all over Europe.

Serbian sniper who returned to fight in the DPR spoke about the collection of volunteers

Serbian sniper Dejan Beric (known by his callsign Deki) returned to fight on the side of the self-proclaimed DPR. In an interview with Russian military reporter Aleksandr Sladkov, available on the journalist's YouTube channel Sladkov Plus, he admitted that due to the aggravation of the situation on the front line, many volunteers are going to Donetsk.

According to Berich, he is currently drawing up all the necessary documents for enrollment in the People's Militia Corps of the Donetsk People's Republic. “I have a passport of a citizen of the DPR - this is not just a piece of paper, it is an obligation. This is my republic - I have to defend it, ”he shared the details.

The Serb assumed that in the event of an offensive, the number of casualties would be huge, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) became stronger, but, as he stressed, the soldiers of the DPR army are ready to fight back.

On March 27, the first prime minister of the DPR and ex-adviser to the head of the self-proclaimed republic, Alexander Zakharchenko, Alexander Borodai, announced that the Union of Donbass Volunteers was preparing to escalate the conflict in eastern Ukraine. According to him, in the event of the start of large-scale hostilities in the Donbass and the offensive of the Ukrainian army, "Russian volunteers will come."

Russian-Ukrainian relations deteriorated sharply after the entry of Crimea into the Russian Federation in March 2014 and the outbreak of conflict in southeastern Ukraine in April of the same year. The self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR) declared their independence. The Ukrainian leadership tried to return them by force, but to no avail. Kiev accuses Moscow of armed aggression and occupation of Crimea and certain regions of Donbass. The Russian side does not consider itself a party to the conflict and rejects claims against it.

Ukraine is now Europe's poorest country in terms of GDP per capita, ahead of powerhouses like Moldova, Albania and Armenia.

The fossil fuels mentioned in this article are all in the Donbass. Ukraine's charcoal/carbon reserves are in the Donbass

The 'oil' reserves are in reality shale oil, these reserves are in the Donbass too.

Ukraine is now Europe’s poorest country (per capita), having overtaken the long-time leader Moldova in 2018. A country whose abundant coal reserves have spurred its transformation into the Soviet Union’s leading industrial and agricultural powerhouse has, over the course of the last 30 years, become Europe’s chronically underachieving appendage. The state of things in Ukraine’s energy sector reflects that of the economy at large – outdated infrastructure, lack of long-term investment and an unwavering penchant for poor management have created a triple whammy that Kyiv has so far been unable to resolve. At the same time, its eastern neighbor Russia has tangibly contributed to the chaos and confusion and it is against the background of a still-raging conflict in Donbas that the Ukrainian authorities are trying to resuscitate their oil and gas production.
Struggling with gradually declining gas production from mature fields that were discovered back in the Soviet era of the 1960-1970s, Ukraine sees its national oil and gas company Naftogaz as the conduit towards higher domestic output and, consequently, increased energy security. Traditionally, Naftogaz would control almost four-fifths of Ukrainian gas production – this is certainly true for the average of the 2010s though it needs to be noted that in 2010 Naftogaz produced 89% of Ukraine’s aggregate compared to 76% in 2020. The main reason for this trend stems from the maturity of Naftogaz’s producing assets, the Shebelinskoye and Krestishenskoye fields’ depletion ratio had risen to 90% by the end of the decade, whilst there seem to be no new gas assets of equivalent quantity coming up in the pipeline.

More after the link

Can Oil And Gas Save Europe’s Poorest Country? | OilPrice.com

After suffering through a disastrous decade in which it became the poorest country in Europe, Ukraine is now hoping that a boost in oil and gas production can bring the country back from the brink

oilprice.com

France offers Ukraine Rafale fighter jets. These will be paid by a 1.5 billion USD loan - which in reality will be a gift as the Ukrainians are broke

These Rafale fighters will be delivered in mid 2021 and are a big upgrade over their current stock

France offers Ukraine Rafale fighters France offers Ukraine the supply of Dassault Rafale fighters to replace obsolete Soviet-made fighters. It is reported that negotiations on the sale of Rafale fighters to Ukraine should become the "main topic" of the agenda of the planned visit of French President Emanuel Macron to Kiev in the first half of 2021.

“The French President believes in Rafale's chances of winning in this former stronghold of Russian industry. Paris has an advantage: its commercial system already exists to support such a contract, ”Intelligence Online reports. According to the resource, the French government is ready to provide state guarantees for a loan in the amount of 85% of the contract value, for which the French Ministry of Finance has allegedly already reserved 1.5 billion euros.

At the first stage, we are talking about the possibility of selling to Ukraine from 6 to 12 Rafale aircraft, which corresponds to the parameters of the previously approved by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in 2020, a long-term plan for the development of the Air Force of Ukraine until 2035, "Visits of the Power Forces 2035" ("Vision of the Air Force 2035"). The central part of the plan is to replace the MiG-29, Su-27, Su-24M, Su-25, Su-24MR aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force with a single multi-role fighter of the 4 ++ generation.

According to this plan, within the framework of its first preparatory stage (which will last until 2025), a tender should be held in 2021-2022 and a contract signed for the purchase of a multi-role fighter by Ukraine, limited supplies of which (a total of up to 6-12 aircraft) should begin in 2023-2025 for the beginning of trial operation, studying the forms and methods of application and organizing the training of personnel.

The main goal of the second stage (executive, by 2030) is the transition to the planned re-equipment of tactical aviation, which will stop the degradation of the capabilities of the Air Force of Ukraine. Regular supplies of new military aviation equipment (8-12 multipurpose fighters - an estimated total of up to 30-36 vehicles) should be established with the simultaneous withdrawal of obsolete models from combat strength. It is planned that by 2030 at least two Ukrainian aviation brigades of tactical aviation should be completely re-equipped with new aircraft and receive full operational capabilities.

High-ranking representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine so far have named Boeing F-15 (F-15EX), Lockheed Martin F-16V and Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen NG fighters as possible candidates for the purchase. However, "Intelligence Online", citing insider sources, says that "it is possible that the Ukrainian tender will lead to a duel" between the Dassault Rafale aircraft and the American Boeing F / A-18E / F Super Hornet.

The publication claims that in promoting Rafale in Ukraine "France can count on the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov", who has a reputation as a pro-French lobbyist.

Франция предлагает Украине истребители Rafale

Как сообщает французское сетевое издание Intelligence Online , Франция предлагает Украине поставку истребителей Dassault Rafale для замены устаревших истребителей советского производства. Сообщается, что переговоры о продаже Украине истребителей Rafale должны стать главной…

bmpd.livejournal.com

 

[Oberrheiner]

These militias too have many foreigners, mostly neo-nazi types from all over Europe.

That I have seen, and still don't understand the reasoning behind it.

 

[La Águila Negra]

US European Command raises its level to 'possibly imminent' conflict



Russian wargames near the border



Long thread on the Russian military build up along the Ukrainian border.

I believe that this is too make the Ukrainians (or should I say US/NATO) back down.

That I have seen, and still don't understand the reasoning behind it.

As a disclaimer, this is all second hand info and should therefor be taken with a grain of salt. It's usually not a good idea to get into these type of explanations as an outsider as the average Ukrainian/Russian can get really upset about these types of discussions

Anyway, from what I have read and heard:

Nationalist ideology and historical grievances (like the Holodomor) are exploited by the Bandera-ism inspired political parties like Svoboda and the many militias.

There is the representation of history as Russian/Soviet oppression of Ukrainians. As a result some elements of Ukrainian society sympathise with their anti-communist past - a past that also included a pro-nazi government in WW2 and many Ukrainians fighting the Soviets in 41-45

The racial element is the belief that Russians are Asiatic mongoloids who for a significant part are non-European, as opposed to the pure Ukrainians

The territorial element relates to the belief that Ukraine used to be much bigger before the Soviets started cleansing Ukrainians

Many went for the thrill, or to gain combat experience

Some documentaries (Pro Ukrainian and with a horrible gay Vice journalist)






Back in 2014 the globohomo hand was much less visible on the Ukrainian side, and many European neo-nazi types supported the reconquista. It will be interesting to see whether they can still me moved now that Ukraine is flying the rainbow flag on all its national monuments, is riddled with NATO activity and has a government that has become a lapdog of the international banksters.

My guess is that there will be much less enthusiasm