They killed James Bond

EndlessGravity

Pelican
Protestant
He can't be dead, he hasn't had a gay sex scene yet!

This isn't exactly true. In Skyfall they had that line where he implies he's had gay sex while the villain, who's gay irl, rubs Bonds' legs.

I didn't think No Time to Die was too horrible myself. Definitely wasn't great although it had a few good "Bond" moments. The script was haphazard and the plot was often pointless or didn't make total sense. They threw away the chance to have good actors really shine.

One of the alt-politics site did a good analysis of the movie's relation to other Bond films but I can't remember what site it was.
 

Renzy

Pelican
Catholic
Mainstream media covered his demise in predictably feminist fashion- ie, a character like Bond needed to be cancelled in the "post-#MeToo era"


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Bond’s sacrifice gives him a redemptive arc that modern audiences need

We all know that the character of James Bond is problematic. The character has a history of raping, objectifying and using women. And Bond movies often glamorized that behavior. The character taught generations of men that misogyny was cool. Just as little girls look to figures like Barbie to perceive what they should be, what they should value and how they should interact with men when they grow up, so too do little boys look for cues from famous, enduring figures like Bond.

To its credit, Casino Royale tried to reckon with the question of how, exactly, Bond became such a misogynist. A betrayal by a woman provided part of the answer, though misogyny seemed to be baked into Bond’s very character. Before Craig’s Bond ever meets Vesper, he sleeps with a woman for information and is hardly perturbed when he finds her brutally murdered the next day. By the end of the movie, when he finds out that Vesper both betrayed and saved him, he responds, infamously, “The bitch is dead.”

It’s hard to reconcile that brutal perspective with the fact that Bond remained eminently hip—a familiar vehicle through which tailors and car dealers and watchmakers could hawk their wares to an adoring public. The movie wanted us to acknowledge this man we idolized was a monster, but didn’t want us to stop idolizing him.

How, exactly, that character could survive a post-#MeToo era was unclear. Could the world’s most famous fictional misogynist endure? Would he have to reform?

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One difference between men and women is that men are content to let women have their chick flics and Fifty Shades of Gray movie fantasies. We may find them boring and silly, but we don't try to ban them or get them cancelled. Modern Western women, on the other hand, really can't seem to stand the idea that men are off somewhere enjoying something that doesn't conform to female sensibilities. While men are happy to let men be men and women be women, women evidently need everything to be remade in the female image; whether it's video games, or sports, or movies like Bond, they just can't let men have any escape of their own to enjoy.

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Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
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One difference between men and women is that men are content to let women have their chick flics and Fifty Shades of Gray movie fantasies. We may find them boring and silly, but we don't try to ban them or get them cancelled. ((( ))) on the other hand, really can't seem to stand the idea that men are off somewhere enjoying something that doesn't conform to ((( ))) sensibilities. While men are happy to let men be men and women be women, ((( ))) evidently need everything to be remade in the female image; whether it's video games, or sports, or movies like Bond, ((( ))) just can't let men have any escape of their own to enjoy.
^ ((( Fixed )))

Edit: I would argue that James Bond was not misogynistic in any way. Misogyny means "dislike for or contempt of women". He definitely liked women- as women. He just refused to pedestal-ize them (which in woke world does constitute misogyny... but I aint buying their BS so...no).
 
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Marco B.

Chicken
When this latest Bond-movie was announced more than two years ago, i was very excited to see it.
It was my father who in 1977 told me about James Bond for the first time when a was a little boy.He told me that he even saw Bond movies in the 60s. I instantly became a Bond fan like him.We watched together many many times all the Bond movies.Except the latest movie. My father died in March 2021.( Rest in peace Dad)
Before this latest movie was released i heard more and more rumors that Bond gets replaced by a woman (or even killed) at the end of the movie.So i already had a very bad feeling about it.I didnt want to see Bond die or destroyed by the "woke"-propaganda. Even the title "No time to die" was suspicious.
Therefore i intentionally have read some reviews with all the spoilers in it.I was heavily disappointed but not very surprised.
I am not gonna see this movie.Never.No, Bond lives forever.
I am glad my Dad will never know about it....He would have been very disapponted like me.At the funeral i´ve put the "Goldfinger"-DVD into his grave, because Sean Connery was his favourite actor.
 
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El Draque

Pelican
Orthodox
Roger Moore was my favourite Bond, too.Because this movie "Moonraker" was the first Bond movie which i ever saw as young kid.Therefore its even one of my favourite Bond movies, although its not really the best one..

He was having fun with it, it was daft and went into self parody, but was always fun and not taking itself seriously.

I cannot abide the modern version. Everythings so 'dark and edgy and psychological'. Grim, dour and tedious. Maybe it got worried about the Bourne films of a decade or so back and tried to do likewise. Either wau its joyless navel gazing, even without all the poz.
 

Marco B.

Chicken
He was having fun with it, it was daft and went into self parody, but was always fun and not taking itself seriously.

I cannot abide the modern version. Everythings so 'dark and edgy and psychological'. Grim, dour and tedious. Maybe it got worried about the Bourne films of a decade or so back and tried to do likewise. Either wau its joyless navel gazing, even without all the poz.
Perfectly explained.Bond movies before Craig were usually funny and entertaining.Thats why you go to the cinema.Thats why you spend your hard earned money.But since Craig it was usually more and more depressing and unfunny.When a " Quantum of Solace" was released, i invited three of my best friends to see it in the cinema.It was on my birthday.We wanted to have fun.But what a depressing boring piece of s....t !
I wasted probably 50 Euro/dollars for this..It ruined almost the whole evening, our mood and my birthday.
 
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GuitarVH

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
Roger Moore was my favourite Bond, too.Because this movie "Moonraker" was the first Bond movie which i ever saw as young kid.Therefore its even one of my favourite Bond movies, although its not really the best one..

The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker were a great 1-2 punch in the 70s. Of course they both had the famous "Jaws" character. Totally classic.
 

Maddox

Woodpecker
Protestant
Honestly good, James Bond was a psyop that convinced boomer men they were all secret debonair womanizers. Bond (sexual revolution), Easy Rider (thinking you're a rebel against "the system") and Star Wars (we went to the moon in a tin can duuuuiude!) are seminal boomer bluepilling films that basically form an entire generations delusional self-image.

By the way, I am not saying all boomers bought into this, there are many boomers on this forum I respect. I do not want to start a generation wars discussion as we have a thread for that. However, I think these films had a tremendous amount of influence laying groundwork for later degeneracy.

It was a fantasy for ALL men, not just boomers.

I will agree though that Bond's lovemaking sessions in each of the films might have been used to introduce degeneracy into our culture.
 

Belgrano

Ostrich
Gold Member
In my opinion the recent Kingsman movies are closer to the style of the classic Bond movies and their over-the-top, somewhat silly and light-hearted nature than the modern Bond movies. Just a lot of fun without taking themselves too seriously.
 

El Draque

Pelican
Orthodox
Its one reason i never really enjoyed Austin Powers. It was sending up a series, that had been sending itself up for years, in a far dryer, funnier way.

Austin Powers was just like an amps up to 11, crass parody. May as well been a sketch show.
 

MartyMcFly

Kingfisher
Other Christian
James Bond began and finished with Sean Connery as far as I am concerned. Though Roger Moore is ok. After that downhill.
Timothy Dalton is my 2nd favorite and I wish he was in more Bond movies. Dalton seemed more realistic than the others and more interesting than Craig. I agree Connery is the best though. Moore was decent but had some ridiculous scripts with too much humor added in.
 

MartyMcFly

Kingfisher
Other Christian
At least all these famous movie characters of the past, were heterosexual. Not only heterosexual, but also White and tough. Well, in any case, they're not coming back, the movie world has moved on to full-gay mode. Except Asian movies, of course, and Russian ones, where tough heterosexual male heroes are still the norm.
I think traditional movies will still exist, but they will be made by smaller studios and on smaller budgets and they will be less known.

We have to blame moviegoers for the decline though. Movie studios will keep pumping out garbage movies if they are rewarded for it.
 

inthefade

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
I grew up with goldeneye, so I'll always have a place for Brosnan and the bond girls in that movie.

edit: plus, Brosnan was never divorced, has a large family and is Christian.
 
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MartyMcFly

Kingfisher
Other Christian
The Drinker likes Moore, but only (it seems) in The Spy Who Loved Me: (profanity)



"...it's a million times more enjoyable than the po-faced, Jason Bourne-wannabe we've been lumbered with today."
Good movie review. His comment about this movie having the right balance of action, seriousness, and humor is spot on. Craig is too dark and serious.
 
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