The War on Russia

godfather dust

Hummingbird
Gold Member
If you are in America and support Russia you have been subverted to cheer for your own destruction. I posted a thread.

Just because it seems like our enemies hate Russia doesn't mean they do. Reverse psychology. If the establishment are puppets/allies of China they can't simultaneously be for the destruction of Russia. Propagandists are VERY good at their job.

The reason our military is being intentionally destroyed is so we can not respond to the Belt and Road Initiative cutting us out of the world economy.

Keep in mind the vast majority of our industrial capacity has been offshored and if other countries won't accept our money it won't be a joke, especially when most of the population has been ideologically subverted to maximize chaos.
 
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Foolsgo1d

Peacock
Ukraine will get mopped up and Russia is playing for keeps. Any attempt at assisting Kiev in any serious manner will lead to escalation.

American and British spook planes and logistic supplies, training and cheerleading will not lead to a big confrontation, actual assets attacking Russians on the ground and the air and sea will however.

The sheer amount of Russian hardware and manpower moving into position is not a bluff to take lightly. I could see them take all the land to the Dnieper River and use it as a natural barrier.

Perhaps the western most tip of the National Park "Biloberezhia Sviatoslava" to ensure security there and the entire coast line, leaving the entire area in control of Russia which would be ideal for strategic advantage.

Belarus will also be involved, providing a nice bridge into the Northern areas should they go that route but that is very close to Kiev and might not figure into Russias immediate plans. This is simply a land grab to prevent NATO a chance to get close to Russia.

Kiev is not in the crosshairs here I believe but if the leadership there wants to get uppity then I am sure a few cruise missiles would do the trick.

I have followed all of this for over a month and seeing the steady drip-drip-drip of development and narrative building is very predictable.

Russia = bad.
Kiev and US/Britain = good.

Its very unfortunate because the only people who are dying and will continue to die are poor white Ukrainians and Russians. This is nothing but a blood sacrifice by (((you know who))) and should be treated as such.

I hope Russia tells Britain and the US where to go but a real option for the USA and EU would be to cancel Russia out of SWIFT. I'm not too sure how they'd handle that but they may well be falling for the trap to initiate it.
 

Belgrano

Ostrich
Gold Member

Putin poised to set out vision for future in dramatic speech, in what allies say will be ‘world’s most important political event’


Russian President Vladimir Putin is reportedly preparing to give a major address in which he will fire the starting pistol on a “new era” and set out a different vision for the future of his country as the Covid-19 pandemic wanes.

The chairwoman of the Russian Senate, Valentina Matvienko, told reporters on Tuesday that the speech would set out answers to a number of challenges facing the world.

“This will be a message for a new age,” she said. “But at the same time, as always, current issues will be addressed, focuses will be defined and direct instructions will be given.” Matvienko added that “in the current difficult environment facing the world, which comes with many obstacles for countries including Russia,” the address would become “the most important political and public event.”

Putin is due to speak to the national parliament, encompassing both the Senate and its lower house, the State Duma, on April 21. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov revealed on Monday that the annual message would be delivered in person, amid a relaxing of social distancing rules governing workplaces across the country. “The rest of the details are being worked out,” he added.

At a meeting of the World Economic Forum in January, Putin warned that the coronavirus pandemic was driving countries to borrow beyond their means and driving up inequality. Increasing the debt burden, he said, was an outdated way of stimulating growth. “If 20 or 30 years ago the problem could be solved by means of stimulating macro-economic policy, today these mechanisms have reached their limits,” the president said.

“Over the past 30 years, real incomes of people living in most of the developed countries have stagnated while the cost of education and health services has increased. Millions of people, even in rich countries, no longer see the prospect of boosting their incomes,” Putin added.

Russia has also entered an election year, with a poll scheduled for on or before September 19 to elect members of the State Duma. While the governing United Russia party took over 54% of the vote in 2016, guaranteeing it a majority of more than 100 seats, this ballot will take place amid a global economic turndown and a pandemic that has seen seismic political shifts take place elsewhere in the world.
 

US colonel with a butch lesbo haircut at the grave of a Praviy Sektor militant


I am calling BS. As soon as the Russian bear starts moving they'll bail out, surrender the Ukraine, demand that the Europeans cancel NordStream2, destroy Euro-Russian relations for the next 15 years, and possibly cut Russia off from the SWIFT payment system


3 billion USD in transit fees will soon be gone when the NordStream2 starts working


Not in line with the Montreux Convention


I still find it incredibly funny that the woketard LGBT morons now are on the same side of the literal nazis



Biden appoints special envoy to kill the NS2 pipeline



New article by Pepe Escobar
 
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So they win ..
Right

Putin is always on the defensive and in danger of being out manoeuvred

He should have ended the clownshow that is NATO involvement in the Ukraine 7 years ago. Instead he let the Sorosites takeover the Ukraine, and use it as a giant trap/bait/headache for Russia

Now he has to press real hard using the (covert) Russian contacts in the Ukraine and of course the European nations (the cheap Russian gas would make them more competitive versus the US and their dumb New Green Deal etc.) whilst simultaneously looking strong to deter the hardliners in Kyev + neo-Liberal warmongers in Washington to back off

Not a good position to be in
 
People are going to laugh at this, but it seems to me that Russia should be more concerned about China. China wants oil, timber, and farm land and what country has it all right next door, and has no allies who would come to its aid? Last century the USSR and Nazi Germany were sort-of-allies for a while, then Germany decided it wanted land and resources from the USSR and +30 million died in the next few years sorting that out.

Sure, the Russians are far better soldiers and would slaughter a lot of Chinese in the process, but what does China care? China has 10X the population as Russia, and China might actually be interested in the prospect of getting rid of a hundred million excess peasants in the process.

If China invades the Republic of China, the humaniatarian crisis on display in that densely populated country could push most of the world into containing China, crashing the Chinese economy and resulting in revolution. But if China contrives an excuse to invade Siberia, who would complain about it? In sparsely populated areas, the casualties are soliders, not civilians, and people care less for soldiers than for civilians. "Russia is always invading a neighbor, so now it is their turn--what goes around comes around." There were border skirmishes between the two countries in the 1960's if memory serves. It seems the only thing keeping the Chinese from rolling over half of Russia is the prospect of nuclear warheads landing in Beijing. The calculation may be how much land Russia would be willing to lose before triggering a mutually-assured-destruction nuclear exchange with China.
 

Goni

Woodpecker
Right

Putin is always on the defensive and in danger of being out manoeuvred

He should have ended the clownshow that is NATO involvement in the Ukraine 7 years ago. Instead he let the Sorosites takeover the Ukraine, and use it as a giant trap/bait/headache for Russia

Now he has to press real hard using the (covert) Russian contacts in the Ukraine and of course the European nations (the cheap Russian gas would make them more competitive versus the US and their dumb New Green Deal etc.) whilst simultaneously looking strong to deter the hardliners in Kyev + neo-Liberal warmongers in Washington to back off

Not a good position to be in
To me it seems typically like the position of the 3rd Reich in 1939,

Faced with the prosecution of the German minority in Poland not being reluctant to intervene because France and Britain would declare war.

Putin must not start a war, this is what they want. He should have cut the deal 7 years ago as you said.

As I said before, if Russia would be an industrial competitive economy , and Putin could have done that in 20 years, he wouldnt be facing these issues. Russia is also part of the BIS global system.
 

Goni

Woodpecker
People are going to laugh at this, but it seems to me that Russia should be more concerned about China. China wants oil, timber, and farm land and what country has it all right next door, and has no allies who would come to its aid? Last century the USSR and Nazi Germany were sort-of-allies for a while, then Germany decided it wanted land and resources from the USSR and +30 million died in the next few years sorting that out.

Sure, the Russians are far better soldiers and would slaughter a lot of Chinese in the process, but what does China care? China has 10X the population as Russia, and China might actually be interested in the prospect of getting rid of a hundred million excess peasants in the process.

If China invades the Republic of China, the humaniatarian crisis on display in that densely populated country could push most of the world into containing China, crashing the Chinese economy and resulting in revolution. But if China contrives an excuse to invade Siberia, who would complain about it? In sparsely populated areas, the casualties are soliders, not civilians, and people care less for soldiers than for civilians. "Russia is always invading a neighbor, so now it is their turn--what goes around comes around." There were border skirmishes between the two countries in the 1960's if memory serves. It seems the only thing keeping the Chinese from rolling over half of Russia is the prospect of nuclear warheads landing in Beijing. The calculation may be how much land Russia would be willing to lose before triggering a mutually-assured-destruction nuclear exchange with China.
If you think Hitler attacked USSR in 1941 because he wanted land and resources , you are spitting jewish crap propaganda.

Sure, Hitler knew that a war with USSR would come eventually, but that because he was aware of Stalin and Bolshevik plans for expansion and world domination.

Stalin was preparing to attack Germany in 1941, he had assembled millions of soldiers and tens of thousands of machines on the border.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
To me it seems typically like the position of the 3rd Reich in 1939,

Faced with the prosecution of the German minority in Poland not being reluctant to intervene because France and Britain would declare war.

Putin must not start a war, this is what they want. He should have cut the deal 7 years ago as you said.

As I said before, if Russia would be an industrial competitive economy , and Putin could have done that in 20 years, he wouldnt be facing these issues. Russia is also part of the BIS global system.

There is a bit of a similarity, but unlike Germany in the 1930s, Russia has geography on its side, they are invulnerable to an attack on their western front with China covering their rear, and potentially opening an even bigger front against the Atlantic power in the South and East China seas.

Putin, like Xi, also has time on his side. The parasitic oligarchs ruling the West have plunged their countries into economic and social turmoil while Russia has actually greatly benefited from western sanctions, rebuilding their home industry and agriculture, and integrating their resource-rich economy with China's surging economy. Both Putin and Xi have been busy rebuilding their countries and making their citizens wealthier, they would rather want to avoid war, which would set their economies back a few years, but they would not hesitate to strike back hard should they be pushed into a corner and attacked.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
People are going to laugh at this, but it seems to me that Russia should be more concerned about China. China wants oil, timber, and farm land and what country has it all right next door, and has no allies who would come to its aid? Last century the USSR and Nazi Germany were sort-of-allies for a while, then Germany decided it wanted land and resources from the USSR and +30 million died in the next few years sorting that out.

Sure, the Russians are far better soldiers and would slaughter a lot of Chinese in the process, but what does China care? China has 10X the population as Russia, and China might actually be interested in the prospect of getting rid of a hundred million excess peasants in the process.

If China invades the Republic of China, the humaniatarian crisis on display in that densely populated country could push most of the world into containing China, crashing the Chinese economy and resulting in revolution. But if China contrives an excuse to invade Siberia, who would complain about it? In sparsely populated areas, the casualties are soliders, not civilians, and people care less for soldiers than for civilians. "Russia is always invading a neighbor, so now it is their turn--what goes around comes around." There were border skirmishes between the two countries in the 1960's if memory serves. It seems the only thing keeping the Chinese from rolling over half of Russia is the prospect of nuclear warheads landing in Beijing. The calculation may be how much land Russia would be willing to lose before triggering a mutually-assured-destruction nuclear exchange with China.

This is a pretty bad misread of the current (and even future) geopolitical situation in Eurasia/East Asia. Let me simplify things for you:

1- The people running western governments have an age-old hatred for Christian Slavs, developed over centuries of their Khazarian ancestors living in the Pale of the Settlement. Putin's revival of a strong nationalist, Christian Russian identity is a complete deal breaker for the ruling class in the US, Canada, UK or France. That's the main reason for the demonization of Russia and the long smear campaign against Putin.

The goal of Atlantist strategists, as outlined by Brzezinsky in his book The Grand Chessboard, a geopolitical bible of sorts in the US, is to break and dissolve Russia into 4-5 pieces, with the western part absorbed into the neoliberal western order like Ukraine, and its vast resources subjugated like those of an African economic colony (exactly what happened in 1990s Russia under Yeltsin).

Putin likes the West, and sees his country as a European nation. He was stationed in Germany as an analyst and is an admirer of German culture and philosophy. He kept making overtures that have been rebuffed, and is finally coming to understand that Russia will never be accepted as a strong independent nation by the West.

2- China's honeymoon in the West has ended. China is challenging the dollar-based New World Order, and is the biggest threat to the Fed financial system. It's an existential threat to the NWO. The real US debt is close to $40-$50 trillion, but has always been a meaningless figure with the US$ being the world fiat currency. This status supports the near bottomless printing of US$ and debt. If that were to change, the US would have to completely restructure its economy and would no longer be able to run massive deficits.

Thus China and the US are on a collision course, not necessarily from the perspective of the people of those countries, but definitely so from the perspective of western oligarchs.

This is why Russia and China now have a very strong alliance. The two countries are also highly complementary with Russia being a resource and military tech supoerpower, and China being an economic juggernaut and the world's leading market and consumer of resources.

Trump could have uncoupled that partnership through openings to Russia, but the Deep State made it clear that this would be out of the question.

Also, the idea of China coveting Siberia for its lebensraum is naive. China's population is set to decline by 500+ million this century, due to the one child policy they've had for 40+ years. Their focus is on maintaining their borders and integrating Taiwan.

If China wanted to expand beyond its borders, it would have no problem taking over Mongolia, which is a huge country, or maybe splitting Mongolia with Russia. This is a country and people a quarter the size of continental US with a population smaller than that of metro Seattle, and a country with a very long and continious history of invading both China and Russia, so from a historian nationalist perspecitive, it would be a somewhat justifiable payback... Mongolia is completely landlocked between Russia and China, it would be conquered in a weekend by China.

I don't think a Chinese plan to invade Mongolia is in the works, but the point here is that it would be the low-hanging fruit for any expansion plans beyond the Chinese areas of Taiwan/HK.
 

get2choppaaa

Ostrich
If China wanted to expand beyond its borders, it would have no problem taking over Mongolia, which is a huge country, or maybe splitting Mongolia with Russia. This is a country and people a quarter the size of continental US with a population smaller than that of metro Seattle, and a country with a very long and continious history of invading both China and Russia, so from a historian nationalist perspecitive, it would be a somewhat justifiable payback... Mongolia is completely landlocked between Russia and China, it would be conquered in a weekend by China.

I don't think a Chinese plan to invade Mongolia is in the works, but the point here is that it would be the low-hanging fruit for any expansion plans beyond the Chinese areas of Taiwan/HK.
Funny you say that. I'm pretty sure Xi has declared a war of sorts on Genghis Khan...

 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Mongolian nationalism is part of the anti-Chinese effort, kind of the lesser-known stepbrother of Tibetan and Uyghur nationalism. Genghis Khan's illustrious past as the builder of the world's largest empire is not as celebrated across China, Asia or eastern Europe where he and his direct descendants have been responsible for the greatest set of genocides in human history. Unlike the modern genocides, his were almost entirely "handmade" via the sword, culminating in the construction of human pyramids...

Also, some of the main articles from that site give you a flavor of their agenda:







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Funny you say that. I'm pretty sure Xi has declared a war of sorts on Genghis Khan...


Anybody that has ever been to Inner Mongolia knows there are tons of statues (many of them quite massive) of Genghis Khan and his successors are all over the place.

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Statues of Kublai Khan and Genghis Khan in Holin Gol.

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Statue of Kublai Khan in Xanadu

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Mausoleum of Genghis Khan in Ordos

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Statue of Genghis Khan on Hohhot.

Meanwhile the Mongolian script is solely being kept alive in China, as Mongolia itself has fully switched to the Cyrillic script. Basically all shops and (government) buildings are using the Mongolian script giving it a very distinct vibe within China itself. Mongolian is one of the official language of China (and for that reason is on their notes etc.)

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Aside from that all minorities in China have significant advantages over Han Chinese, ranging from exemptionary status from the one child law to privileged positions in business and education

As for the position of the Mongolian language, people are free to speak and learn it as they please but not through state sponsored institutions. This is not something that I personally agree with as it might lead to linguistic extinction. However, it is very easily explained from their nationalist ideology (which also applies to Han Chinese speaking a wide variety of dialects and languages)

Really missing @El_Chinito_loco at times like these, the man was usually quite good at weeding out at CIA propaganda
 
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get2choppaaa

Ostrich
Anybody that has ever been to Inner Mongolia knows there are tons of statues (many of them quite massive) of Genghis Khan and his successors are all over the place.

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Statues of Kublai Khan and Genghis Khan in Holin Gol.

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Statue of Kublai Khan in Xanadu

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Mausoleum of Genghis Khan in Ordos

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Statue of Genghis Khan on Hohhot.

Meanwhile the Mongolian script is solely being kept alive in China, as Mongolia itself has fully switched to the Cyrillic script. Basically all shops and (government) buildings are using the Mongolian script giving it a very distinct vibe within China itself. Mongolian is one of the official language of China (and for that reason is on their notes etc.)

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Aside from that all minorities in China have significant advantages over Han Chinese, ranging from exemptionary status from the one child law to privileged positions in business and education

As for the position of the Mongolian language, people are free to speak and learn it as they please but not through state sponsored institutions. This is not something that I personally agree with as it might lead to linguistic extinction. However, it is very easily explained from their nationalist ideology (which also applies to Han Chinese speaking a wide variety of dialects and languages)

Really missing @El_Chinito_loco at times like these, the man was usually quite good at weeding out at CIA propaganda
That's interesting.

I was curious however about the cultural significance of the Han Chinese vs the Mongolians.

I am pretty sure that there is a lot of disinformation on all sides... But the CCP and Xi are not good guys. I would suspect they promoting non Han Chinese figures to prominent recognition would be counter productive for Chairman Xi and their goals...
 

Lots of info in this Twitter thread.

Turkey and the Ukraine have signed a Strategic Partnership aimed at increasing trade, military cooperation and more. Turkey has restated that it recognises the Crimea as Ukrainian soil

Turkey is becoming an interesting case as they are really going for a very independent foreign policy. They are slowly drifting away from the US (the S400, the Kurdish issue, Russian aircraft that will be acquired, the cold Erdo-Biden relation etc.) yet they are not rely aligning themselves with Russia so far.


Interesting analysis from Scott Ritter on the decline of NATO/the US and how its current antics in the Ukraine are a sign of weakness


To those who keep talking about Russian aggression, below is a RAND report from 2019 that confirms and outlines scenarios and tactics that we are seeing today

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

The scenario in Ukraine:

“Providing lethal aid to Ukraine would exploit Russia’s greatest point of external vulnerability. But any increase in U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict in which Russia, by reason of proximity, would have significant advantages.”

Black Sea scenario:

” Black Sea buildup would involve deploying strengthened North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) anti-access and area denial over the Black Sea—perhaps in the form of long-range, land-based anti-ship missiles—to drive up the cost of defending Russian bases in Crimea and lower the benefit to Russia of having seized this area.”
 
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