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I am thinking to drop gi training all together for a couple of reasons:
- I have been training solidly for a few years, can take 50% or more of the blue belt I train with but have not been promoted yet due to all the travelling and not having a stable home base gym. I have had people accusing me of faking my belt when visiting new gyms (like why the fuck would I do that, this is normal training not competition).
- When you stay less than 6 months in a place is a pain travel with the gi, washing it everytime and dry it since you only have one etc. Buying a new one everytime can get expensive too. Just so much easier to pop a couple of rash guards in the suitcase and be done.

What are your guys thought? I love gi and I am worried this might fireback as when I will decide to be more stable and train consistently in a gym I would be left behind..
 
TravelerKai said:
I don't think some of you know how dangerous fighting is, especially boxing. Plenty of you would lose your insurance policies if they find out you had a blood vessel rupture/swell that hospitalized you or killed you.

If you want self defense skills for the street, boxing does not supply that. Learn something else instead. Fight smarter not harder.

Yes, I second that. I thought I was fit once, due to training in a basketball team for many years, and a friend who was a professional boxer decided to take me to the gym to train. Those kids in the gym, their fitness was just on another level altogether. I had no doubt that in a ring those kids would easily win and I did not complain when my buddy, in his wisdom, had me mostly mirror sparring.
 

debeguiled

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TravelerKai said:
Where this video maker has not quite understood why his change of opinion from 10 years ago has happened, is that he is beginning to realize that Risk Management and Assessment is the actual 800 pound gorilla in the room, not the perceived potential gorilla looking for a fight.

Right after reading this, I happened upon this video.

If an insane east coast Irishman like Bill Burr can learn to de-escalate, anyone should be able to.

(If a fight is avoided, and no one loses face, you just won.)


Part of it is Burr is a parent. Just having kids around, even if they aren't yours, changes the equation almost by itself.

I have had people threaten me a few times when my step kids were in tow. Both times in parking lots funnily enough, so, be aware, that is an odd hotspot.

I had a guy once where he was waiting for a spot, but I didn't see him and I took the spot when the other car left, so he hopped out of his car and flipped out on me.

I told him I didn't see him, which made him even madder. I pointed out that there were plenty of other spots available. (This was in New Mexico, where some of the craziest drivers on the planet live. You are only supposed to flip out if the other car takes the only available spot. It just doesn't have the same justified urgency if there are plenty of other spots just as close. They can't even get road rage right there.)

Finally I offered to move and give him the spot and he still just kept up with his threats and his insults. So I shrugged and said, don't know what else you want me to do, and went in the store with the kids.

They were both kind of shell shocked, and the younger one said, "I have never heard grownups talk like that." And it was a good opportunity to explain to them that the best thing to do is be reasonable, don't get angry back, and just walk away.

I think in both cases, the cars were waiting a long distance from the spot, so you didn't automatically register that they were there and what they were doing.

Could have been a scam of some sort, or just low class people looking for excuses to take their lives out on a stranger.
 

TravelerKai

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wellrockthecity said:
I am thinking to drop gi training all together for a couple of reasons:
- I have been training solidly for a few years, can take 50% or more of the blue belt I train with but have not been promoted yet due to all the travelling and not having a stable home base gym. I have had people accusing me of faking my belt when visiting new gyms (like why the fuck would I do that, this is normal training not competition).
- When you stay less than 6 months in a place is a pain travel with the gi, washing it everytime and dry it since you only have one etc. Buying a new one everytime can get expensive too. Just so much easier to pop a couple of rash guards in the suitcase and be done.

What are your guys thought? I love gi and I am worried this might fireback as when I will decide to be more stable and train consistently in a gym I would be left behind..

You need to take your gi and belt with you, go to the head instructor and tell him what your background is first and ask him if it is disrespectful to wear your gi and belt rank from another school there. He may ask you to wear your white belt instead, so bring both your white or blue.

I usually wear a white belt out of respect when going to a new place to roll, but I grab the teacher there and tell him my background and experience and ask him permission to participate in his dojo as well as if he wants me to wear my black belt and not the white.

I get all kinds of answers so it really depends. You just have to ask. Some teachers, especially Gracie affiliates do not want outside black belts walking around in their dojo. They also make you start from scratch if you transfer. Some may not even want you there depending upon who you are and what fighting camps you come from, although alot of that has been toned down nowadays. Rivalries are not that heated anymore, but if you are a professional (UFC, Bellator, Local MMA fighter) you still need to stick to your affiliate networks to avoid uncomfortable situations.

The courtesy for rolling with others when visiting a BJJ gym is to introduce yourself as a visitor and what your previous rank was so that nobody is embarrassed or caught off guard. For me, I shake their hand and say "Hey I am TK, I am a black belt from xxx BJJ school and I am new here (or just visiting). Wait for them to respond to the greeting or answer a question they may have, then proceed to roll.

You don't want to discourage the white belts by rolling them up easily when they are trying very hard against what they think is another on their level. It is tough to get white belts to stick with BJJ early on. Lots of people quit.

It is also a good idea to walk up to the brown belts and other black belts and introduce yourself to them so that they do not see you rolling up the beginners and get upset with you (happens more than you think). You gotta remember they are the assistant coaches there. If a blue or purple stripe is teaching the white belts, go introduce yourself to him as well. Often times head/chief instructors are in the office doing paperwork, taking payments, or talking to parents.

Cliff Notes: Speak to everyone and introduce yourself properly with the best manners you have.
 

TravelerKai

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debeguiled said:
TravelerKai said:
Where this video maker has not quite understood why his change of opinion from 10 years ago has happened, is that he is beginning to realize that Risk Management and Assessment is the actual 800 pound gorilla in the room, not the perceived potential gorilla looking for a fight.

Right after reading this, I happened upon this video.

If an insane east coast Irishman like Bill Burr can learn to de-escalate, anyone should be able to.

(If a fight is avoided, and no one loses face, you just won.)

Part of it is Burr is a parent. Just having kids around, even if they aren't yours, changes the equation almost by itself.

I have had people threaten me a few times when my step kids were in tow. Both times in parking lots funnily enough, so, be aware, that is an odd hotspot.

I had a guy once where he was waiting for a spot, but I didn't see him and I took the spot when the other car left, so he hopped out of his car and flipped out on me.

I told him I didn't see him, which made him even madder. I pointed out that there were plenty of other spots available. (This was in New Mexico, where some of the craziest drivers on the planet live. You are only supposed to flip out if the other car takes the only available spot. It just doesn't have the same justified urgency if there are plenty of other spots just as close. They can't even get road rage right there.)

Finally I offered to move and give him the spot and he still just kept up with his threats and his insults. So I shrugged and said, don't know what else you want me to do, and went in the store with the kids.

They were both kind of shell shocked, and the younger one said, "I have never heard grownups talk like that." And it was a good opportunity to explain to them that the best thing to do is be reasonable, don't get angry back, and just walk away.

I think in both cases, the cars were waiting a long distance from the spot, so you didn't automatically register that they were there and what they were doing.

Could have been a scam of some sort, or just low class people looking for excuses to take their lives out on a stranger.

That's good work.

Word of caution though, road rage in America is at an all time high. Some killings are reported pretty much every month now.

Keep your firearm on your person at all times, not locked inside your glove compartment. New Mexico allows concealed carry so there is no excuse there. Parking lots are transitional spaces so constant inflow of people is bound to bring in riff raff and trash constantly.

I don't know how close this person got in your face, but do not let others get too close to you if they are shouting and cursing you out. Stick an arm out slightly and place a foot back to brace yourself incase they rush or swing a sucker punch. Never stand flat footed with heels together. Don't kick your back foot out too far either because that is not de-escalating the situation and makes them more hostile. Put down bags or children if they are in your gun hand.

The older we get the more cautious we have to be with these lunatics because you may not always be able to fight an idiot off of you or be able to dodge a sucker punch.

Lastly, know your state laws. Some states you can brandish your firearm to de-escalate a confrontation if they threaten you too much (eg. Imma kick your fucking ass!). Unfortunately in some states, like mine, that will get you an automatic aggravated assault /w deadly weapon charge or terroristic threat charge at the worse case. Sucks for me, but if that is okay in your state, that is an excellent way to stop a potential attacker that is bigger and younger than you are. Only downside is that you have to call the police etc. and deal with all the file a report, etc.
 

DarkTriad

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TravelerKai said:
DarkTriad said:
TravelerKai said:
MdWanderer said:
Saweeep said:
I don't know about the US but here in the UK there's an age limit for amateur boxing of 35.

Getting a pro licence here is also tricky as you get older (see recent failure of former elite soccer player Rio Ferdinand, although I'm not entirely sure what his issue was...probably being rubbish).

That just leaves "white collar" which is a shitshow in these parts.


Boxing exposes literally every single physical weakness when competing with a good opponent. I think 33 is probably too old to really achieve much to be honest. By the time you're half decent your body won't be up to it anyway.

Yeah, I see what you are saying. My biggest motivation is self defense but would like to compete also to sharpen my skills.

If you are too old for Muay Thai at 30, Boxing is the same at 35-40. By then you need to be out of the sport or training for personal fitness maintenance.

You can get sharp and improve by sparring. You do not need actual official pro ring matches to get better. Amateur matches either.

I don't think some of you know how dangerous fighting is, especially boxing. Plenty of you would lose your insurance policies if they find out you had a blood vessel rupture/swell that hospitalized you or killed you.

Young men with high testosterone could break your jaw at the low end of what could happen to you. You might as well be a woman fighting a grown man. Your bone density may not be dense enough to handle that. Get your T levels and bone density levels checked first if you still want to fight so badly. You don't have to piss test to spar at a gym either. If you want focus mitt training, find someone that will take your money for private lessons. You don't need time with Freddy Roach. Plenty of trainers or other former pros train people for money.

If you want self defense skills for the street, boxing does not supply that. Learn something else instead. Fight smarter not harder.

I'm going to respectfully disagree on that, one of the most useful ones IMO.

Right because you can always punch your way out of getting tackled, getting stabbed by a knife, getting hit by a glass bottle, or anything else by bobbing and weaving jabbing and hooks. Look this is not a matter of sheer opinion like pretending your gender is a helicopter. Let's not be intellectually dishonest here.


If you don't want any intellectual dishonesty here, don't stawman me. I didn't say it was the perfect solution for everything, but it's absolutely one of the most efficient means of self defense. If want to debate the point, here are a bunch of examples of boxing working VERY effectively on the street.

 

DarkTriad

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TravelerKai said:
DarkTriad said:
TravelerKai said:
MdWanderer said:
Saweeep said:
I don't know about the US but here in the UK there's an age limit for amateur boxing of 35.

Getting a pro licence here is also tricky as you get older (see recent failure of former elite soccer player Rio Ferdinand, although I'm not entirely sure what his issue was...probably being rubbish).

That just leaves "white collar" which is a shitshow in these parts.


Boxing exposes literally every single physical weakness when competing with a good opponent. I think 33 is probably too old to really achieve much to be honest. By the time you're half decent your body won't be up to it anyway.

Yeah, I see what you are saying. My biggest motivation is self defense but would like to compete also to sharpen my skills.

If you are too old for Muay Thai at 30, Boxing is the same at 35-40. By then you need to be out of the sport or training for personal fitness maintenance.

You can get sharp and improve by sparring. You do not need actual official pro ring matches to get better. Amateur matches either.

I don't think some of you know how dangerous fighting is, especially boxing. Plenty of you would lose your insurance policies if they find out you had a blood vessel rupture/swell that hospitalized you or killed you.

Young men with high testosterone could break your jaw at the low end of what could happen to you. You might as well be a woman fighting a grown man. Your bone density may not be dense enough to handle that. Get your T levels and bone density levels checked first if you still want to fight so badly. You don't have to piss test to spar at a gym either. If you want focus mitt training, find someone that will take your money for private lessons. You don't need time with Freddy Roach. Plenty of trainers or other former pros train people for money.

If you want self defense skills for the street, boxing does not supply that. Learn something else instead. Fight smarter not harder.

I'm going to respectfully disagree on that, one of the most useful ones IMO.

Right because you can always punch your way out of getting tackled, getting stabbed by a knife, getting hit by a glass bottle, or anything else by bobbing and weaving jabbing and hooks. Look this is not a matter of sheer opinion like pretending your gender is a helicopter. Let's not be intellectually dishonest here.

TK, I've got 30 years of boxing, wrestling and various fighting arts, my street experience in some VERY tough neighborhoods with very dangerous people, over 20 years of police work, 10 of it where I was in some kind of hand to hand combat at least 3 times a week (and sometimes 3 times a night).

You've got a LOT of knowledge and some great insights, but there are certain ends of the game I'm going to understand better than you and this is one of them.

Even when I wasn't directly using boxing (which as you can see, works very effectively on it's own) it made almost every kind of stand up fighting I did that much more effective. It made everything I did faster, hit harder etc.. Anything that involves timing, distancing, any time some one is trying punch you, you can handle it that much better. It's a concept SBGI's Matt Thornton calls "Aliveness".

I've had many students over the years, and a lot of the most street effective stuff I can teach them is going to be boxing. It's one of the most intuitive and efficient things you can show anyone. And if you read a lot of the old boxing manuals, it was traditionally taught as self defense (the "Manly Art of Self Defense" to be specific) as much as sport, with all kinds of street specific self defense aspects that a lot of people don't fully appreciate.

And I'm not trying to Anonymous Internet Big Ball you, my privacy is important but you're a very respected guy and I'm happy to PM my real name with searchable records of a lot high level competition and training, and you can decide yourself if I've got the competence to be talking about the stuff I am.
 

TravelerKai

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Utterly ridiculous. None of these videos includes anything involving weapons defense. No boxing gym on Earth advertises boxing as a self defense system for a reason.

No military on Earth uses only boxing as a full suite for self defense and combat training.

Maybe you live in Europe or somewhere else where fist fights are the most threats but that is not the tactical reality of the vast majority of the world.

Believe whatever you want to but don't try to pawn off a very restricted sport as adequate for complete self defense. No one legit that works in this field would ever support this claim and their are young men out there reckless enough to assume so and may get killed attempting to utilize boxing to defend against a deadly threat.

Don't forget there is a poster from the UK, in this thread, that already posted a story about a pro boxer in his camp was in critical condition from a neck stab from a tiny thug. You cannot punch or even kick yourself out of every situation.
 

TravelerKai

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DarkTriad said:
TravelerKai said:
DarkTriad said:
TravelerKai said:
MdWanderer said:
Yeah, I see what you are saying. My biggest motivation is self defense but would like to compete also to sharpen my skills.

If you are too old for Muay Thai at 30, Boxing is the same at 35-40. By then you need to be out of the sport or training for personal fitness maintenance.

You can get sharp and improve by sparring. You do not need actual official pro ring matches to get better. Amateur matches either.

I don't think some of you know how dangerous fighting is, especially boxing. Plenty of you would lose your insurance policies if they find out you had a blood vessel rupture/swell that hospitalized you or killed you.

Young men with high testosterone could break your jaw at the low end of what could happen to you. You might as well be a woman fighting a grown man. Your bone density may not be dense enough to handle that. Get your T levels and bone density levels checked first if you still want to fight so badly. You don't have to piss test to spar at a gym either. If you want focus mitt training, find someone that will take your money for private lessons. You don't need time with Freddy Roach. Plenty of trainers or other former pros train people for money.

If you want self defense skills for the street, boxing does not supply that. Learn something else instead. Fight smarter not harder.

I'm going to respectfully disagree on that, one of the most useful ones IMO.

Right because you can always punch your way out of getting tackled, getting stabbed by a knife, getting hit by a glass bottle, or anything else by bobbing and weaving jabbing and hooks. Look this is not a matter of sheer opinion like pretending your gender is a helicopter. Let's not be intellectually dishonest here.

TK, I've got 30 years of boxing, wrestling and various fighting arts, my street experience in some VERY tough neighborhoods with very dangerous people, over 20 years of police work, 10 of it where I was in some kind of hand to hand combat at least 3 times a week (and sometimes 3 times a night).

You've got a LOT of knowledge and some great insights, but there are certain ends of the game I'm going to understand better than you and this is one of them.

Even when I wasn't directly using boxing (which as you can see, works very effectively on it's own) it made almost every kind of stand up fighting I did that much more effective. It made everything I did faster, hit harder etc.. Anything that involves timing, distancing, any time some one is trying punch you, you can handle it that much better. It's a concept SBGI's Matt Thornton calls "Aliveness".

I've had many students over the years, and a lot of the most street effective stuff I can teach them is going to be boxing. It's one of the most intuitive and efficient things you can show anyone. And if you read a lot of the old boxing manuals, it was traditionally taught as self defense (the "Manly Art of Self Defense" to be specific) as much as sport, with all kinds of street specific self defense aspects that a lot of people don't fully appreciate.

And I'm not trying to Anonymous Internet Big Ball you, my privacy is important but you're a very respected guy and I'm happy to PM my real name with searchable records of a lot high level competition and training, and you can decide yourself if I've got the competence to be talking about the stuff I am.

I have no way of knowing how legit your background is, but I fail to see how what I have done is less than yours like you claim. Pretty arrogant of a claim really. When I have spent years training special forces and Marines combat fighting with knives and unarmed. The guys who I trained did tours in Fallujah and they would laugh at this. Dudes that ran out of ammo at times and had to go hand to hand.

They all told me what I taught them gave them a massive edge. I have given information on my background in my original post and that is all anyone is getting from me. I cannot take risks getting doxxed by you or anyone else. This thread is just a resource for the forum for guys looking for good advice from my decades of experience. Nothing more. If you still think boxing is better than everything else for street or combat more power to you.
 

DarkTriad

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TravelerKai said:
Utterly ridiculous. None of these videos includes anything involving weapons defense. No boxing gym on Earth advertises boxing as a self defense system for a reason.

No military on Earth uses only boxing as a full suite for self defense and combat training.

Maybe you live in Europe or somewhere else where fist fights are the most threats but that is not the tactical reality of the vast majority of the world.

Believe whatever you want to but don't try to pawn off a very restricted sport as adequate for complete self defense. No one legit that works in this field would ever support this claim and their are young men out there reckless enough to assume so and may get killed attempting to utilize boxing to defend against a deadly threat.

Don't forget there is a poster from the UK, in this thread, that already posted a story about a pro boxer in his camp was in critical condition from a neck stab from a tiny thug. You cannot punch or even kick yourself out of every situation.

No boxing gym on Earth advertises boxing as a self defense system for a reason.

Really? A quick google search showed me some immediately

Whether you want to learn boxing as a hobby, for self defense, to become a better athlete, to test yourself in carefully supervised matches for charity or become an amateur or professional fighter, our FighterTechnique Program will drive you to achievement.

https://www.koboxingusa.com/

www.ringboxingclub.com/classes

https://peterwelchsgym.com/boxing-training-boston-ma/

They don't usually have to advertise that angle that much because it's so obvious that it's useful for self defense.

No military on Earth uses only boxing as a full suite for self defense and combat training.

Again, don't strawman me, I didn't make those claims, we had a specific dispute about it's usefulness for self defense, so I gave a bunch of graphic, undeniable, and dramatic examples of it's usefulness for self defense. If you think those were staged pro wrestling events, then you've got an argument, otherwise those are absolutely self defense. Too late to try and and move the goalposts now.

Maybe you live in Europe or somewhere else where fist fights are the most threats but that is not the tactical reality of the vast majority of the world.

I was a cop in a large American city full of guns, knives and murder. I'm telling you what my personal experiences were, my professional experiences were, and the experiences of my team mates from several different gyms were (many of whom were our most effective and productive criminals and murderers). My city was noted for recruiting organized crime enforcers from boxing gyms, largely because everyone with experience respected boxing for it's practical use on the street. Perfect? No, and never claimed by me, but it's extremely useful, even for things you didn't expect it to be. The rest of my time I spent filling out reports and paperwork documenting all the violent assaults in my city.

Believe whatever you want to but don't try to pawn off a very restricted sport as adequate for complete self defense.

Again, never claimed by me, you stated
TravelerKai - If you want self defense skills for the street, boxing does not supply that.
.

Then I stated that I respectfully disagreed, and provided vivid examples of it doing just that. Consistent with my extensive experience, likely as extensive as yours if you feel like talking by PM. That's what our argument is here is, if you want to have some other debate, I'm happy to address it on a separate string of posts here.

Don't forget there is a poster from the UK, in this thread, that already posted a story about a pro boxer in his camp was in critical condition from a neck stab from a tiny thug.

And every other hand to hand fighting system has had similar situations, sadly, none of them make you bullet proof and stab proof.
 

DarkTriad

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TravelerKai said:
DarkTriad said:
TravelerKai said:
DarkTriad said:
TravelerKai said:
If you are too old for Muay Thai at 30, Boxing is the same at 35-40. By then you need to be out of the sport or training for personal fitness maintenance.

You can get sharp and improve by sparring. You do not need actual official pro ring matches to get better. Amateur matches either.

I don't think some of you know how dangerous fighting is, especially boxing. Plenty of you would lose your insurance policies if they find out you had a blood vessel rupture/swell that hospitalized you or killed you.

Young men with high testosterone could break your jaw at the low end of what could happen to you. You might as well be a woman fighting a grown man. Your bone density may not be dense enough to handle that. Get your T levels and bone density levels checked first if you still want to fight so badly. You don't have to piss test to spar at a gym either. If you want focus mitt training, find someone that will take your money for private lessons. You don't need time with Freddy Roach. Plenty of trainers or other former pros train people for money.

If you want self defense skills for the street, boxing does not supply that. Learn something else instead. Fight smarter not harder.

I'm going to respectfully disagree on that, one of the most useful ones IMO.

Right because you can always punch your way out of getting tackled, getting stabbed by a knife, getting hit by a glass bottle, or anything else by bobbing and weaving jabbing and hooks. Look this is not a matter of sheer opinion like pretending your gender is a helicopter. Let's not be intellectually dishonest here.

TK, I've got 30 years of boxing, wrestling and various fighting arts, my street experience in some VERY tough neighborhoods with very dangerous people, over 20 years of police work, 10 of it where I was in some kind of hand to hand combat at least 3 times a week (and sometimes 3 times a night).

You've got a LOT of knowledge and some great insights, but there are certain ends of the game I'm going to understand better than you and this is one of them.

Even when I wasn't directly using boxing (which as you can see, works very effectively on it's own) it made almost every kind of stand up fighting I did that much more effective. It made everything I did faster, hit harder etc.. Anything that involves timing, distancing, any time some one is trying punch you, you can handle it that much better. It's a concept SBGI's Matt Thornton calls "Aliveness".

I've had many students over the years, and a lot of the most street effective stuff I can teach them is going to be boxing. It's one of the most intuitive and efficient things you can show anyone. And if you read a lot of the old boxing manuals, it was traditionally taught as self defense (the "Manly Art of Self Defense" to be specific) as much as sport, with all kinds of street specific self defense aspects that a lot of people don't fully appreciate.

And I'm not trying to Anonymous Internet Big Ball you, my privacy is important but you're a very respected guy and I'm happy to PM my real name with searchable records of a lot high level competition and training, and you can decide yourself if I've got the competence to be talking about the stuff I am.

I have no way of knowing how legit your background is...

You absolutely have a way of knowing how legit my background is, that's why I wrote this earlier.

And I'm not trying to Anonymous Internet Big Ball you, my privacy is important but you're a very respected guy and I'm happy to PM my real name with searchable records of a lot high level competition and training, and you can decide yourself if I've got the competence to be talking about the stuff I am.

...so you can professionally evaluate my competence to have this discussion with you, just so we can avoid an acrimonious internet dick measuring contest.

... but I fail to see how what I have done is less than yours like you claim.

???????????

Scroll up, I never claimed it. I said I was "likely" equal (that's NOT "better) and have invited you to investigate it privately because I respect you too much.

Pretty arrogant of a claim really.

It's arrogant for anyone to claim they might be your equal? There are many people out there better than either of us, who is being arrogant if they say the very idea of being your equal is arrogant?

When I have spent years training special forces and Marines combat fighting with knives and unarmed. The guys who I trained did tours in Fallujah and they would laugh at this. Dudes that ran out of ammo at times and had to go hand to hand.

They all told me what I taught them gave them a massive edge.

I don't doubt it, you obviously have a lot of knowledge.

I have given information on my background in my original post and that is all anyone is getting from me.

Nobody is asking anything of you. You're the senior guy on this forum (and this thread) I was offering to give you my info so you could evaluate my competence privately, that's it. We've had a lot of quality discussions here, and I trusted you with my info.

I cannot take risks getting doxxed by you or anyone else. This thread is just a resource for the forum for guys looking for good advice from my decades of experience. Nothing more. If you still think boxing is better than everything else for street or combat more power to you.

I've never made that claim.

Peace.
 

TravelerKai

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In other news,

Konstantin allegedly got stabbed to death in a street fight in Russia. He was a bodyguard.


This is a great example of how power cannot compensate for a lack of force multipliers and deadly force threats. This is a guy that can squish some people's heads like a grape! Dude could deadlift damn near 1000 pounds. I remember watching some of his lifts in the past. Dude was a beast.

Knives are very serious threats on the street. Easy to conceal, quick and easy to use, although difficult to master, and even the largest and strongest men on Earth are not immune to their effects. Muscles do not trap knife blade edges in-between the fibers.

Dominate Disarm Deflect/Generic CQC, JJJ, Krav Maga style, Hapkido, FMA/Silat style Aikido, or Russian Systema style. There are many different approaches to knife threats, I highly recommend everyone to add something to whatever it is you primary train to be ready. Guns may not be in every country, but knives are in every country.

If you are going to be a professional bodyguard, handgun licenses are a must, a backup knife or talon, and quite possibly cut proof garments underneath or kevlar if legal in your country. Pepper spray or other non lethal options sometimes are good, but I do not recommend those for use against deadly threats, unless that is all you have.

On top of that, first aid skills and possibly a tourniquet. That's an area I am trying to get more training on. Field medic type stuff seems to be just as valuable as the fighting itself.
 

Richard Turpin

Kingfisher
That's very sobering to read about Konstantin Konstantinov. It does really drive home how vulnerable even the biggest and baddest individual is outside of a controlled, sporting environment.

I remember having this realisation late in life. That fights outside of the gym are to be absolutely avoided wherever possible.

Yes, guys like Konstantinov would destroy most people in a fair fight. But outside the gym and dojo, people are out to win fights by any means necessary. A good way to understand this is to flip it; say something terrible happens to a loved one and you are out for revenge against a single individual. Imagine that you didn't just want them beaten up, instead you wanted them gone. In this scenario, you wouldn't challenge them to a fist fight! And then shake hands after one of you submitted!? No, you'd go in tooled up and in numbers so as to get the job done. You aren't interested in scoring points, or impressing anyone, it's literally just business that has to be sorted out. Well, this is exactly how the criminal element etc are thinking! All the time! And it's completely alien to how the average Joe who's been working hard on his Kimura recently thinks! Us normal folk just aren't cut from the same cloth as the bad guys and would be better served improving our people skills and situational awareness first and foremost.

And then there are crazy people of course.

But really, this is just something you have to find out for yourself. When you are young you think you are indestructible anyway so none of what I've just typed will fully sink in. Martial Arts (with aliveness and sparring) are great educators in the meantime though! I thought I was a bona fide tough-guy before getting my ass handed to me time and time again on the mats. Paradoxically, I was probably more dangerous pre-martial arts in the sense that I would be more ready to rumble at the slightest provocation. Not nowadays though, no way; you can't tell who you are fucking with and it just isn't worth it.
 

Pytonga

Sparrow
TravelerKai I am looking for some advice.
I'm 40 yrs old in ok shape and I would like to start some training (Martial Arts? boxing?)
Just for myself I want to learn how to defend myself and keep fit.
I am not thinking about competitions.
Long time ago I had 2 years stint in Karate Shotokan.

40 yrs old means that recovery takes longer and I want to try to avoid injuries. Any suggestions -where I should go? Which sport.
Thank you
 

TravelerKai

Peacock
Gold Member
Pytonga said:
TravelerKai I am looking for some advice.
I'm 40 yrs old in ok shape and I would like to start some training (Martial Arts? boxing?)
Just for myself I want to learn how to defend myself and keep fit.
I am not thinking about competitions.
Long time ago I had 2 years stint in Karate Shotokan.

40 yrs old means that recovery takes longer and I want to try to avoid injuries. Any suggestions -where I should go? Which sport.
Thank you

The question is not about "which sport". That is not an appropriate answer for the question you posed.

If you want self defense, pick one of the systems for self defense listed in the original post. Your flag shows the UK. Do you want self defense for possible knife attacks? If I were you I would. The UK has more stabbings than pretty much every other European country and more than the US for sure.

Knife heavy offense and defense styles are FMA/Kali/Silat and Russian Systema.

Knife heavy defense are Japanese Ju jitsu.

If you like boxing alot, you could go the Krav Maga route. That would cover your fitness requirements as well. They tend to have sparring and full contact in the classes. That brings me to a point I forgot to make years ago about KM. If you go visit a KM class and they do zero sparring of any kind, leave and find another one. Even some of the fake KM schools have sparring in them.

In the UK walking around with your own knife has legal risks from what the others have shared. You may want to make certain that you are able to disarm the knife and be able to use it against the attacker(s) as well.

Don't just go through the motions and curriculum in a school without getting what you need in terms of skills. If you have to spend money to get a private lesson to cover a special set of skills, so be it or try another style/school.

It's your own ass, make sure you get it covered.

After you have trained for a while, asses what you learned and where you may want to fine tune. Never hurts to check out a BJJ school for 6 months to a year. Most fights end up on the ground. You may find out that you are useless on the ground even if you are good at Krav Maga for many years. One of the good things about BJJ is that white stripe and blue belts are not manhandled by regular or normal people on the street. Does not take years to be able to use BJJ at all.

Hope this helps.
 

Thot Leader

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Checkmat said:
I was training with a competitive BJJ purple belt tonight and he mentioned it was his fourth training session. I asked him, “today?” and he said yes.

This shit is truly mind-blowing and at the same totally matter of fact: this guy tools me up worse than most black belts. He hardly breaks a sweat and does almost whatever he wants to me. I literally have never given him anything resembling a fight.

So when I heard that he’s training up to 4x/day, well...That makes sense. I train 4-6x/week and this dude does 3-6x as much as me. No wonder he is light years ahead.

Martial arts (or anything) isn’t rocket science. The more you practice, the better you are.

I always wondered about guys like that, i.e. do they have day jobs? Even if they are professional fighters, they likely don't pay the bills from training and fighting. Most black belt instructors need day jobs. Even in my 20s when I had the energy to train all day, every day, my training was limited to evenings and weekends.
 
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