ChicagoFire said:Systema stresses relaxed body. If you punch under that system it assumes you were severely injured and you're punching at 50%. That's the best way I can explain it since I'm still fairly new to it and the instructor would tell me I'm tensing up my shoulder when I punch (hence punches from the shoulder). From what a fellow student told me after years of doing systema his boxing punches have gotten significantly stronger. You will see on youtube clips that some of these Russians can break wooden boards.
I understand you're punching from your body when boxing but you're still tensing up under that system. I'm not knocking on boxing it's just that there's no correlation between boxing and systema.
Trumpian said:Chicago fire, could you expand more on systema style punching?
I wouldn't say boxing punches are from the shoulder. You square your shoulder on the release, but it's a whole body movement really starting with a foot pivot.
Nobody punches harder than boxer so I'm curious how systema does it. Unless they're making adjustments for bare knuckle, which has some significant differences.
Relaxed arm is a precursor to un-bendable arm technique. Punching with relaxed arms yields a stronger punch with much less physical exertion (effort).
Some pro boxers have relaxed arm punching so do not think it does not exist in boxing, just that it varies greatly on who trains you. Floyd and Loma both box this way just some quick examples. If you watch film, watch Floyd and Loma and look at their check jabs and short thrown check hooks. Terrance Crawford and Leo Santa Cruz are some other less known boxers you could watch and see those same punches. Leo Santa Cruz is so fucking relaxed he is often smiling while he is fighting.
Un-bendable arm is the natural progression for internal strength, commonly seen in Chinese Martial Arts systems. The best pro/sport example of someone using this would be hands down Anderson Silva. Lyoto Machida is another good example as he floats between the two punch styles thanks to his Karate style. Israel Adesanya might have this skill as well but I am not 100% certain of that yet. For non-sport examples of people like this, too many people to list and most are hardly famous.