The Zoomer thread

Nemausus

Woodpecker
Gold Member

Morgoth had an interesting video about the Zoomers this week.

In the video, he argues that Zoomers are more adult-like and more serious than the childish Millennials.

Zoomers are now entering adulthood and discovering the clown world that the immature Millennials, who have remained stuck in perpetual adolescence, refused to confront or fix.

This is resulting in more radicalism and a "time to get serious" attitude. If this proves to be the case, it will present a generational philosophy that hasn't been seen in a very long time.
 

Travesty

Crow
Gold Member
I've noticed in the Zoomer relatives I have that they seem to be more collaborative and much less superficially competitive over petty shit with each other than Millenials. What defines Millenials is an obsession with trendy status that Gen X skipped over with alternative 90s stuff, and Boomers tended to get money for status rather than experiences, trendy personal fashion, being snobby about what friends you have.

Zoomers don't seem to have the same obsession with status, and the collaborativeness I think comes from everything is so techie and soft. Like in software and very techy things people tend to be collaborative like open source, and I think that culture is shaping this new generation. Let's all start a project together and save the world. Millenials don't have that nearly as much.

One thing I also notice is though the comments both from relatives and I see on social media of Zoomers feeling awkward, and I think not as comfortable with meeting strangers or doing things in person before Snapchatting a person for weeks, even some of the more popular more outgoing ones. Millenials still for the most part are pretty outgoing socially. The couchsurfing, backpacking, hostels, van life, giant international music festivals, study abroad all blew up during the Millenial time.

Something tells me reality TV for when Zoomers get to 20-30, there won't be any Jersey Shore, Real World, or any show where people are shouting at each other and throwing things with the cuss beeping noise going of constantly. They would handle things with just plain talking it out and if that didn't work it would be passive aggressive texting behind people's backs but not nearly as much open confrontation getting to borderline if not outright physical.

The defining Zoomer trait may be they are not openly confrontational as much in person and accepting of anyone's lifestyle. Millenials are definitely more confrontational pissy and a bit more judging of lifestyle choices "that dumb prep douche", "that stupid hippy kid" "that guy's such a poser bro!", I don't think Gen Z will have much of that superficial confrontation at all. Especially with something like coronavirus happening during important years that petty shit will seem trivial. Millenials got high speed internet, MySpace, Facebook, Instagram, Tinder, Snapchat, PornHub, OnlyFans, skyrocketing amounts of body modifications, hair coloring, and tattoos etc... all dumped on them in their prime years. All extreme superficial bullshit humanity never had to deal with before. So it isn't tough to beat Millenials in being less petty, they had petty dumped on them constantly in a way humanity has never seen before.

I think also Zoomers may have a more collectivist mindset because of the collaboration culture. This can be good or bad because it will put a force multiplier behind any idea that is widely accepted and dissent will be frowned on. Millenials have enough piss and vinegar that there isn't a collectivist mindset, and they are way too into themselves.
 
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Sparrow
I know a lot of zoomers and they are definitely less confrontational, unfortunately, this manifests as a sort of passivity. Apathy is the last virtue blah blah blah you all know the quote.

They have an obsession with status, I'm not quite sure why you say that, but it's more, well.....The key for zoomers is to have high status without acting like they have status. No one likes someone bragging, but girls viciously compete with each for social media attention. They boys are checked out in a world of porno and video games, but they brags about their high scores and xbox points(all very tongue in cheek of course), etc

And yes, many Zoomers have atrophied social skills due to lack of social interaction. Corona virus only makes it worse, but social media has been turning people into social morons for some time. I also think part of this is due to the overwhelming influence of their mothers. Mom is super over bearing, obsessed with safety and getting them into the right schools. Dad is either absent or emasculated. I work with a lot of teens and kids, I see it all the time.

I also think that people who fantasize about Zoomers being ultra right wing are fooling themselves. Most of them are on board for the mainstream agenda except for the most egregious cases (But that goes for many gen X and millenials too, it's just too politically incorrect to say it and they no it)and they are pretty not religious over all.
 

pitbullowner

Kingfisher
I also think that people who fantasize about Zoomers being ultra right wing are fooling themselves

Yeah they said the same thing about my generation (millennials) and I laughed hard. Albeit I'm an older and millennial technically a xennial... But yeah I get this now. I was hopeful that the Gen Z was going to be more conservative but I'm finding that to be almost identical to the way my generation was. I got into politics at the age of about 24 when the majority of millennials were just turning 18 and 19. and I think there was something by somebody like a Ben Shapiro saying that millennials are going to be the most conservative. And during my libertarian years I scoffed and laughed at this because I knew differently. How foolish of me to believe anything otherwise :squintlol:
 

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Sparrow
Yeah they said the same thing about my generation (millennials) and I laughed hard. Albeit I'm an older and millennial technically a xennial... But yeah I get this now. I was hopeful that the Gen Z was going to be more conservative but I'm finding that to be almost identical to the way my generation was. I got into politics at the age of about 24 when the majority of millennials were just turning 18 and 19. and I think there was something by somebody like a Ben Shapiro saying that millennials are going to be the most conservative. And during my libertarian years I scoffed and laughed at this because I knew differently. How foolish of me to believe anything otherwise :squintlol:
I'm in my early 30s so I know where you're coming from. The education system is even more left wing, media is more left wing, politics is more left wing (Trump is a 90s democrat, like him or hate him)and this will produce a more left wing generation.
 

Travesty

Crow
Gold Member
^ I think all people want some sort of status no matter the generation. I am saying Millenials put that status on full display in front of you as hipster guys/girls, preppy douche, skater/surfer, MMA, shirtless gym bros, instagram club sluts, festival girls etc. as part of their identity and often look down on other groups or tribes based on very superficial things. Boomers put their status on full display in what summer home, SUV, or new backyard deck you have.

Zoomer status display for males are much more benign for the average guy. Women with social media I agree. But in person I think in Millenials you would see more girls call each other bitch in person at a party or in a fight in the dorms, or guys getting into a fight in the backyard by the keg way way way more than Zoomer will. Also I am betting the average Zoomer high school party or get together you would see more diversity of kids as far as superficial identities hanging out together jocks, nerds, music people, funny clowns, fashionistas all kinda meld together into a more homogenous culture.

The old 1980s ultra stereotypes of high school cliques that bled into the 1990s and 2000s is fading because of technology. Everyone is exposed to everyone and can chat with everyone all the time since they are 10. These superficial barriers come down alot faster, and everyone has tech and social media in common. For Millenials especially the older ones many only got their first smartphone in their mid 20s. Everyone didn't have access to everyone growing up so many got typecast into certain tribes and groups based on more superficial traits.

It seems now Zoomers tend to care more about quirky personalities and all that tongue in cheek humor they match up with more for groups and friends more so than superficial exterior identities because now being a kid that may be an athlete jock, and like to code, and wear stylish hipsterish gear that likes anime but also does drugs at parties seems like a more normal thing. Everyone just melds and mixes the exterior things more, and because of that it is too hard to judge or care about others doing their own mixing exterior interests and identity traits.

It's like back in the mid 90s oh you like rock? Or alt rock? Well there are a group of 30 bands playing constantly on FM radio everyone listens to those and goes to their concerts. That defines rock. Now there are 30,000 smaller alt/rock/synth/hop bands all with different mixing identities and you can be a fan of a bunch and meet someone that has never heard of them and you never heard of the bands they like. It is too much to keep up with so it all melds together.
 
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Sparrow
I think that's a fair response. There are no cliques the way there used to be. Even that was ending when I was in highschool. I think the only zoomer status thats really important to them is who has access to women or not.
 

Travesty

Crow
Gold Member
^ Do you think Zoomers will have less sexual partners and at a later age than previous generations because of the lack of face to face socializing and technology barriers?
 

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Sparrow
Yes 100%, millenials had less and this trend continues with them. Also consider 2 facts. Remove gay men, who are extremely promiscuous compared to hetero men and you will be shocked at how little sex the average guy is having. and then consider the fact that there are no liits on female hypergamy now, and you will realize the average guy has no chance of getting a date. women have sex, but they are just soft harems for male 9s and 10s, so most of the sex they have is NSA. I remember I read a study that confirmed the pareto principal for mating, by tracking std infection rates. 20% of men are having 80% of the sex.

less face to face socializing means more sexting/nudes etc, but less actual touch and contact. as the trend towards suburbanization continues due to rising crime in inner cities (real or imagined) and also sky rocketing real estate prices, this will only be exasperated. i also think zoomers will have less sexual partners because many zoomer males have broken their dicks by the time they finish highschool due to ridiculous porn consumption. Sex becomes something you watch, rather than engage in.

Also, they will have fewer sexual partners due to fetishism thanks to technology. Not just cuckold poronography, but also things like furries/bronies, and other shameful fetishes that will prevent them from actual contact. People think that things like onlyfans is just the next iteration of porn, but the differences are the fact that its more personal, you can actually talk to the people, and if a zooner can swipe their dads credit card then they can order custom videos and turn into Marquis de Sade in their parents basement.
 

Travesty

Crow
Gold Member
^ So because Zoomer males are so into virtual worlds including porn, status rises exponentially for males being known to have access to socialize with hot girls and bang them, even moreso compared to previous generations because of less access to socializing with women? Like an ever decreasing supply of a good?

If a Millenial guy had sex with 8 cute or hot girls in high school he'd be the fucking man. If a Zoomer did it with 4 he would be a legend?
 
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Sparrow
Essentially, yeah. If you are a zoomer male and you can talk to girls, have a girlfriend, etc, all stuff that Gen X took for granted, you're doing great. If you are able to hook up with a few different women, I mean, have sex with 4 or 5 women a year you are doing better than 90%. I wish I could find this old study about STD spread between men and women I read a while back, that basically confirmed this. It was illuminating.
 

Jay

Pigeon
The eternal human cycle of happiness-laziness-suffering-rebuilding-happiness.....
At some upcoming point some generation is gonna rebuild.
 

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Sparrow
Weak men transitioning to hard times is happening right now. I think zoomers and millenials will get crushed by hard times. I am somewhat concerned that they won't have any children to create the good times though.
 

Jay

Pigeon
Weak men transitioning to hard times is happening right now. I think zoomers and millenials will get crushed by hard times. I am somewhat concerned that they won't have any children to create the good times though.
I do hope with forums like these and some public backlash against leftist ideologies, that we are on the other side of this hill and very slightly transitioning out of the 'suffering' mentality.
Time will tell.
 

yeppels

Sparrow
^ Do you think Zoomers will have less sexual partners and at a later age than previous generations because of the lack of face to face socializing and technology barriers?
Yea absolutely, teenagers are having less sex these days: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

I think there are many reasons for it, here are a bunch off the top of my head

  • social media encourages digital communication over in-person communication
  • boys get access to porn very early and with smart phones, anywhere
  • boys, and to a lesser extent girls, are spending more time playing video games as gaming has moved from a nerd activity to mainstream
  • the risks of sex - pregnancy and STDs, are drilled into kids which reduces their risk tolerance
  • general digital lifestyle reduces risk tolerance
  • for parents, having their kids at home on a screen can appear to be safer than letting your kids go out
  • the fight to secure a good education and a high paying job are increasingly more competitive and kids are stressed out and have less time to socialize
  • testosterone levels in American men decreasing across the board: https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/hormone-therapy/news/print/endocrine-today/{ac23497d-f1ed-4278-bbd2-92bb1e552e3a}/generational-decline-in-testosterone-levels-observed. I read that they've detected similar trends in male dogs so the culprits are very possibly environmental results of industrial pollution (chemical dumping into water, general factory pollutants), along with lifestyle changes and obesity
  • access to the internet allows kids to do self guided research on sex education without having to do it in person
 

Travesty

Crow
Gold Member
Do you guys think because of this we will see a lot more older man younger girl pairing in the next 10-20 years? 35-45 year olds with 20-30 year old Zoomer girls as they come out of college? Or do you think because Millenial men generation is different enough and not as dominated by online life TikTok and tongue in cheek zoomer humor that Zoomer chicks as they get older will just stick to soft harem arrangements of guys near their own age because they can't fully relate to people that didn't fully grow up with technology?

With increasing economic pressures to fight for less high paying stable white collar jobs there will probably be less marriages at older ages with less kids. So girls will have more years to screw around and an easier time putting off commitment. Especially if they extend, enhance, and cheapen price of freezing eggs and doing in utero over next few decades.
 
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kel

Kingfisher
Zoomers definitely aren't super right-wing, but they're more open to it than millennials (it was completely taboo among my peer group), and more importantly those zoomers who do break from the liberal world order seem serious and concerned in a way that millennials are not (see that Morgoth's Review video about nihlism/irony as a coping mechanism).
 

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Sparrow
Do you guys think because of this we will see a lot more older man younger girl pairing in the next 10-20 years? 35-45 year olds with 20-30 year old Zoomer girls as they come out of college? Or do you think because Millenial men generation is different enough and not as dominated by online life TikTok and tongue in cheek zoomer humor that Zoomer chicks as they get older will just stick to soft harem arrangements of guys near their own age because they can't fully relate to people that didn't fully grow up with technology?
I don't think you will see a lot of marriages between millennial and zoomers because millennial are broke as shit. They have huge amounts of student debt, got crushed 12 years ago with the mortage collapse, and are now getting crushed by the corona collapse. If they inherit lots of cash from their parents than maybe, but I know a ton of millennial (being one myself) and many do not have the ability to marry because of womens socio-sexual signalling in their 20s.

That is to say, tons of millennial men won't be husbands and fathers because in their teens and 20s, millennial women strongly preferred to hook up with men that were "hot" and "fun" (AKA DJs, bouncers, jocks, tattoo artists, etc) and so many millennial men either developed characteristics to become more attractive to women (I made this mistake, building a life to appeal to damaged women damages you as a man) or if they realized they won't ever be able to pull women, ended up developing other traits that won't do anything for them when it comes to marriage and fatherhood. Millennial men were never incentivized to become husbands and fathers, so they didn't. And in the same way that you can't turn back the clock if you're a 30 year old woman and become wife material overnight, if you're a 30 year old man, you can't turn back the clock and become husband material.

Also a lot of millenial men are red pilled, documentaries like Divorce Inc. played well with the normies, so those millenial men with cash are worried about getting divorced and wrecked like their dads. I wonder if zoomer men will be better off, hopefully not falling for the college/university meme and starting life off with 5 or 6 figure debt.
 
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