Top ten red flags

Parmesan

Woodpecker
It means you need to accept a woman with red flags or be alone. Unless you're a Chad.
That is the reality. After reading some of these lists, I don’t know where you guys think you are going to find these women. They only really exist in insular, ultra conservative small towns, and even then, the window to meet them without being a creeper on high school girls is tiny. Super trad, virgin women will be in a rush to marry out of high school, or otherwise slip off to college and shed their modesty.
 

SingularityOne

Robin
Orthodox
@SingularityOne : what about not telling lies / acceptance dogma?

Lying: Telling the truth about the world is hard. Not telling lies about yourself is even harder. For all their faults, it is refreshing that women are instinctively repulsed by gamma men (alpha pretension without alpha goods). Gammas lie (who is the father of lies?). Gammas are allergic to physical conflict (where there is a real cost to be paid for convictions). Gammas tell you what you want to hear but plot behind your back. Gammas are outwardly repulsive because they are inwardly very ugly: spirituality, they exhanged the Truth for a lie. The best way to improve in this world (and the next) is to begin loving and defending Truth.

Acceptance dogma: This is the current inversion of morality that seeks to punish truthtelling in the name of "equity." Examples: fat acceptance, various sexual deviants, etc... Problem: excellence and the Good are very hierarchical. Acceptance dogma does the same spiritually as communism did materially: it reduces things down to a grey, formless blob (hell-on-earth).
Yeah, it seems like the gamma is a hypocrite at heart that wants to be viewed by others as good without actually having integrity. Kind of like the Pharisees if I’m thinking about it.

It seems the proper way to view acceptance is to accept Truth (who is Christ) and His Providence and being conformed to Him in His commandments (how we love Him) and trusting that His Providence is just and meeciful even if I don’t feel it to be so.
Do you think there is a strong/healthy form of acceptance that is not inverted like the scum that is the “acceptance dogma” you speak of above?
 

Magnus Stout

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Do you think there is a strong/healthy form of acceptance that is not inverted
Good comment.

Yes, we should see life as the gift that it is (warts and all). The earth is a school for the soul. God has a purpose and plan for everyone. Thus, see every challenge as an opportunity to learn and grow.

The evil spiritual purpose behind acceptance dogma is to placate the person so they cannot experience growth. It infantilizes victims and paralyzes others through thought-crime. Satan is ultimately at war for the souls of Men. Failure to learn and grow from our lot in life can lead to a hardened heart (and spiritual death).

Think back to that last video: the man born without limbs. He was suicidal until he learned to accept his lot in life and see his challenges as opportunities. If he can do it, we all can.
 
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SingularityOne

Robin
Orthodox
Good comment.

Yes, we should see life as the gift that it is (warts and all). The earth is a school for the soul. God has a purpose and plan for everyone. Thus, see every challenge as an opportunity to learn and grow.

The evil spiritual purpose behind acceptance dogma is to placate the person so they cannot experience growth. It infantilizes victims and paralyzes others through thought-crime. Satan is ultimately at war for the souls of Men. Failure to learn and grow from our lot in life can lead to a hardened heart (and spiritual death).

Think back to that last video: the man born without limbs. He was suicidal until he learned to accept his lot in life and see his challenges as opportunities. If he can do it, we all can.
Fantastic. I agree. Thank you for your wisdom brother. I was greatly edified by it. May God help us endure meaningfully as we become more like Him through His grace and mercy.
 
That is the reality. After reading some of these lists, I don’t know where you guys think you are going to find these women. They only really exist in insular, ultra conservative small towns, and even then, the window to meet them without being a creeper on high school girls is tiny. Super trad, virgin women will be in a rush to marry out of high school, or otherwise slip off to college and shed their modesty.
I would even say the most ideal women aren't in those very rural places. My church is very conservative and we are in the heart of evil/liberalism. We are strong BECAUSE we have this local opposition. We are sharpened because of it. And the females in my church are pretty much all trad, modest, would make great wives. Maybe 25 percent are older and have lived in a lot of sin, like me, but they are repentant. I am single just because I am not ready for marriage, not because there aren't options.

The very rural, conservative places seem like they would be full of prospective wives but the truth is more that their faith isn't very strong because they haven't been tested. When temptations come around, they will jump ship.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from these kinds of girls as they are certainly better than 90 % of city girls, but just saying that it is the diamonds in the rough that are the real prizes.
 
That is the reality. After reading some of these lists, I don’t know where you guys think you are going to find these women. They only really exist in insular, ultra conservative small towns, and even then, the window to meet them without being a creeper on high school girls is tiny. Super trad, virgin women will be in a rush to marry out of high school, or otherwise slip off to college and shed their modesty.
Where I live, there are christian communities (protestants and Catholics) where there are adult virgin christian women waiting to get courted and find a husband but they are usually ugly and/or super exigent. The pretty ones are taken fast by christian chads.

The best options are to better your self financially and physically and try to be part of based christian communities. The good thing about christian women though is that you don't need game impress them since they are supposed to be courted not picked up.
 
Kind of a blend of a few of yours, I think the biggest question is, can she handle a true blue Christian church service? One that will preach a Bible believing (conservative) message? No doubt good preaching will cause offense to the brainwashed masses, but if she will at least stick around with an open mind and afterward have a good conversation with you about it, then she could be a wife. If not, then no way.

The second for me might if she's obsessed with her career. I don't want my wife working at all - maybe a few hours a week helping with kids or volunteering in a kitchen, something feminine in nature that gives her that community vibe they need so much.
That's why I basically only care about two things regarding women for marriage: how christian she is and how pretty she is. Everything else is secondary to me.

The exception being is of how much she loves me. When a woman really loves a man she will take his beliefs.
 
1. Any indications that she's into druggie culture, such as often changing her hair color in non-traditional shades (red, green, blue, etc)

2. Has ever worked as a stripper

3. Has pierced nipples.

Number 3 is actually a fairly significant tell in my experience. I don't know what it is about it, but 100% of the women I've met who had pierced nipples were flaky, into drugs, promiscuous, and/or materialistic. Since the members of this forum don't believe in premarital sex, I guess you'll have to check for #3 by seeing how she looks in a swimsuit or by asking her in the tone of a fun question, "So, do you have any tattoos or piercings"?

What is your view of women with pierced tongues? How bad is that?
 
1. If she uses vulgar and insulting language regularly that's a huge red flag.

2. If she dated much older men who do not match her sexual market place value, she is most likely materialist.

3. If she is prone to anger quickly, she may be bipolar and lack the happy gene.
 

TheLongGame

Chicken
Orthodox
Sharing this story here cause I dont have posting privileges yet but need to get this off my chest:



Match on Tinder with some 21 year old. Okay sure she's young but that's not always a problem in this part of the world. More importantly: tall, slender, very good looking, no tattoos, no piercings, tasteful photos, in school (starting grad school this year in something reasonable).

I'm traveling back and forth so we text for about two weeks. Everything good, she says she's not a party girl, doesn't drink, isn't vaxxed, has a good relationship with her father and mother (not divorced) and generally hints at looking for something serious. She lives a few hours from me, but I have friends in her town so I tell her I'm looking to drop by very soon over there and we can meet face to face. She is very enthusiastic about this.

Fast forward to the first date: all goes very smooth. We like each other very much, she's shy, timid and feminine, seems like she has long-term potential. I take her out to a nice resto, walk along the beach, light kiss goodnight, tell her I can see her in a couple of days again. Only thing that came out is that when I asked her why she didn't drink she said "I used to but then... something happened." I assume the typical story of getting drunk and having a regret-filled one-night stand. It doesn't really shock me as long as she has clearly learned from her experience. I give a knowing laugher and paid it no further mind.

Second date, we go bowling and arcades. She bumps into a number of kids she sees at her job as an animator at a summer camp, she seems extremely motherly and caring. I really felt like I was starting to fall in love.

Then we go for a walk downtown. She bumps into an old friend of hers who was wearing her stewardess uniform. I understand she used to work as a stewardess herself. This sends a very small potential alarm in my head cause young stewardesses are somewhat known for being "free spirits" when they're hopping destinations.

We continue our walk and she tells me she has to go to a friend's party in a few hours. I say:

Me: "Cool, is it a birthday party?"
Her: "Not quite"
Me: "Oh? What is it then?"
Her: [pause, she didn't want to answer but I playfully proded] "It's kind of like an anniversary"
Me: "Wedding anniversary?"
Her: "More like celebrating her 1 year of sobriety"
Me: "Oh so she was an alcoholic?"
Her: "No it was... Meth" [red flag for sure at this point]
Me: "Oh you have friends who were on Meth, you hang out with cool people then" [Sarcasm]
Her: "Yeah haha.."
Me: [At this point I feel due diligence is in order] "So let me ask you, have you ever had a boyfriend before?"
Her: "Nothing serious" [red flag]
Me: "Oh okay so just... casual stuff?"
Her: "Yeah exactly" [Yellow alarm has now been set off, but she's just 21 years old, how bad can it be]
Me: At this point I pull the inevitable question I have gotten used to ask: "Ok cool. No problem, so let's be real, how many men have you been with?"
Her: [pause] "Uhhh... not sure I can answer"
Me: "It's all good, don't worry, I'm not judgemental" [lie on my part but I need to get the info]
Her: "Well actually... I'm not sure"
Me: "No need to be an exact number, just approximately"
Her: "No well I mean I don't remember" [Red alarm]
Me: "What? Just throw out some interval, between this and this number"
Her: "[Pause] I think somewhere between 100 and 200"
Me: "Hahaha, you're funny. Nice one"
Her: "No...it's not a joke"

My heart sank, I got dizzy. We were holding hands and I just became extremely stiff and let go. She tried to find my hand again but it was limp. I asked her how this was possible, she said that she herself was on meth for over a year but she's turned a new leaf and has been clean for a year save a relapse in may. Says she doesn't remember all the guys that banged her while she was high.

I can just imagine her getting thrown around the room like a sock for anonymous meth heads to cum in, condom use not obligatory. Or her blowing dudes for a hit. I feel like throwing up at this point.

I told her I needed to sit down. We found a cafe. She tells me not to worry, that she's not the person she used to be. She had an almost defiant smile and seemed surprised at my extremely visible disappointment that I did not try to hide. After making sure she wasn't fucking with me, I wished her good luck and parted ways.

TL;DR: Sometimes the red flags aren't that obvious at first... Do your due diligence, but you might still get trust issues.
 

SingularityOne

Robin
Orthodox
Sharing this story here cause I dont have posting privileges yet but need to get this off my chest:



Match on Tinder with some 21 year old. Okay sure she's young but that's not always a problem in this part of the world. More importantly: tall, slender, very good looking, no tattoos, no piercings, tasteful photos, in school (starting grad school this year in something reasonable).

I'm traveling back and forth so we text for about two weeks. Everything good, she says she's not a party girl, doesn't drink, isn't vaxxed, has a good relationship with her father and mother (not divorced) and generally hints at looking for something serious. She lives a few hours from me, but I have friends in her town so I tell her I'm looking to drop by very soon over there and we can meet face to face. She is very enthusiastic about this.

Fast forward to the first date: all goes very smooth. We like each other very much, she's shy, timid and feminine, seems like she has long-term potential. I take her out to a nice resto, walk along the beach, light kiss goodnight, tell her I can see her in a couple of days again. Only thing that came out is that when I asked her why she didn't drink she said "I used to but then... something happened." I assume the typical story of getting drunk and having a regret-filled one-night stand. It doesn't really shock me as long as she has clearly learned from her experience. I give a knowing laugher and paid it no further mind.

Second date, we go bowling and arcades. She bumps into a number of kids she sees at her job as an animator at a summer camp, she seems extremely motherly and caring. I really felt like I was starting to fall in love.

Then we go for a walk downtown. She bumps into an old friend of hers who was wearing her stewardess uniform. I understand she used to work as a stewardess herself. This sends a very small potential alarm in my head cause young stewardesses are somewhat known for being "free spirits" when they're hopping destinations.

We continue our walk and she tells me she has to go to a friend's party in a few hours. I say:

Me: "Cool, is it a birthday party?"
Her: "Not quite"
Me: "Oh? What is it then?"
Her: [pause, she didn't want to answer but I playfully proded] "It's kind of like an anniversary"
Me: "Wedding anniversary?"
Her: "More like celebrating her 1 year of sobriety"
Me: "Oh so she was an alcoholic?"
Her: "No it was... Meth" [red flag for sure at this point]
Me: "Oh you have friends who were on Meth, you hang out with cool people then" [Sarcasm]
Her: "Yeah haha.."
Me: [At this point I feel due diligence is in order] "So let me ask you, have you ever had a boyfriend before?"
Her: "Nothing serious" [red flag]
Me: "Oh okay so just... casual stuff?"
Her: "Yeah exactly" [Yellow alarm has now been set off, but she's just 21 years old, how bad can it be]
Me: At this point I pull the inevitable question I have gotten used to ask: "Ok cool. No problem, so let's be real, how many men have you been with?"
Her: [pause] "Uhhh... not sure I can answer"
Me: "It's all good, don't worry, I'm not judgemental" [lie on my part but I need to get the info]
Her: "Well actually... I'm not sure"
Me: "No need to be an exact number, just approximately"
Her: "No well I mean I don't remember" [Red alarm]
Me: "What? Just throw out some interval, between this and this number"
Her: "[Pause] I think somewhere between 100 and 200"
Me: "Hahaha, you're funny. Nice one"
Her: "No...it's not a joke"

My heart sank, I got dizzy. We were holding hands and I just became extremely stiff and let go. She tried to find my hand again but it was limp. I asked her how this was possible, she said that she herself was on meth for over a year but she's turned a new leaf and has been clean for a year save a relapse in may. Says she doesn't remember all the guys that banged her while she was high.

I can just imagine her getting thrown around the room like a sock for anonymous meth heads to cum in, condom use not obligatory. Or her blowing dudes for a hit. I feel like throwing up at this point.

I told her I needed to sit down. We found a cafe. She tells me not to worry, that she's not the person she used to be. She had an almost defiant smile and seemed surprised at my extremely visible disappointment that I did not try to hide. After making sure she wasn't fucking with me, I wished her good luck and parted ways.

TL;DR: Sometimes the red flags aren't that obvious at first... Do your due diligence, but you might still get trust issues.
Thanks for sharing brother. That’s difficult to go through. Thank God you learned about this earlier rather than later. It’s hard to spot these flags.
 

Aizen

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Sharing this story here cause I dont have posting privileges yet but need to get this off my chest:



Match on Tinder with some 21 year old. Okay sure she's young but that's not always a problem in this part of the world. More importantly: tall, slender, very good looking, no tattoos, no piercings, tasteful photos, in school (starting grad school this year in something reasonable).

I'm traveling back and forth so we text for about two weeks. Everything good, she says she's not a party girl, doesn't drink, isn't vaxxed, has a good relationship with her father and mother (not divorced) and generally hints at looking for something serious. She lives a few hours from me, but I have friends in her town so I tell her I'm looking to drop by very soon over there and we can meet face to face. She is very enthusiastic about this.

Fast forward to the first date: all goes very smooth. We like each other very much, she's shy, timid and feminine, seems like she has long-term potential. I take her out to a nice resto, walk along the beach, light kiss goodnight, tell her I can see her in a couple of days again. Only thing that came out is that when I asked her why she didn't drink she said "I used to but then... something happened." I assume the typical story of getting drunk and having a regret-filled one-night stand. It doesn't really shock me as long as she has clearly learned from her experience. I give a knowing laugher and paid it no further mind.

Second date, we go bowling and arcades. She bumps into a number of kids she sees at her job as an animator at a summer camp, she seems extremely motherly and caring. I really felt like I was starting to fall in love.

Then we go for a walk downtown. She bumps into an old friend of hers who was wearing her stewardess uniform. I understand she used to work as a stewardess herself. This sends a very small potential alarm in my head cause young stewardesses are somewhat known for being "free spirits" when they're hopping destinations.

We continue our walk and she tells me she has to go to a friend's party in a few hours. I say:

Me: "Cool, is it a birthday party?"
Her: "Not quite"
Me: "Oh? What is it then?"
Her: [pause, she didn't want to answer but I playfully proded] "It's kind of like an anniversary"
Me: "Wedding anniversary?"
Her: "More like celebrating her 1 year of sobriety"
Me: "Oh so she was an alcoholic?"
Her: "No it was... Meth" [red flag for sure at this point]
Me: "Oh you have friends who were on Meth, you hang out with cool people then" [Sarcasm]
Her: "Yeah haha.."
Me: [At this point I feel due diligence is in order] "So let me ask you, have you ever had a boyfriend before?"
Her: "Nothing serious" [red flag]
Me: "Oh okay so just... casual stuff?"
Her: "Yeah exactly" [Yellow alarm has now been set off, but she's just 21 years old, how bad can it be]
Me: At this point I pull the inevitable question I have gotten used to ask: "Ok cool. No problem, so let's be real, how many men have you been with?"
Her: [pause] "Uhhh... not sure I can answer"
Me: "It's all good, don't worry, I'm not judgemental" [lie on my part but I need to get the info]
Her: "Well actually... I'm not sure"
Me: "No need to be an exact number, just approximately"
Her: "No well I mean I don't remember" [Red alarm]
Me: "What? Just throw out some interval, between this and this number"
Her: "[Pause] I think somewhere between 100 and 200"
Me: "Hahaha, you're funny. Nice one"
Her: "No...it's not a joke"

My heart sank, I got dizzy. We were holding hands and I just became extremely stiff and let go. She tried to find my hand again but it was limp. I asked her how this was possible, she said that she herself was on meth for over a year but she's turned a new leaf and has been clean for a year save a relapse in may. Says she doesn't remember all the guys that banged her while she was high.

I can just imagine her getting thrown around the room like a sock for anonymous meth heads to cum in, condom use not obligatory. Or her blowing dudes for a hit. I feel like throwing up at this point.

I told her I needed to sit down. We found a cafe. She tells me not to worry, that she's not the person she used to be. She had an almost defiant smile and seemed surprised at my extremely visible disappointment that I did not try to hide. After making sure she wasn't fucking with me, I wished her good luck and parted ways.

TL;DR: Sometimes the red flags aren't that obvious at first... Do your due diligence, but you might still get trust issues.
Whoa...
 

Solitarius

Sparrow
Sharing this story here cause I dont have posting privileges yet but need to get this off my chest:



Match on Tinder with some 21 year old. Okay sure she's young but that's not always a problem in this part of the world. More importantly: tall, slender, very good looking, no tattoos, no piercings, tasteful photos, in school (starting grad school this year in something reasonable).

I'm traveling back and forth so we text for about two weeks. Everything good, she says she's not a party girl, doesn't drink, isn't vaxxed, has a good relationship with her father and mother (not divorced) and generally hints at looking for something serious. She lives a few hours from me, but I have friends in her town so I tell her I'm looking to drop by very soon over there and we can meet face to face. She is very enthusiastic about this.

Fast forward to the first date: all goes very smooth. We like each other very much, she's shy, timid and feminine, seems like she has long-term potential. I take her out to a nice resto, walk along the beach, light kiss goodnight, tell her I can see her in a couple of days again. Only thing that came out is that when I asked her why she didn't drink she said "I used to but then... something happened." I assume the typical story of getting drunk and having a regret-filled one-night stand. It doesn't really shock me as long as she has clearly learned from her experience. I give a knowing laugher and paid it no further mind.

Second date, we go bowling and arcades. She bumps into a number of kids she sees at her job as an animator at a summer camp, she seems extremely motherly and caring. I really felt like I was starting to fall in love.

Then we go for a walk downtown. She bumps into an old friend of hers who was wearing her stewardess uniform. I understand she used to work as a stewardess herself. This sends a very small potential alarm in my head cause young stewardesses are somewhat known for being "free spirits" when they're hopping destinations.

We continue our walk and she tells me she has to go to a friend's party in a few hours. I say:

Me: "Cool, is it a birthday party?"
Her: "Not quite"
Me: "Oh? What is it then?"
Her: [pause, she didn't want to answer but I playfully proded] "It's kind of like an anniversary"
Me: "Wedding anniversary?"
Her: "More like celebrating her 1 year of sobriety"
Me: "Oh so she was an alcoholic?"
Her: "No it was... Meth" [red flag for sure at this point]
Me: "Oh you have friends who were on Meth, you hang out with cool people then" [Sarcasm]
Her: "Yeah haha.."
Me: [At this point I feel due diligence is in order] "So let me ask you, have you ever had a boyfriend before?"
Her: "Nothing serious" [red flag]
Me: "Oh okay so just... casual stuff?"
Her: "Yeah exactly" [Yellow alarm has now been set off, but she's just 21 years old, how bad can it be]
Me: At this point I pull the inevitable question I have gotten used to ask: "Ok cool. No problem, so let's be real, how many men have you been with?"
Her: [pause] "Uhhh... not sure I can answer"
Me: "It's all good, don't worry, I'm not judgemental" [lie on my part but I need to get the info]
Her: "Well actually... I'm not sure"
Me: "No need to be an exact number, just approximately"
Her: "No well I mean I don't remember" [Red alarm]
Me: "What? Just throw out some interval, between this and this number"
Her: "[Pause] I think somewhere between 100 and 200"
Me: "Hahaha, you're funny. Nice one"
Her: "No...it's not a joke"

My heart sank, I got dizzy. We were holding hands and I just became extremely stiff and let go. She tried to find my hand again but it was limp. I asked her how this was possible, she said that she herself was on meth for over a year but she's turned a new leaf and has been clean for a year save a relapse in may. Says she doesn't remember all the guys that banged her while she was high.

I can just imagine her getting thrown around the room like a sock for anonymous meth heads to cum in, condom use not obligatory. Or her blowing dudes for a hit. I feel like throwing up at this point.

I told her I needed to sit down. We found a cafe. She tells me not to worry, that she's not the person she used to be. She had an almost defiant smile and seemed surprised at my extremely visible disappointment that I did not try to hide. After making sure she wasn't fucking with me, I wished her good luck and parted ways.

TL;DR: Sometimes the red flags aren't that obvious at first... Do your due diligence, but you might still get trust issues.
This sort of thing makes one understand why they keep women on a short leash in the middle east. Those who would say this is barbaric would do well to remember that they weren't allowed to roam wild & free in Christian countries either when those still existed. This modern "freedom" is sheer lunacy, rather like giving a small child a loaded revolver to play with; what do you think is going to happen?
 

DR14

Chicken
1) Is not adamantly against abortion
2) Hates her father
3) Has an obsession with dogs/cats
4) A wine addict
5) Has male friends
6) Has sexually promiscuous friends
7) Is not attentive to you
8) Gets angry easily
9) Does not seem to care about marriage/family
10) She is active on social media

Bonus: She dresses loud
 
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