Tinder and the Dating Apocolypse

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Barron

 
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ryanf said:
“For young women the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality,” says Elizabeth Armstrong, a professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who specializes in sexuality and gender. “Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to puzzle out why women have made more strides in the public arena than in the private arena.”

I don't want a relationship. No means no bitch.

It's true, men do decide whether something is going to be serious or not because that is our prerogative in the scheme of things.
However it's women's prerogative to decide if sex is on the table or not.

There is no double standard, in fact it's very simple:
Women complaining about the male's mating prerogative are attempting to remove their side of rejection.
Men face rejection on the front end, meaning when we approach a girl and she tells us "fuck off creep" that's our side of rejection.
However women have to face an equally daunting side of rejection on the back end and that is after they've given us what we want. Once sex has happened then it's the male's turn to decide whether or not we want to hang around and progress things to a more committed level.

She gets to decide whether the relationship becomes sexual and then we get to decide whether it becomes serious. Front end and back end rejection, it's the way it has always and will always work. Sorry ladies but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
 

Isaac Jordan

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Free Northerner has a great write-up up of the article:

The tables are filled with young women and men who’ve been chasing money and deals on Wall Street all day, and now they’re out looking for hookups. Everyone is drinking, peering into their screens and swiping on the faces of strangers they may have sex with later that evening. Or not. “Ew, this guy has Dad bod,” a young woman says of a potential match, swiping left. Her friends smirk, not looking up.

Alienation so deep, they’re even alienated from their own hedonistic activities.

“Tinder sucks,” they say. But they don’t stop swiping.

Addiction.

“Brittany, Morgan, Amber,” Marty says, counting on his fingers. “Oh, and the Russian—Ukrainian?”

“Ukrainian,” Alex confirms. “She works at—” He says the name of a high-end art auction house. Asked what these women are like, he shrugs. “I could offer a résumé, but that’s about it … Works at J. Crew; senior at Parsons; junior at Pace; works in finance … ”

“We don’t know what the girls are like,” Marty says.

“And they don’t know us,” says Alex.


Mutual masturbation.

“It’s rare for a woman of our generation to meet a man who treats her like a priority instead of an option,” wrote Erica Gordon on the Gen Y Web site Elite Daily, in 2014.

Why would anyone pay top price for meat that is cheap and readily available?

Short-term mating strategies” seem to work for plenty of women too; some don’t want to be in committed relationships, either, particularly those in their 20s who are focusing on their education and launching careers.

The boilerplate feminist defence in an article where women do little but lament the hook-up culture.

“Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to puzzle out why women have made more strides in the public arena than in the private arena.”

Women have the power to decide what enters their vagina. If they wanted to be relationship material they’d be relationship material, and find relationships.

“There is no dating. There’s no relationships,” says Amanda, the tall elegant one. “They’re rare. You can have a fling that could last like seven, eight months and you could never actually call someone your ‘boyfriend.’ [Hooking up] is a lot easier. No one gets hurt—well, not on the surface.”

They give a wary laugh.


Can it be called self-deception, when you know you’re deceiving yourself?

They tell me how, at their school, an adjunct instructor in philosophy, Kerry Cronin, teaches a freshman class in which an optional assignment is going out on an actual date. “And meet them sober and not when you’re both, like, blackout drunk,” says Jane. “Like, get to know someone before you start something with them. And I know that’s scary.”

Autistic alienation.

“And it reaches a point,” says Jane, “where, if you receive a text message” from a guy, “you forward the message to, like, seven different people: ‘What do I say back? Oh my God, he just texted me!’ It becomes a surprise. ‘He texted me!’ Which is really sad.”

“It is sad,” Amanda says. “That one A.M. text becomes ‘Oh my God, he texted me!’ No, he texted you at one A.M.—it’s meaningless.”

They laugh ruefully.


How fulfilling. How starved for affection can they be?

“It’s not, she says, that women don’t want to have sex. “Who doesn’t want to have sex? But it feels bad when they’re like, ‘See ya.’ ”

“It seems like the girls don’t have any control over the situation, and it should not be like that at all,” Fallon says.

“It’s a contest to see who cares less, and guys win a lot at caring less,” Amanda says.

“It’s body first, personality second,” says Stephanie.


Why would a man care about the personality of his sex toy?

If you object to calling a girl a sex toy, why don’t you object to the girl treating herself like one?

“Sex should stem from emotional intimacy, and it’s the opposite with us right now, and I think it really is kind of destroying females’ self-images,” says Fallon.

That’s how society got in this mess in the first place.

“But if you say any of this out loud, it’s like you’re weak, you’re not independent, you somehow missed the whole memo about third-wave feminism,” says Amanda.

See here.

“I hooked up with three girls, thanks to the Internet, off of Tinder, in the course of four nights, and I spent a total of $80 on all three girls,” Nick relays proudly. He goes on to describe each date, one of which he says began with the young woman asking him on Tinder to “ ‘come over and smoke [weed] and watch a movie.’ I know what that means,” he says, grinning.

$80. Hookers make more and probably receive more affection.

They all say they don’t want to be in relationships. “I don’t want one,” says Nick. “I don’t want to have to deal with all that—stuff.”

“You can’t be selfish in a relationship,” Brian says. “It feels good just to do what I want.”

I ask them if it ever feels like they lack a deeper connection with someone.

There’s a small silence. After a moment, John says, “I think at some points it does.”

“But that’s assuming that that’s something that I want, which I don’t,” Nick says, a trifle annoyed. “Does that mean that my life is lacking something? I’m perfectly happy. I have a good time. I go to work—I’m busy. And when I’m not, I go out with my friends.”


Alienation.

He’s a womanizer, an especially callous one, as well as kind of a loser. The word has been around for at least a decade with different meanings; it’s only in about the last year that it has become so frequently used by women and girls to refer to their hookups.

“What percentage of boys now do you think are fuckboys?,” I asked some young women from New Albany, Indiana.

“One hundred percent,” said Meredith, 20, a sophomore at Bellarmine University in Louisville.

“No, like 90 percent,” said Ashley (the same as mentioned earlier). “I’m hoping to find the 10 percent somewhere. But every boy I’ve ever met is a fuckboy.”


How blind can they be?

‘He drove me home in the morning.’ That’s a big deal,” said Rebecca, 21, a senior at the University of Delaware.

Heh.

Bring all of this up to young men, however, and they scoff. Women are just as responsible for “the shit show that dating has become,” according to one. “Romance is completely dead, and it’s the girls’ fault,” says Alex, 25, a New Yorker who works in the film industry. “They act like all they want is to have sex with you and then they yell at you for not wanting to have a relationship. How are you gonna feel romantic about a girl like that? Oh, and by the way? I met you on Tinder.”

Someone brings the truth.

Rebecca, the blonde with the canny eyes, also mentioned above, hooked up with someone, too. “It was O.K.” She shrugs. “Right after it was done, it was kind of like, mmmp … mmmp.” She gives a little grunt of disappointment.

Sounds fun.

“I’m on it nonstop, like nonstop, like 20 hours a day,” says Courtney, the one who looks like a 70s movie star.

“It’s, like, fun to get the messages,” Danielle says. “If someone ‘likes’ you, they think you’re attractive.”

“It’s a confidence booster,” says Jessica, 21, the one who looks like a Swedish tennis player.


Self-esteem addiction.

“A lot of guys are lacking in that department,” says Courtney with a sigh. “What’s a real orgasm like? I wouldn’t know.”

They all laugh knowingly.

“I know how to give one to myself,” says Courtney.

“Yeah, but men don’t know what to do,” says Jessica, texting.

“Without [a vibrator] I can’t have one,” Courtney says. “It’s never happened” with a guy. “It’s a huge problem.”

“It is a problem,” Jessica concurs.


Sound like they’re enjoying it, no?

“I think men have a skewed view of the reality of sex through porn,” Jessica says, looking up from her phone. “Because sometimes I think porn sex is not always great—like pounding someone.” She makes a pounding motion with her hand, looking indignant.

“Yeah, it looks like it hurts,” Danielle says.

“Like porn sex,” says Jessica, “those women—that’s not, like, enjoyable, like having their hair pulled or being choked or slammed. I mean, whatever you’re into, but men just think”—bro voice—“ ‘I’m gonna fuck her,’ and sometimes that’s not great.”

“Yeah,” Danielle agrees. “Like last night I was having sex with this guy, and I’m a very submissive person—like, not aggressive at all—and this boy that came over last night, he was hurting me.”

They were quiet a moment.


And yet they all go along with it enthusiastically.

This article by itself is justification for patriarchy. These young women are addicted to attention. They are not enjoying themselves, they are neither respected nor loved, they are starved for affection, and they are willingly making themselves sex toys for men who don’t care in the least about them and enjoy hurting them. It is destroying their emotional core, but they can’t quit their addiction.

They need a stern father to drag them back home and force them to respect themselves.

The men are aimless and alienated. They need responsibility. Instead, they get untold free poon. Why do they need to care, when they can drown themselves in hedonism? They need the women’s fathers to to be cut off from empty masturbation with their breathing sex toys and be forced to contribute and care before hedonism can take them, so they can grow into men.

This is not healthy.
 

Lizard King

Pelican
There was an article today in the Sunday Times(UK) about how terrible tinder is and how terribly the male users treat the women(just hooking up with sloots). I think it is not a coincidence that these articles are appearing around the same time and saying similar things. This might sound crazy but I think it is covert marketing to generate interest. We all know what tinder is good for, and many here say it(tinder) is past its peak. What better way to gain more users(the metric for valuing online commodities).
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
Its pretty funny when women go on about not getting orgasms. If I was in NYC I wouldn't be putting in too much effort to get her off. I do my thing and if it doesn't work for her than so what? Always another girl around the corner.

This realisation has yet to hit women full-on. How many men would be more than happy to be fucking 2 different women a week? How many of these men will give a flying fuck about their lays getting an orgasm after 6 months? I stopped caring around the 10th lay I had in my life years ago.
 

MKDAWUSS

Kingfisher
Lizard King said:
There was an article today in the Sunday Times(UK) about how terrible tinder is and how terribly the male users treat the women(just hooking up with sloots). I think it is not a coincidence that these articles are appearing around the same time and saying similar things. This might sound crazy but I think it is covert marketing to generate interest. We all know what tinder is good for, and many here say it(tinder) is past its peak. What better way to gain more users(the metric for valuing online commodities).

IDK, I think RVF has done more to spark my interest in online dating sites such as Tinder than the online editions of newspapers. Not so much to find dates or sex, but just to check people out and further observe the society that I live in.
 

CRR

Kingfisher
Women have the power to decide what enters their vagina. If they wanted to be relationship material they’d be relationship material, and find relationships.

Quote of the year.

It's similar to how these women want to dictate to men what men find attractive. They want to behave one way but demand to be treated however they want.

Feminism likes to teach women that their behavior is justified no matter what. But in the end they reap what they sow.

They can complain that men get away with supposed bad behavior and still find plenty of women, but again nobody is forcing these women to find such men attractive. Likewise, these women act like whores they are going to be treated as such, since men who are looking for wife material aren't going to try to turn a whore into a housewife. This can anger the whores, but they don't get to dictate to men what they are looking for in a mate. Instead, they should try to become the type of woman a desirable man is looking for in a wife. Or else enjoy your cats.
 

StrikeBack

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They're describing the situation as if 90% or even 100% of men are Alpha Fux (fuckboys) and the women are helpless... here comes the Big Gov White Knight to pass more Beta Bux laws.
 

Lizard King

Pelican
MKDAWUSS said:
Lizard King said:
There was an article today in the Sunday Times(UK) about how terrible tinder is and how terribly the male users treat the women(just hooking up with sloots). I think it is not a coincidence that these articles are appearing around the same time and saying similar things. This might sound crazy but I think it is covert marketing to generate interest. We all know what tinder is good for, and many here say it(tinder) is past its peak. What better way to gain more users(the metric for valuing online commodities).

IDK, I think RVF has done more to spark my interest in online dating sites such as Tinder than the online editions of newspapers. Not so much to find dates or sex, but just to check people out and further observe the society that I live in.


That is true, but you are not the target of this type of typing.

You already see through facade, that's why you're here posting and engaging in discussions. Articles like this are for "blue pill" people, so they can be reminded how harmful men are to society and how the strong-vulnerable women are still being victimised.
 

CynicalContrarian

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Other Christian
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For those gals tired of being hounded by 100's of boring beta's.
They now have - Once.

“With Once, we’re taking that responsibility on ourselves, and are hand-picking great people for London’s time-starved daters.
With the right matches lined up you’ll have time to continue with your day as normal and know that you’ll have a hand-picked date
delivered to your inbox every 24 hours.”

http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...607044241?sv=edab563c4cc66c3f75f2c7fa6d7fdf96



Hipster git should realize no chick is going to appreciate him having larger ear ornaments than she does... :dodgy:
 

Renzy

Pelican
Catholic
ryanf said:
“For young women the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality,” says Elizabeth Armstrong, a professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who specializes in sexuality and gender. “Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to puzzle out why women have made more strides in the public arena than in the private arena.”

I don't want a relationship. No means no bitch.

I'm guessing the author has never considered what her quote sounds like in reverse:

For young men the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality,” says Elizabeth Strongarm, a professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who specializes in sexuality and gender. “Young men complain that young women still have the power to decide when something is going to be sexual and when something is not—they can go, ‘He’s friendzone material, he’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to puzzle out why men have made more strides in the public arena than in the private arena."
 

saoconrado40

 
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I love it how feminists are shocked at all of this...

Honestly, how can a guy respect a skank that is on Tinder all day trawling for cock?

Want to be treated like a lady? Act like one. Act like a whore, you will be treated accordingly by men

Tinderellas are not and never will be "girlfriend material"... they are just skanks for easy sex, nothing more, nothing less
 

Nonpareil

Pelican
Agnostic
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saoconrado40 said:
I love it how feminists are shocked at all of this...

Honestly, how can a guy respect a skank that is on Tinder all day trawling for cock?

Want to be treated like a lady? Act like one. Act like a whore, you will be treated accordingly by men

Tinderellas are not and never will be "girlfriend material"... they are just skanks for easy sex, nothing more, nothing less

One of the most frustrating things about women. I was talking to one the other day (I don't live in North America) - a massive slut with an unattractive face but a nice body.

Her: 'I'm tired of meeting guys who just want a fling!'
Me: 'If you're tired of guys using you just for sex, stop having sex with guys who just want to use you for sex!'
Her: 'But it always feels different and I never know! Guys shouldn't get to just call girls sluts!'
Me: 'So you want to be able to do whatever you want...and no one is allowed to criticize you for it? That's healthy.'

She didn't grasp my logic and thought I was 'shaming' her - as a Feminist, to her the idea that any woman anywhere (read: but not in poor countries) can't do whatever the hell she wants to whenever the hell she wants to is 'wrong' and 'oppressive'. At no point in time did I or have I tried to bang her (she did like me a while back though). You want men to stop treating you like a sequence of holes to put their cock into? Maybe don't do things like take him home on the first night or blow him in the toilets two hours after you and him met.

Men are and always have been the faster-evolving sex.

And that's the crux of this article - Men who don't 'man up' and take women seriously as potential relationship partners - when the women themselves are putting themselves out there to be sportfucked by 30+ guys a year on an app designed to locate quick and easy sex - are 'fuckboys' (ugh...what a dumbshit term) who 'need to man up and treat women with more respect!'. Women, who of their own accord make these decisions are always the innocent victims. Why haven't women made gains in 'the private sphere' like they have in the public sphere? Because the private sphere can't be subjected to constant regulation and affirmative action and 'fairness quotas'.

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A few friends of mine in Toronto swear by Tinder. Can anyone attest? Knowing the average appearance, demeanor, personality and standards of the typical Toronto girl...can it really be that good?
 

Aurini

Ostrich
It's hilarious/sad/terrifying that women are complaining about having casual sex, while using an app that was inspired by Grindr - a gay app for anonymous sex.

51% of the electorate, gentlemen.
 
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