king bast said:Dalaran1991 said:Trumpian said:If you took a middleweight (160lbs) who had placed in some regional golden gloves tourneys, and took him to a dive bar and said "find the biggest guy in here and pick a fight".
The big guy would swing and hit air for a couple minutes, rapidly gas out, and the middleweight would dance around toying with him for a bit. Then boom, counter and KO/TKO him. Every time.
Boxing is severely underrated for self defense. The foot work, speed, ability to find range, and sheer power they can generate via their hands would make even a middling boxer seem superhuman compared to a civilian.
Im not an expert so I wont comment on the rest of the post, TK already did this. Im just commenting on this scenario because it's so ridiculous.
Find the biggest guy in the room and pick a fight with him? I know this is rhetoric, but really? Idon't even know where to start here.
That guy could have a knife, or a gun.
That guy could also be a fighter.
Instead of swinging at you, he grabs you, which actually happens very often in brawl. Now I know you can throw elbows and knees, but so can the other guy.
He grabs you, and he knows BJJ/wrestling.
He swing/throws bottle at you. Bigger guy + improvise weapons?
He is with a bunch of friends.
But the elephant in the room, is that you're in a dive bar, so the guy is likely drunk. You don't realise what a massive advantage sobriety is over drunkenness until you've worked security, being the sober man in the room and the defense against drunken troublemakers. Sobriety is almost a super power against drunks...but unfortunately it doesn't have the same effect on meth heads, who were starting to grow in popularity towards the tail-end of my bouncing days.
Dudes on painkillers (opiods) are a major issue, especially in the USA. Used to be, back in the old days of MMA cagefighting, in the small venues some of the fighters were chewing some of these pills and would be numb to damn near anything you did to them. Dudes getting their arms broken in armbars without hardly realizing the pain are suspicious as fuck. They did not have all this USADA and dope testing back then. It just was, what it was.
So many people are high on painkillers in the US that are not even thugs, it would be quite hazardous to get into an altercation with random people because if they are not on angeldust, glass(meth), they might be on opiods and numb to pain.
Like you, I did some bodyguard work and drunk people are definately easy to deal with. They are even easy to bullshit into making them feel like they are the coolest person on Earth, the realest nigga alive, and the biggest pimp in the club. Once you talk them out of getting rowdy, they go on bout their way. Those high as fuck dudes are the wildcard and it is not particularly easy to figure out the right way to deal with them, because a fight with them may go badly.
High and drunk women like to take off their 6" heels and swing them as a weapon too. If they catch you not paying attention you will be getting stitches that night.