'The womanization of protein consumption': Canadians quickly turning away from meat

[Laner]

Kai - Yes I am in Toronto and the prices are high for beef. Walmart claims to sell AAA beef steaks for $10, I wouldn't trust that meat.

Salmon isn't cheap either and you have to do a good search to find wild salmon. Getting fresh food here isn't easy, talk to anyone from coastal cities in Canada and they don't touch the seafood here.

Game meat isn't that available in the big city.

Costco sells locally raised meat and fish, so I doubt that would do you much good in TO as far as Alberta AAA or Wild BC Sockeye, but its worth a shot. It brings the price of protein down to manageable levels for my family, anyways.

 

[rudebwoy]

Thanks Laner

I am not trying to consume more red meat or fish.

 

[ChefAllDay]

Actually most of the more liberal girls I know are reformed vegetarians and have just gotten back into eating red meat. It seems like the vegan era was mostly a millennial trend that is fading. The beyond meat burger is a joke. I don't eat meat but I want my burger to bleed? It's a lame marketing scam.

 

[911]

Ancel Keys research was flawed but that was because he didn't have much in the way of statistics to work with. He wasn't cherry picking and didn't have an agenda, at least initially. Doctors in WW2 noticed that Japanese (who ate a very lean diet then, with little meat and no dairy and very low saturated fat) had very clean arteries compared to Americans. It was also known that Finns had horrific incidence of heart disease. So Ancel Keys and other doctors speculated and saturated fat consumption stuck out as a differentiator. But it might have been pre-diabetes from excess sugar, which Americans have always eaten in large quantity. There was also the French paradox, since the French, like the Finns, eat huge amounts of saturated dairy fat but unlike the Finns, have little heart disease. My own view is that saturated fat is okay under certain circumstances, such as combined with lots of fruit or vegetables, for people not pre-diabetic. Cheese and salad or fresh apples washed down by red wine is safe, but pizza (cheese on white bread) washed down by coca cola is not, is what I believe currently.

As for red meat, my concern is the correlation with colon cancer and aging. BTW meat is not that high in saturated fat. Most of meat fat is monounsaturated. I eat meat when nothing else is available but I don't much care for it. My natural diet, the one I prefer and which is easiest to follow, is a Mediterranean diet, with olive oil replaced by 70% dark chocolate, lots of dairy and sardines but little meat.

You won't get colon cancer from red meat, provided you eat enough fiber/greens to go along.

 

[Nordwand]

We have a meat substitute named after the Prince of Darkness?

 

[flanders]

Ancel Keys research was flawed but that was because he didn't have much in the way of statistics to work with. He wasn't cherry picking and didn't have an agenda, at least initially. Doctors in WW2 noticed that Japanese (who ate a very lean diet then, with little meat and no dairy and very low saturated fat) had very clean arteries compared to Americans. It was also known that Finns had horrific incidence of heart disease. So Ancel Keys and other doctors speculated and saturated fat consumption stuck out as a differentiator. But it might have been pre-diabetes from excess sugar, which Americans have always eaten in large quantity. There was also the French paradox, since the French, like the Finns, eat huge amounts of saturated dairy fat but unlike the Finns, have little heart disease. My own view is that saturated fat is okay under certain circumstances, such as combined with lots of fruit or vegetables, for people not pre-diabetic. Cheese and salad or fresh apples washed down by red wine is safe, but pizza (cheese on white bread) washed down by coca cola is not, is what I believe currently.

As for red meat, my concern is the correlation with colon cancer and aging. BTW meat is not that high in saturated fat. Most of meat fat is monounsaturated. I eat meat when nothing else is available but I don't much care for it. My natural diet, the one I prefer and which is easiest to follow, is a Mediterranean diet, with olive oil replaced by 70% dark chocolate, lots of dairy and sardines but little meat.

You won't get colon cancer from red meat, provided you eat enough fiber/greens to go along.

Fiber is not food, and carries a host of health problems. I don't think anybody should be eating it in any quantity, unless they have four stomachs and chew the cud.

 

[Thot Leader]

Fiber is not food, and carries a host of health problems. I don't think anybody should be eating it in any quantity, unless they have four stomachs and chew the cud.

So it's not needed to aid in the digestion and excretion of animal products? I suppose it depends on how you define "any quantity". When I take a teaspoon of ground psyllium husk a couple hours after dinner, it guarantees a glorious dump in the morning.

 

[flanders]

Fiber is not food, and carries a host of health problems. I don't think anybody should be eating it in any quantity, unless they have four stomachs and chew the cud.

So it's not needed to aid in the digestion and excretion of animal products? I suppose it depends on how you define "any quantity". When I take a teaspoon of ground psyllium husk a couple hours after dinner, it guarantees a glorious dump in the morning.

It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

Put a teaspoon of that psyllium husk in water and see what happens. Do you think it's a good idea to eat it?

 

[rudebwoy]

Ancel Keys research was flawed but that was because he didn't have much in the way of statistics to work with. He wasn't cherry picking and didn't have an agenda, at least initially. Doctors in WW2 noticed that Japanese (who ate a very lean diet then, with little meat and no dairy and very low saturated fat) had very clean arteries compared to Americans. It was also known that Finns had horrific incidence of heart disease. So Ancel Keys and other doctors speculated and saturated fat consumption stuck out as a differentiator. But it might have been pre-diabetes from excess sugar, which Americans have always eaten in large quantity. There was also the French paradox, since the French, like the Finns, eat huge amounts of saturated dairy fat but unlike the Finns, have little heart disease. My own view is that saturated fat is okay under certain circumstances, such as combined with lots of fruit or vegetables, for people not pre-diabetic. Cheese and salad or fresh apples washed down by red wine is safe, but pizza (cheese on white bread) washed down by coca cola is not, is what I believe currently.

As for red meat, my concern is the correlation with colon cancer and aging. BTW meat is not that high in saturated fat. Most of meat fat is monounsaturated. I eat meat when nothing else is available but I don't much care for it. My natural diet, the one I prefer and which is easiest to follow, is a Mediterranean diet, with olive oil replaced by 70% dark chocolate, lots of dairy and sardines but little meat.

You won't get colon cancer from red meat, provided you eat enough fiber/greens to go along.

Sorry but this is incorrect.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/red-meat-and-colon-cancer

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/red-meat-and-the-risk-of-bowel-cancer/

https://www.cancernetwork.com/article/less-risk-distal-colon-cancer-lower-red-meat-intake

 

[Thot Leader]

RE: 'The womanization of protein consumption': quickly turning away from meat

It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

 

[Sidney Crosby]

Added fibre seems necessary with certain diets. Adding psyllium husks to water works great when needed, just try and drink it as fast as possible.

 

[TheOllam]

RE: 'The womanization of protein consumption':

It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

Prepare to be blown away: http://meatheals.com

Here's the owner of the site on insta - 51 years old, 100% Carnivore @Shawnbaker1967

- I am 100% sure we have been lied to about about food products - Fiber might not be all the good we think it is.

 

[Thot Leader]

^^^ Not blown away by the carnivore diet, though I do subscribe to a high fat, medium protein, low carb, zero sugar diet. Eggs, fish, avocado, and coconut are all key for me, as are green veggies. A Chinese medicine doctor I see says too much meat raises inflammation in the body. I take what she says with a grain of salt but this makes sense to me.

 

[flanders]

It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

I haven't eaten more than a few grams of fiber per day in years and zero grams per day in the last few weeks and shit twice daily. Sometimes three times daily, mind you these are small zero-strain deuces. Babies don't eat fiber either and take dumps probably about as frequently as people ought to.

Most people I know with high(er) fiber consumption think every two or three days is not considered irregular.
If you're young fiber can speed motility through the large intestine but this isn't always ideal either.

Dietary fat also increases motility (more effectively and without destruction to the inner membranes of the intestines) which is why it's required on a carnivore diet. You don't need fiber to take shits.

Fiber does work as a laxative but regular excretion is not some kind of disease you're born with where you must take laxatives for it to work.

If somebody were to go on a zero fiber diet and 'prove me wrong' it's likely they're going to be constipated for awhile given that regular/chronic fiber consumption (and drinking too much water) treats, causes, and worsens latent constipation much like addiction. Unbeknownst to them, they'd been constipated the whole time and require very large (usually dry) stools to trigger the nervous reflex to defecate.

Over time, and due to aging, the colon eventually weakens further and more fiber and water are required to stay regular, eventually worsening to diverticulitis (which will increase the rate of colon cancer ~3200%), pancreatitis, gallstones, kidney stones, etc; among a host of other conditions. Then they go to the doctor and are told to eat more fiber and drink more water, further worsening the electrolyte balance that is required to take regular shits and leading to drier, larger, harder stools. Tapering off slowly would be the best plan here.

Much of what is said about psyllium may be true regarding absorption of fatty acids, but recall that most necessary micronutrients are fat soluble, so any actual nutrition you hope to get from whatever you're eating would then be excreted.

I don't care if people choose to eat fiber or not, if they like getting GERD, ulcers, or straining at the shitter with bleeding hemorrhoids at 40 or 60, getting surgery for a torn anus or hernia or god knows what that's their business. It affects how much I pay in taxes and is probably a big cause behind the obesity epidemic, but I don't go griping about smokers either.

 

[supporttheright]

If you going to eat meat, pay extra and go for grass fed or organic. The amount of injection they give a cow is something to worry about. Fuck giving money to corporations that are seriously poisoning out bodies! I try to support local farmers that had real organic food.

 

[rudebwoy]

It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

Prepare to be blown away: http://meatheals.com

Here's the owner of the site on insta - 51 years old, 100% Carnivore @Shawnbaker1967

- I am 100% sure we have been lied to about about food products - Fiber might not be all the good we think it is.

You think he looks good? lol

 

[RedPillUK]

Fibre by definition is something that just goes through the body and has no nutritional value. That's it. It is not necessary or good for you to eat lots of undigestible food.

The amount of cholesterol you eat has little to no effect on the amount of cholesterol in your body, because 80% of your cholesterol is produced by your liver. If you somehow eat too much of it, the liver will produce less. If you have problems with cholesterol and your arteries, the cholesterol you are eating is not the root cause of it. Cholesterol is also what testosterone is made out of.

Red meat causing colon cancer or being hard to digest is because people cook it so damn much, it should be eaten extremely rare or raw for easier digestion. The black burnt bits on meat (as seen in the picture with Peterson's thot daughter) are carcinogenic. Obviously cooking a piece of red juicy meat into a piece of brown, tougher hard piece of meat with less moisture will be harder on your body, especially if you eat a lot it.

I think it's possible we've been lied to about nutrition to make us unhealthy and lower testosterone. I think a vegan agenda is being pushed on us, which is completely unheathy and unnatural for our body. We are much closer in design to carnivores than we are herbivores like cows with three stomachs.

Veganism is a sick unhealthy cult, no vegans are healthy. As you can see in the videos below. You can see interviews with ex vegans who have started to recover their health by going on a natural, mainly carnivore diet on the same channel.

 

[RedPillUK]

It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

I haven't eaten more than a few grams of fiber per day in years and zero grams per day in the last few weeks and shit twice daily. Sometimes three times daily, mind you these are small zero-strain deuces. Babies don't eat fiber either and take dumps probably about as frequently as people ought to.

Most people I know with high(er) fiber consumption think every two or three days is not considered irregular.
If you're young fiber can speed motility through the large intestine but this isn't always ideal either.

Dietary fat also increases motility (more effectively and without destruction to the inner membranes of the intestines) which is why it's required on a carnivore diet. You don't need fiber to take shits.

Fiber does work as a laxative but regular excretion is not some kind of disease you're born with where you must take laxatives for it to work.

If somebody were to go on a zero fiber diet and 'prove me wrong' it's likely they're going to be constipated for awhile given that regular/chronic fiber consumption (and drinking too much water) treats, causes, and worsens latent constipation much like addiction. Unbeknownst to them, they'd been constipated the whole time and require very large (usually dry) stools to trigger the nervous reflex to defecate.

Over time, and due to aging, the colon eventually weakens further and more fiber and water are required to stay regular, eventually worsening to diverticulitis (which will increase the rate of colon cancer ~3200%), pancreatitis, gallstones, kidney stones, etc; among a host of other conditions. Then they go to the doctor and are told to eat more fiber and drink more water, further worsening the electrolyte balance that is required to take regular shits and leading to drier, larger, harder stools. Tapering off slowly would be the best plan here.

Much of what is said about psyllium may be true regarding absorption of fatty acids, but recall that most necessary micronutrients are fat soluble, so any actual nutrition you hope to get from whatever you're eating would then be excreted.

I don't care if people choose to eat fiber or not, if they like getting GERD, ulcers, or straining at the shitter with bleeding hemorrhoids at 40 or 60, getting surgery for a torn anus or hernia or god knows what that's their business. It affects how much I pay in taxes and is probably a big cause behind the obesity epidemic, but I don't go griping about smokers either.

I don't know what psyllium husk is, but it doesn't sound like something that is naturally edible.

The last week (admittedly not a long enough time to draw many conclusions) I've eaten only fish ceviche (raw fish served with lime, chilli and onions and tomato), raw eggs, milk, stewed beef with some potatoes, onions and pepper, and some extremely rare beef and slightly less rare pork just now. I had a couple cups of coffee and tea too, and maybe 4-5 pints of beer. Never water, I think drinking loads of water is bullshit. I normally just drink milk or raw eggs when I'm thirsty, have been getting through 1 or 2 litres a day.

I'm not dead and digestion and going to the bathroom has been suprisingly easy and regular. I feel pretty damn good actually, so I'm going to stick to this diet for the foreseeable future.

 

[flanders]

If those videos gave no cues I would have guess they were gays who got pozzed at some point, not vegans. I think the push towards plant-based diets and away from meat is part of some kind of plot to make people weaker, stupider, less libidinous, always tired, and easy to control.
TLR - veganism is AIDs, guys. If you take vegans seriously you might as well take health advice from your local crack dealer.

I don't know what psyllium husk is, but it doesn't sound like something that is naturally edible.

The last week (admittedly not a long enough time to draw many conclusions) I've eaten only fish ceviche (raw fish served with lime, chilli and onions and tomato), raw eggs, milk, stewed beef with some potatoes, onions and pepper, and some extremely rare beef and slightly less rare pork just now. I had a couple cups of coffee and tea too, and maybe 4-5 pints of beer. Never water, I think drinking loads of water is bullshit. I normally just drink milk or raw eggs when I'm thirsty, have been getting through 1 or 2 litres a day.

I'm not dead and digestion and going to the bathroom has been surprisingly easy and regular. I feel pretty damn good actually, so I'm going to stick to this diet for the foreseeable future.

That looks like a pretty low fiber diet, potatoes (peeled) are only a few grams a serving, and agreed on the rest - drinking tons of water if you're not thirsty seems ridiculous. You drink more water, you get thirstier .. it's crazy what people do for health.

What I've been trying lately is a bit over a pound and a half of chicken and half a gallon of full fat milk using a leangains IF split - the macro breakdown is great and 50% caloric intake from protein makes ordinary people feel like badasses even if the total calories is a bit low. It's not low carb by any means (probably 100g/day from lactose, which almost everybody who doesn't destroy their gut bacteria with fiber can tolerate). If I'm lifting a lot I'll eat some honey or a fair amount of full fat yogurt with live cultures or just add more milk. Cheap as hell. Meat and milk are what's primarily in the herdsmen's diet, cheese and yogurt are fine too. I eat beef and pork at times but not very often.

Once in a great while I'll eat a "socially acceptable meal" with friends or family or eat whatever the hell I want on holidays but try to stick to anything with white bread and/or fried potatoes and this rarely causes problems. A burger with fries and maybe some cheesecake with ice cream is OK, though the carrageenan put in cheap ice cream and shakes is sometimes very bad lol.

 

[TheOllam]

It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

Prepare to be blown away: http://meatheals.com

Here's the owner of the site on insta - 51 years old, 100% Carnivore @Shawnbaker1967

- I am 100% sure we have been lied to about about food products - Fiber might not be all the good we think it is.

You think he looks good? lol

You missed the part about thousands of people improving their health, everyday folks finding a practical way to live better lives - If you know people that hurt themselves going vegan you might have a different perspective.