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Sparrow
Epstein was a BILLIONAIRE! Way wealthier than some guy with 5 million in assets thinking he's a player lol. It would be easy for him to offer mom or dad a month of two worth of their salary for their daughter to spend some of their summer vacation with them. I have no idea where you get the 200$ number from. And people are less wealthy now than they were 20 years ago, dollar purchasing power is lower and consumerism is higher. So its not much of a stretch to think of people being more willing to pimp their children.


I also think there is less distrust of the rich, because I know a ton of people who think they have a shot at joining them. I mean, guys who are unemployed in their 40s, no education, thinking they will be 1%ers. Also things like reality tv and social media make the ultra wealthy accessible, and more familiar. This fools people into thinking they are trustworthy.
 

bucky

Pelican
If you get check out websites like fightthenewdrug, or even the NoFap reddit subforum, you will see that pornography consumption among women is rising, but still not talked about. And remember 50 shades of Grey from 10 years ago? It was just pornography, just OK in the mainstream. Women used to read that book in public.

EDIT: Dr.BlackPill Its because the media lionizes it, their dads are too emasculated or absent or porn addicted themselves to stop it, and there are fewer economic opportunities for all people in the western world. A lot of these girls don't have skills that would make a comfortable life and they have been taught since infancy to be independent women, and since she doesn't wanna grind for 20 years to get somewhere she can make a killing taking pictures of herself for sad sacks on the internet.

Also I bet you 1 million dollars the parents of the girls who went to Epstein's island knew something was up, but were either offered money or hoped to get a hush payment. Or maybe the moms were gold diggers and the fathers were not allowed to raise their daughters.
Good point, 50 Shades of Grey is probably part of the equation. Supposedly the second biggest selling book of all time after the Bible, and the Bible has quite a head start on it. 50SoG did probably go a long way toward getting women to be as shamelessly exhibitionist as they are today.

As far as the families of the Epstein girls knowing and getting paid off, probably there's something there too. I spent a lot of time working in the third world when I was single and one of my coworkers got busted for buying underage girls off of their desperately poor families. As horrible as it is, it's my understanding that selling off surplus daughters you can't feed is very common in third world countries, but when the price is right it probably happens in the first world too.
 

Dr. Black Pill

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Epstein was a BILLIONAIRE! Way wealthier than some guy with 5 million in assets thinking he's a player lol. It would be easy for him to offer mom or dad a month of two worth of their salary for their daughter to spend some of their summer vacation with them. I have no idea where you get the 200$ number from.

I received that number from the news reports where the girls said they were offered as little as $200. He wasn't paying them millions. Or even thousands. He was paying them a couple hundred dollars. Maxwell herself referred to the girls as "trash" which is of course how the rich view the little poor girls they exploit.


And people are less wealthy now than they were 20 years ago,

Why is that? Twenty years ago, most parents owned a house and could afford to send their kids to university.

dollar purchasing power is lower and consumerism is higher.

Consumerism?

So its not much of a stretch to think of people being more willing to pimp their children.

This would have been unheard of even in 1995, in the first world.

The US seems to be a third-world country where a few crony capitalists exploit desperately poor people. What happened during the Bush era? Was it the trillions spend on war? Was it the stagnation of wages compared to cost of living? Was it the manufacturing?


I also think there is less distrust of the rich, because I know a ton of people who think they have a shot at joining them.

I'm a graphic artist and that was more possible in the days of the tech boom than now. For example, I moved out of my parents house at age 19 and by 25 was employed in Dubai. That would be rare these days. Twenty years ago, many Gen X were living other countries by the age of 25 making 80 K a year.

Hell, back in 1990 the average 30 year old owned a McMansion. It was rare for someone not to own a house at age 30 back when I was young.

I mean, guys who are unemployed in their 40s, no education, thinking they will be 1%ers.

You might as well commit Hari-Kari should you have no education, no job history and be in your forties. Especially in the US with so many immigrants.

Also things like reality tv and social media make the ultra wealthy accessible, and more familiar. This fools people into thinking they are trustworthy.

Gen Y here probably don't remember that the Kardashian girls are the daughters of a murder accomplice. Kardashian probably disposed of OJ's bloody clothes and knife-that is almost certain-but he may also have held Goldman's arms while OJ stabbed him to death. There was a great deal of evidence to suggest Kardashian participated in that murder, or was at the very least complicit.

And someone wants to watch their show?
 

Dr. Black Pill

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...When you rented porn from the video store everyone looked at you funny because you'd been beating off to porn. To actually rent a porno meant going to the girl at the check out and more or less everyone knowing you were beating off to porn.

...Sex stores where the real hardcore stuff was sold were in the hood. They were dangerous areas full of crackheads and hookers. Sometimes perverts there would come on to you.

...Masturbation in grown men used to be considered pathetic. A man who was an adult was expected to have a sexual relationship with a woman instead of beating off. It was considered abnormal for man of 25 to masturbate, he was expected to be in a sexual relationship.

...Nobody who masturbated bragged about it. Nobody bragged they'd stopped beating off for 8 days. Someone who did that 25 years ago would have been a social pariah. Masturbation in itself was for losers.

...It seems like more men could get laid 25 years ago and less women wanted to be part of some Chad's harem. No woman wanted to be a side chick. Monogamous relationships were the norm.
 

bucky

Pelican
...When you rented porn from the video store everyone looked at you funny because you'd been beating off to porn. To actually rent a porno meant going to the girl at the check out and more or less everyone knowing you were beating off to porn.

...Sex stores where the real hardcore stuff was sold were in the hood. They were dangerous areas full of crackheads and hookers. Sometimes perverts there would come on to you.

...Masturbation in grown men used to be considered pathetic. A man who was an adult was expected to have a sexual relationship with a woman instead of beating off. It was considered abnormal for man of 25 to masturbate, he was expected to be in a sexual relationship.

...Nobody who masturbated bragged about it. Nobody bragged they'd stopped beating off for 8 days. Someone who did that 25 years ago would have been a social pariah. Masturbation in itself was for losers.

...It seems like more men could get laid 25 years ago and less women wanted to be part of some Chad's harem. No woman wanted to be a side chick. Monogamous relationships were the norm.
Pretty good assessment. I remember those times well and yet it seems almost like another world now, like it would be a bit hard to believe if I hadn't experienced it myself.
 
I was a kid before the Internet was used by ordinary people. I didn't know pornography existed until I was around adolescence. I never saw the show Baywatch, but I saw commercials and knew a few kids who watched it. It was just an excuse to watch attractive women in bikinis run on the beach. It was a pin-up calendar in motion.

The first porn I saw was on HBO. There was a show where women danced by a pool. We didn't get HBO, but if you turned to the channel you would see static. If you watched at the right time, you might see a distorted glimpse of a breast for a slip second. I felt really guilty about this, and pathetic for wasting an hour in front of TV static waiting to see a breast. I remember hearing jokes about people who did this.

My friend said he found a playboy magazine by the garbage, and we tried to look for it but couldn't find it.

So the stuff up until this point was tame and hard to get compared to what we have now. People would make jokes about porn stores and the guys who went there. People saw them as pathetic creeps.

When the Internet came out, there were a few porn sites and you could download still images of naked women. It would take 10 minutes to download one picture. Then there were animated gifs that would take about as long. Then video but it would take an hour to download a 3 second, tiny clip, and your connection might disconnect during the process making you have to start over. The company also limited the amount of time you could use the Internet in a month. I remember the videos being naked women or straight forward sex, as opposed to the weirder stuff. There was gay stuff, though. There wasn't as much choice. I remember visiting sites and seeing the same stuff again and again.

It was bad, but you still had to be somewhat dedicated. There were no smart phones and often computers were in a family room. I learned about a group of guys, probably around 15 or so, we would watch pornography together. I guess there was a time when the parents weren't home. I thought that was really gross.

In high school, before smart phones, some girls took photographs of themselves nude or kissing other girls (being lesbians for shock value I think), and they got passed around.

Then the videos got faster to download, and suddenly there were countless sites. I think more people had their own computers, but laptops still were expensive. When the smart phones came out, I think that's when things got worse really fast.

Fortunately I stopped pornography use. I really hope I never go back to it. I feel sorry for these boys and girls who stumble across this unlimited hard core, high definition pornography on their personal phones at such young ages when they don't have role models to warm them, or help guiding them toward marriage.

...Masturbation in grown men used to be considered pathetic. A man who was an adult was expected to have a sexual relationship with a woman instead of beating off. It was considered abnormal for man of 25 to masturbate, he was expected to be in a sexual relationship.
This is true. I personally think it's far worse to be unmarried and in a sexual relationship than to be single and masturbate occasionally not to pornography. So I don't think the values were right. I think it would be best to be married, but our society stopped raising children in preparation for marriage. Girls aren't taught to be feminine and men aren't taught to be masculine. Sex is just something people think you do for fun with someone else until you get bored of them. Feminism has led women to think they don't need men. Neither men or women are taught how to approach or behave in a marriage.

We need to return to helping guide young people toward marriage. I'm not saying we 100% arranged marriages, but I think it should be a primary concern of families and communities. We should know our young people, and help them find another person of the opposite sex whom they would be comparable with.
 

Dr. Black Pill

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How could you be a kid when Baywatch was on television and when the internet was slow-your references would make you born in 1983-but you remembered high school girls taking cell pics in Lesbian acts (Smart phones came out 10 years ago and you would have been 28 by then.

Well, maybe I have your reference points mixed up.

Lesbian sex is an example of how astonishingly quickly the MSM can make something publicly acceptable. In 1990, lesbianism was considered a gross thing and by the end of the decade women who would have called Lesbians "dykes" in 1990 were all professing to be bisexual.

Also, it was a white female trend. This is because blacks, Asians, Arabs and other races of women are not as easily manipulated by the media as whites. There is some cultural anchor in their traditions that prevents the mass media from convincing them to degrade themselves.

Lesbianism was the first example of a porn trend-an obsession a few male viewers had-entering the mainstream and taking control.
 
How could you be a kid when Baywatch was on television and when the internet was slow-your references would make you born in 1983-but you remembered high school girls taking cell pics in Lesbian acts (Smart phones came out 10 years ago and you would have been 28 by then.
I'd rather not say exactly when I was born, but I'm on the older side I suppose. Maybe it doesn't matter if I say my age. I have to think about it. I feel like I was hearing about Baywatch when it was in reruns, but I'm not sure.

Regarding the photos, I'm assuming they were taken with a digital camera, the kind you would put an SD card in and then print out. They could have been film cameras, I suppose, if they knew someone who could develop them and not get them in trouble. Some were printed on glossy photo paper, and others were on regular computer paper. The glossy photo ones looked like film quality to me.

I recall some goth kids in class were talking about taking photos of their... anuses. Sorry to be gross. It was gross and I saw a brief glimpse of it because I was sitting behind them and they were flashing them around. I remember thinking why would you violate yourself like that? I was looking at pornography at that age, so I'm not saying I'm better than others, but... I just remember feeling depressed. I hated sitting behind them.

Regarding the lesbians, there were guys involved in taking photos of the girls I think. The girls weren't really lesbians I think. They were just doing it because the guys apparently liked it or said they did. There weren't any out lesbians in my school at that time. These were popular kids, not the "weirdo" kids. The girls were really angry when the photos were passed around.

Some guy once brought a print-out of the character Lara Croft from Tomb Raider without a shirt on. Back then, characters were weird blocky polygons. He carried it in his pocket and was showing people in class. He wasn't an "incel" video game guy. He was really popular.

I remember another very popular student printing off a nude image of a woman, and forcing a nerdy autistic kid to look at it.

So around this time I guess people starting getting printers and digital cameras.

High school was weird and depressing.
 

Dr. Black Pill

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I'd rather not say exactly when I was born, but I'm on the older side I suppose. Maybe it doesn't matter if I say my age. I have to think about it. I feel like I was hearing about Baywatch when it was in reruns, but I'm not sure.

To me, a Gen X born in 1974 Gen Y is interesting. Maybe because there is such a seismic shift.

Regarding the photos, I'm assuming they were taken with a digital camera, the kind you would put an SD card in and then print out. They could have been film cameras, I suppose, if they knew someone who could develop them and not get them in trouble. Some were printed on glossy photo paper, and others were on regular computer paper. The glossy photo ones looked like film quality to me.

Well, I see your point. Digital gave people what they desired. Sex.

I recall some goth kids in class were talking about taking photos of their... anuses. Sorry to be gross. It was gross and I saw a brief glimpse of it because I was sitting behind them and they were flashing them around. I remember thinking why would you violate yourself like that? I was looking at pornography at that age, so I'm not saying I'm better than others, but... I just remember feeling depressed. I hated sitting behind them.

You must be referring to gays. Well, gays do all sorts of depraved things. I was 21 at the height of the Goth thing in 1995 and no Goth chick let anyone take pictures of her anus.

Regarding the lesbians, there were guys involved in taking photos of the girls I think. The girls weren't really lesbians I think.

They never are. Whites-more than other races-regard the MSM as their instructional pamphlet and bisexual chic became a trend. So white women who 10 years earlier would have sneered at dykes adopted a trend. Other races seem to have a cultural anchor.

They were just doing it because the guys apparently liked it or said they did. There weren't any out lesbians in my school at that time. These were popular kids, not the "weirdo" kids.

Popular kids embrace trends. Its what makes them popular.

The girls were really angry when the photos were passed around.

These days with the internet everything you do goes online.

Some guy once brought a print-out of the character Lara Croft from Tomb Raider without a shirt on. Back then, characters were weird blocky polygons. He carried it in his pocket and was showing people in class. He wasn't an "incel" video game guy. He was really popular.

These days kids show Mr Hands on their cell phone. But that is the internet. Its had an effect on every generation coming of age after 1980 or so.

I remember another very popular student printing off a nude image of a woman, and forcing a nerdy autistic kid to look at it.

When I was in high school, males did not have to be forced to look at pictures of naked women. They poured over them.

So around this time I guess people starting getting printers and digital cameras.

High school was weird and depressing.

For you, maybe. To me, 1990 was a glorious era. Men could get laid, buy a house at age 30, there were no homeless on the streets, anybody with a high school diploma could get a decent job, anybody could go to college, nobody was a porn addict...I liked being sixteen. Whites were not demonized, PC was not ruling everyone...
 

Athanasius

Kingfisher
There's no doubt that the elites made a hard push for lesbianism and sodomy in the culture in the late 90s, with Ellen Degeneres being the key flashpoint. That changed everything, along with the later campaigns to punish dissenters like Brendan Eich, the Mormons church, etc., after prop 8. The late 90s was also the time of the "porno chic" fad, where it was trendy to be into "naughty" stuff. You could also say it was your way of supporting the 1st Amendment, as this was also the time period where you had a celebrated and award-winning film touting the despicable Larry Flynt as a freedom fighter.

Only a few degenerates back in the early 90s would have considered sending their kids to a parade with perverted people and degenerates walking around fully nude and wearing codpieces. Now these parades draw hundreds of thousands of people (not this year!). And man, no one back then would've sent their kids to a tranny story hour.
 

Dr. Black Pill

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There's no doubt that the elites made a hard push for lesbianism and sodomy in the culture in the late 90s,

I saw this in the biography of Andrew Cunanan. In the film, Criss was charismatic and sympathetic. In real life, he was a meth-addled serial killer who sold drugs. He had been a gay rentboy for Versace, who gave countless rentboys AIDS and Cunanan believed he contracted AIDS from him. He was seen-as was the gay lifestyle-for what it was in the nineties. A meth and coke-addled AIDS milieu of serial killers like Dahmer and Gacy.


with Ellen Degeneres being the key flashpoint.

I'm old enough to remember Mr. Wrong and other films where she played straight women. She dated Bill Pullman for a period of time. Her homosexuality was hidden in the nineties.

That changed everything, along with the later campaigns to punish dissenters like Brendan Eich, the Mormons church, etc., after prop 8. The late 90s was also the time of the "porno chic" fad,

This started with Boogie Nights. Which ignored that John Holmes was a wife-beater, a pedophile who pimped his underage girlfriend, who contracted AIDS from a male customer as he would allow himself to be sodomized for cocaine, who probably participated in a murder of 4 people.

Also, the nineties was the first time that beautiful women participated in porn. Prior to Jenna Jameson, they were pretty homely.


where it was trendy to be into "naughty" stuff. You could also say it was your way of supporting the 1st Amendment, as this was also the time period where you had a celebrated and award-winning film touting the despicable Larry Flynt as a freedom fighter.

That came out slightly before Boogie Nights-I was 23 then and I came of age during that era-and ignores the fact that Larry Flynt possibly molested his daughter and was a drug addict who happened to inherit a strip club his mother's second husband owned.

BOOGIE NIGHTS and PEOPLE VS LARRY came out of the massive seventies nostalgia of the nineties that started with DAZED AND CONFUSED.


Only a few degenerates back in the early 90s would have considered sending their kids to a parade with perverted people

They'd have been busted by cops in the nineties. These days you go to jail for calling someone a faggot but if you want to show up for a gay parade buck naked when you are a disgusting middle-aged man you're celebrated.



and degenerates walking around fully nude and wearing codpieces. Now these parades draw hundreds of thousands of people

Nowhere better to go?

(not this year!). And man, no one back then would've sent their kids to a tranny story hour.
 

bucky

Pelican
There's no doubt that the elites made a hard push for lesbianism and sodomy in the culture in the late 90s, with Ellen Degeneres being the key flashpoint. That changed everything, along with the later campaigns to punish dissenters like Brendan Eich, the Mormons church, etc., after prop 8. The late 90s was also the time of the "porno chic" fad, where it was trendy to be into "naughty" stuff. You could also say it was your way of supporting the 1st Amendment, as this was also the time period where you had a celebrated and award-winning film touting the despicable Larry Flynt as a freedom fighter.

Only a few degenerates back in the early 90s would have considered sending their kids to a parade with perverted people and degenerates walking around fully nude and wearing codpieces. Now these parades draw hundreds of thousands of people (not this year!). And man, no one back then would've sent their kids to a tranny story hour.
I remember the whole prop 8 thing. One funny thing about it was how the Mormons got all the ire for supporting it, although it never could have passed without a lit of support from black churches.
 

Matianus

Newbie
1) Tattoos
2) Smokes
3) Poor relationship with one or both parents
4) Jaded; never seems to become shy or nervous around you especially in the early days
5) Casually mentions too many ex-boyfriends (high notch count and an inability to hold down a relationship)
6) Feminist (huge red flag)
7) Claims to have been a victim of rape or sexual assault
8) Uses Tumblr buzzwords like "mansplain" without irony
9) Jumps into bed with you too soon
10) Possessiveness or jealousy (cute at the beginning but can become a prison)
11) Has had an abortion
12) Attention-whoring IG account
13) Listens to contemporary rap music and artists like Drake
14) Silent treatment (another big one, hugely manipulative and immature)
15) Is Russian

These are all the red flags that suggest you're dealing with someone who is simply not right for a long-term relationship. Things that I am willing to tolerate as they don't necessarily suggest a dysfunctional person includes leftism (so long as they're not dogmatic about it and we can have debates) and atheism. These are simply intellectual choices the person has made without making them a bad choice for a relationship as far as I'm concerned.
#15 is true. Russian girls are highly intelligent, calculating, and expert liars. They make world-class cheaters. Don't be seduced by her looks and her attempts to 'capture' you. Hopefully more Russians can return to the church and regain the morality that was sucked out of them during the last 100 years during Soviet times, perestroika (and the crazy 1990s, early 2000s, and the recent fall towards westernization.
 

Dr. Black Pill

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You had to be Dubai in 1999 to really see how awash in Russian hookers the place was. It looked like NYC Times Square with Russian girls standing on the sidewalk hawking their stuff to passing cars.
 

murmurmur

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You had to be Dubai in 1999 to really see how awash in Russian hookers the place was. It looked like NYC Times Square with Russian girls standing on the sidewalk hawking their stuff to passing cars.
Do you think the ME is worth moving to in 2020+ (for settling down, and otherwise)? Or is the region unstable?
 

griffinmill

Kingfisher
If you met her back in Russia, she would act sweet, giggle at all your jokes, and learn to cook your favorite food. Same girl -- but different habitat. Buyer beware.
I had my first (and last) experience with a Russian two years ago. Beautiful, sweet, and feminine, but also evil in many respects. I'm not sure if she had some kind of personality disorder, or was just typically Russian. She was a very mixed-up, tortured girl who had the capacity for sweetness and charm. The sexual chemistry we had was depressingly good. I say "depressingly" because I haven't been able to find that level of compatibility again.
 

Matianus

Newbie
Her version of running game was being feminine, sweet, and charming to make you feel like a king. You will start to see cracks in her game after more time passes. But it can be hard to see those cracks once you are enraptured. Underneath her game, she is the same fallen girl you easily meet in the West. In any case Griffinmill, I hope you can heal from that experience. It took me time to recover.
 

griffinmill

Kingfisher
Her version of running game was being feminine, sweet, and charming to make you feel like a king. You will start to see cracks in her game after more time passes. But it can be hard to see those cracks once you are enraptured. Underneath her game, she is the same fallen girl you easily meet in the West. In any case Griffinmill, I hope you can heal from that experience. It took me time to recover.
Thank you. I'm still recovering.
 
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