'The womanization of protein consumption': Canadians quickly turning away from meat

[kosko]

The hate on fiber is silly.You need insoluble and soluble fiber to ensure a healthy gut system. Both types of fiber ensue regularly bowels and help to rid the body of junk and help to mitigate inflammation as well. Humans are not designed to eat meat heavy diets as our bodies can't process all of the flesh well. Having fiber has always been needed.

 

[JayR]

RE: 'The womanization of protein consumption': Canadians quickly turning away from

Veganism is a sick unhealthy cult, no vegans are healthy. As you can see in the videos below. You can see interviews with ex vegans who have started to recover their health by going on a natural, mainly carnivore diet on the same channel.

The vegans in this video don't look so unhealthy:



Or this couple:

I already chimed in on the other vegan discussion in the EE forum (https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-31009.html), but here goes:

I went WFPB/No Oil (Whole Foods Plant-Based) 14 months ago after a heart diagnosis. I'm healthier in every respect in my 50s. Dropped 30 pounds in two months and dropped my body fat from 18% to 12% in the same period before leveling out. I sleep so much better now (wife says freight train snoring disappeared completely -- she is ecstatic). I'm off all meds after astonishing my doctor with excellent lab results. The list of health benefits I'm enjoying is long, but I won't bore you with old man tales.

I will never judge or criticize anybody for eating meat -- I did it for 50 years and loved it -- but the vegan hate on this board by dudes who have no personal experience with it, and the nutritional bro-science being bandied about here, is just crazy. Fiber is bad for you? Come on.

Even if I manage to completely reverse my heart disease (my goal), I wouldn't go back to eating meat.

 

[kosko]

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[RedPillUK]

Plant based or vegan? Do you eat diary?

Because if you went vegan you're not getting B12 and other vitamins that you can only get from animal products.

Give it 5 or 10 years those people will be malnourished. Vegan body builders normally build their body first, go vegan afterwards. I don't know these guys story and how much they're supplementing with steroids, testosterone and other things.

 

[kosko]

Plant based or vegan? Do you eat diary?

Because if you went vegan you're not getting B12 and other vitamins that you can only get from animal products.

Give it 5 or 10 years those people will be malnourished. Vegan body builders normally build their body first, go vegan afterwards. I don't know these guys story and how much they're supplementing with steroids, testosterone and other things.

Classic diets attained b12 from fermented foods. Evrey classical diet has some sort of fermented food staple. Each and every one. Fermented foods are a critical competent of the human diet and many of the modern ailments and defencies we find today is partly due to a lack or outright removal of fermented staples. The modern west diet has shunned away from fermented staples which you can guess is the reason our guts are nasty and we routinely get fucked up and sick all the time.

My stance is always to tell hardcore carnivores that remove the ease of going to a supermarket to get your meat. Try and have to place yourself to kill and prepare all of your meat. Humans were never the best hunters and used thier knowledge advantages to hack and create farm systems to cut back and the insane energy outputs needed to hunt and retrieve meat. Your burning tons of energy getting those calories in a wild setting.

Modern humans have this almost fetish idea of being a hunter but don't realize how much work it was to attain that meat. For populations that indeed have meat heavy diets thier physiology is much different with much larger bladders and an inch or so of more intestinal track to help them break down all that meat. The average Inuit that lives of a Paleo diet has much larger bladders and other physical differences that ensure they can handle thier meat heavy diets. The big bladders are needed to pass all the fucking radical crap present in meat. Inuits with thier differences to break down flesh and fats had a side effect in that it stuns their height. The Inuits are not giants with their fat and flesh diet.

I have nothing overly against meat focused diets but my take is to focus on micro nutrients and not on marcos. Each population will have a magic ratio of energy sources they find ideal, it is the micros and other foods such as fermented that needs detail and attention. The reason why plant based food (real Vegans who do dense foods) eaters do so well is that they focus on micro nutrients versus energy and supply the body with the critical items it needs to build itself up and make itself robust to be able to tackle inflammation and other ailments. Meat based diets can offer high micro attainment also but more detail is needed to enure balance of the gut and internal tracts (without this you end up hitting a wall IMO).

I'm eating a steak today.. don't think I don't like my meats.. but I'm just not sold on the hardcore carnivore diet as humans were not designed for it.

 

[JayR]

RE: 'The womanization of protein consumption': Canadians quickly turning away from

Plant based or vegan? Do you eat diary?

Because if you went vegan you're not getting B12 and other vitamins that you can only get from animal products.

Give it 5 or 10 years those people will be malnourished. Vegan body builders normally build their body first, go vegan afterwards. I don't know these guys story and how much they're supplementing with steroids, testosterone and other things.

Plant-based, no dairy. I eat honey so I don't qualify as vegan. I also don't eat any oil at all, which is a main ingredient in "vegan junk food."

B12 is the only supplement I take because, yes, meat is a primary source of that specific nutrient. All other vitamins are plentiful in plants. If I was digging around in the dirt for my food like my ancestors did (instead of getting it from the supermarket), I wouldn't need the B12 supplement.

That guy in the photo with the hot vegan babe is Nimai Delgado. According to his Instagram profile, he's never eaten meat in his life, so he somehow passed the 5-10 year malnourishment test period, and I expect to as well.

https://www.instagram.com/nimai_delgado/

 

[rudebwoy]

I am sure most of you don't even know where your meat comes from, there have been a lot of reports about companies using other animals and selling it as beef. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_horse_meat_scandal

Yes, local sourced beef tastes a lot different than the shop bought one.

Eating raw eggs is disgusting, what is the sense in eating that. https://www.cdc.gov/features/salmonellaeggs/index.html

I love the way guys post bodybuilders that look like they spent time in Auschwtiz, to highlight the vegan diet.

I am by no means a vegan, but I don't see the benefits of eating so much meat.

Uncooked meat has a lot of parasites, the same with fish. Maybe it is me, the thought of worms in my food turns my stomach.

Once they get inside your system, it takes a lot to get rid of them.

http://www.beefresearch.ca/research-topic.cfm/internal-parasites-50

http://theconversation.com/the-top-ten-parasites-that-could-be-lurking-in-your-food-29015

You eat what that animal ate, you better hope it was healthy to begin with.

 

[flanders]

The hate on fiber is silly.You need insoluble and soluble fiber to ensure a healthy gut system. Both types of fiber ensue regularly bowels and help to rid the body of junk and help to mitigate inflammation as well. Humans are not designed to eat meat heavy diets as our bodies can't process all of the flesh well. Having fiber has always been needed.

Soluble fiber isn't a huge deal, but saying that fiber is needed (for what?) is just more vegan propaganda invented by noted anti-masturbation and anti-sex crusaders Kellogg and Graham. Humans followed megafauna and ate purely carnivorous diets for thousands of years and analysis of their skeletons show a dietary composition similar to wolves. People didn't get stunted and fucked up looking teeth until agriculture happened.

Inuit are stunted for different reasons having more to do with the cold than diet lol.

I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest of it since wherever you're getting your information from is probably some granola momma. Go read a book that has citations and then get a job doing anything agricultural. If you haven't killed animals and butchered them for even one two-week paycheck, or raised something birth to death and ate it then go expand your horizons and see how much easier it is for animals to do the work of feeding you than digging up the earth and feeding yourself by the sweat of your brow.

 

[Thomas Jackson]

The exception proves the rule. Pointing out 1 jacked vegan is meaningless. A vegan diet is terrible for testosterone and muscle.

I would agree that eating grass feed beef and other quality sources is a good idea, but unless you are eating highly processed meat by the pound i doubt it is anywhere close to the worst thing you are doing.

 

[eL-JJ]

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Give it 5 or 10 years those people will be malnourished. Vegan body builders normally build their body first, go vegan afterwards. I don't know these guys story and how much they're supplementing with steroids, testosterone and other things.

Correct, it's always the same story with this young vegan bodybuilders.

In 2015, Nimai decided to transition from being a vegetarian to vegan. He cut out all of the dairy, eggs, and other animal products from his diet to become a 100% vegan.

 

[Flux]

I eat steak everyday, there really isn't any food as satisfying, or as healthy.

We evolved eating meat, and it's what we are meant to be eating.

 

[JayR]

RE: 'The womanization of protein consumption': Canadians quickly turning away fro

The exception proves the rule. Pointing out 1 jacked vegan is meaningless.

Except....the "Game Changers" video clip showed several "jacked vegans."

But it's not hard to find more examples.

Tennessee Titans NFL Team
http://www.espn.com/blog/tennessee-...the-rage-for-titans-with-15-players-converted

Nate Diaz "A Vegan kicked Conor McGregor's Ass!"

Nobody liked Ruth's Chris (incredible steaks), burgers, or NY-style thin-sliced pizza more than I in 2016. I'm from New England, and the idea that I'll never eat fried clams or steamers-with-drawn-butter ever again saddens me. But I want to live to play with my grandchildren, and a Calcium Score test of 396 shocked me into doing a lot of research that eventually led me to the WFPB/No-oil diet.

Now that I've been shocked/forced into it, I find that I feel, look, and perform better on the WFPB diet. So when I read posts that directly contradict my experience, I feel compelled to say something.

Veganism is extremely unpopular on RVF, but something tells me that as the average age of the guys on this forum rises, more of my health-conscious RVF brothers will be open to reducing the meats and upping the plants.

 

[rudebwoy]

Complete BS

 

[Not a Second Hander]

@rudebwoy,

word on the street is that you're a very fit jacked guy in his late 40s. How do you maintain such a physique without much meat. What does your diet look like?

@kosko

thank you for that post. I laugh at modern western urban dwellers fetishizing hunting with paintings of jacked, bearded men hunting mammoths on their Twitter feeds.

The fact is that until the advent of firearms, most "hunting" actually involved setting up traps. Not as sexy. Meat has always been supplemental in the human diet and like you said, I'd like to see how many of these strict carnivore badasses will fare if they had to wake up every morning trying to take down an animal that is likely bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive and has a better sense of smell & hearing.

As for diets, no one knows anything. Only diet I adhere to is avoidance of processed food and seed oils.

 

[kosko]

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[scotian]

@rudebwoy,

word on the street is that you're a very fit jacked guy in his late 40s. How do you maintain such a physique without much meat. What does your diet look like?

@kosko

thank you for that post. I laugh at modern western urban dwellers fetishizing hunting with paintings of jacked, bearded men hunting mammoths on their Twitter feeds.

The fact is that until the advent of firearms, most "hunting" actually involved setting up traps. Not as sexy. Meat has always been supplemental in the human diet and like you said, I'd like to see how many of these strict carnivore badasses will fare if they had to wake up every morning trying to take down an animal that is likely bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive and has a better sense of smell & hearing.

As for diets, no one knows anything. Only diet I adhere to is avoidance of processed food and seed oils.

Filling up a big freezer with wild game meat and fish isn't actually all that difficult, obviously it takes some skill as you have to learn how to shoot and cast a line, it also takes a bit of money to buy the equipment but overall, it is a very worthwhile investment. I recommend hunting and fishing to any guy out there who wants to learn a valuable life skill, there's nothing like hauling in a big fish and then cooking it up on a BBQ or shooting a deer and eating the meat for several months.

If you don't know anyone who hunts and fishes, just look up local fish and game association or hunting forums and find people local to your area and tell them that you're interested in hunting and fishing. Most guys would enjoy having someone come along, it's extra help dragging a dead animal out of the woods or helping gut fish. If you become friends with dudes who have boats, ATVS and cabins then you'll have an awesome time.

 

[Nordwand]

Older guys may be familiar with the name of Stuart McRobert, who wrote the books "Brawn" and "Beyond Brawn". He was vegetarian, who decided to go the whole hog, and become a vegan. He soon gave it up as a bad job, as his training suffered badly as a result of not consuming dairy products.

 

[rudebwoy]

@rudebwoy,

word on the street is that you're a very fit jacked guy in his late 40s. How do you maintain such a physique without much meat. What does your diet look like?

@kosko

thank you for that post. I laugh at modern western urban dwellers fetishizing hunting with paintings of jacked, bearded men hunting mammoths on their Twitter feeds.

The fact is that until the advent of firearms, most "hunting" actually involved setting up traps. Not as sexy. Meat has always been supplemental in the human diet and like you said, I'd like to see how many of these strict carnivore badasses will fare if they had to wake up every morning trying to take down an animal that is likely bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive and has a better sense of smell & hearing.

As for diets, no one knows anything. Only diet I adhere to is avoidance of processed food and seed oils.

I have been in the gym for 20 years and built up a good base. When you reach my age it is all about keeping trim and most important the belly down.

At least 3-4 days a week I have meatless day. A big lunch with all the hippy food like quinoa, couscous, lentils, beets, kale, chickpeas etc. Greens and veggies help me have glorious shits, it is common for me to go twice a day.

Greens and veggies are good for the dick, that alone does it for me.

At night, I will eat a lot of peanuts in the shell.

My weakness is that I have a big sweet tooth, if I could cut that out then I probably would have a 6 pack instead of a 4.

Meat is hard on your system, your body has to work hard to break it down. It stays in your system for up to 3 weeks, it also creates mucus in your body.

I don't touch dairy, maybe once in awhile I do some egg whites. My body is sensitive towards dairy and I am lactose intolerant.

I eat chicken and fish once a week, like others have stated I pay extra for the organic grass fed stuff.

Steel cut oats for breakfast/lunch.

 

[Teutatis]

Fiber is bad and useless, don't drink water, just drink tons of milk, eat raw meat, fish, eggs, don't eat veggies, all carnivore diet is healthy and that's how we evolved...

Damn, all this advice is so terribly bad and wrong, I hope no one listens to this. People that espouse craziness like this are as bad as the crazy vegans.

Rudebwoy's diet is a good one to take ideas from and adapt to your specific needs.

 

[Shemp]

RE: 'The womanization of protein consumption't

^What if everything you were taught about evolution is a big lie made up by SJWs and the medical industrial complex and humans are actually more closely related to wolves versus apes?