Tribute to a great leader (Francisco Franco), and his views about Women

[Blancpain]

I can't believe it took me so long to read about this great leader. Franco.

''Women in Francoist Spain

Franco and his wife, Carmen Polo in 1968
Francoism professed a devotion to the traditional role of a woman in society, that is being a loving child to her parents and brothers, being faithful to her husband, and residing with her family. Official propaganda confined the role of women to family care and motherhood. Immediately after the war most progressive laws passed by the Republic aimed at equality between the sexes were nullified. Women could not become judges, or testify in a trial. They could not become university professors. Their affairs and economic lives had to be managed by their fathers and husbands. Even in the 1970s a woman fleeing from an abusive husband could be arrested and imprisoned for "abandoning the home" (abandono del hogar). Until the 1970s a woman could not have a bank account without a co-sign by her father or husband.[77] In the 1960s and 1970s these restrictions were somewhat relaxed, but it was not until after Franco's death that a more egalitarian view of the sexes was adopted.''


40 years after his death, his beliefs are adopted by the manosphere.

 

[Geomann180]

Where did you read about this?

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[LeBeau]

Even in the 1970s a woman fleeing from an abusive husband could be arrested and imprisoned for "abandoning the home" (abandono del hogar). Until the 1970s a woman could not have a bank account without a co-sign by her father or husband.[77] In the 1960s and 1970s these restrictions were somewhat relaxed, but it was not until after Franco's death that a more egalitarian view of the sexes was adopted.''


40 years after his death, his beliefs are adopted by the manosphere.

It seems suspect that you're trying to tie men on this forum to these views as an opening post.

So if you believe that, you would force your sister, daughter, or female relative to stay with an abusive husband?

I've never seen a thread here where people have advocated that. And I'm certainly not going to give you the validation you're looking for.

 

[Blancpain]

Even in the 1970s a woman fleeing from an abusive husband could be arrested and imprisoned for "abandoning the home" (abandono del hogar). Until the 1970s a woman could not have a bank account without a co-sign by her father or husband.[77] In the 1960s and 1970s these restrictions were somewhat relaxed, but it was not until after Franco's death that a more egalitarian view of the sexes was adopted.''


40 years after his death, his beliefs are adopted by the manosphere.

It seems suspect that you're trying to tie men on this forum to these views as an opening post.

So if you believe that, you would force your sister, daughter, or female relative to stay with an abusive husband?

I've never seen a thread here where people have advocated that. And I'm certainly not going to give you the validation you're looking for.

I'm not trying to tie anyone to anything. I certainly would not allow my sister to stay with an abusive husband. Just because the fact that I admire this man does not mean I agree with all his views.

But looking at the big picture, aside from minor points, he is the leader I brace the most ideologically.


You also have to take context into account, he said these things in 1960s, back then the world was different, he probably wouldn't hold some of those values today..

He is certainly spot on though about banning women from judicial positions, because its a scientific fact that women act on emotion and not rationally.

 

[911]

Even in the 1970s a woman fleeing from an abusive husband could be arrested and imprisoned for "abandoning the home" (abandono del hogar). Until the 1970s a woman could not have a bank account without a co-sign by her father or husband.[77] In the 1960s and 1970s these restrictions were somewhat relaxed, but it was not until after Franco's death that a more egalitarian view of the sexes was adopted.''


40 years after his death, his beliefs are adopted by the manosphere.

It seems suspect that you're trying to tie men on this forum to these views as an opening post.

So if you believe that, you would force your sister, daughter, or female relative to stay with an abusive husband?

I've never seen a thread here where people have advocated that. And I'm certainly not going to give you the validation you're looking for.

I'm not trying to tie anyone to anything. I certainly would not allow my sister to stay with an abusive husband. Just because the fact that I admire this man does not mean I agree with all his views.

But looking at the big picture, aside from minor points, he is the leader I brace the most ideologically.


You also have to take context into account, he said these things in 1960s, back then the world was different, he probably wouldn't hold some of those values today..

He is certainly spot on though about banning women from judicial positions, because its a scientific fact that women act on emotion and not rationally.

As well, the thinking that probably went behind rules such as not allowing women to bail on their husbands is that many women would falsely accuse their husband, and even more would bolt on a whim, due to their naturally volatile temperament. Nearly every divorcing broad lies about their husband being abusive in order to better divorce-rape him.

Franco was a very good leader overall. Spanish women were much better off under him than they are today in the cultural marxist dystopia their country is fast becoming. That is true of nearly every other western Catholic country. I would have loved to live in early 1970s Spain.

There is a lot of bullshit written about Franco in the history books and popular culture, with degenerates like Luis Buñel perpetrating that commie narrative. The Nationalists are constantly portrayed as savage fascist troglodytes fighting righteous progressive freedom-loving "Republicans", who were in fact nun-raping clergy-murdering killers aligned with the worst, most criminal regime to ever rule in Europe, the Bolsheviks', and they were funded by the same globalist crowd.

Those "Republicans" murdered 7,000 defenseless Spanish clergy members during the Terror Rojo, carrying the great tradition of terror campaigns from the French and Bolshevik revolutions. The heroic efforts of Franco and Spanish patriots ended up saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of their countrymen, starting with the 65,000 clergy members the Reds didn't manage to get ahold of.

From William Carr's "Pawns in the Game" chapter on Spain:

...It must be remembered that the leaders of a revolution don’t consider the effort entirely wasted if it doesn’t end in a proletarian dictatorship. Every revolt against constituted government and lawful authority is considered by those who plot and plan revolutionary efforts as a step in the right direction. If the effort falls short of success that is bad, but not hopeless. It doesn’t matter how many people are killed. They are just pawns in the game. They are expendable. It is extraordinary how few of the top-level revolutionary leaders get killed during a rebellion.[2] It is accepted as good revolutionary technique, to sacrifice the masses and preserve the members of the Illuminati, for they are to govern the new order. Even in ordinary strikes the Reds usually stir up the trouble, and then sneak away. They leave the other workers to do the actual fighting with the police or militia.

The following facts are given to prove that during a revolution everyone who is not a party member or a fellow traveller, may expect no mercy of any kind. Even Fellow Travellers are liquidated after they have been used to advantage.

Prior to July, 1936, the directors of the World Revolutionary Movement had literally flooded Madrid with agents. Moses Rosenberg arrived as Moscow’s ambassador to Madrid. Anteneff Avseenko arrived in Barcelona. Dimitrov arrived to personally conduct the religious persecutions planned to follow the Communist Coup. During the Civil War Rosenberg ruled as tzar of Madrid. Avseenko assumed command of the Catalan Red Army. Rosenberg organized the Chekas in Spain and saw that they carried out their work of spying out more and more victims.

Moscow’s agents organized “Purification Squads”. Officially their duty was to seek out Fascists but secretly they liquidated all those who had been previously listed as reactionaries to the Illuminati’s plan for subjugation of Spain. These lists had been compiled by Communist spies who had been worked into the Union of Concierges; (house and apartment janitors) the tax departments, the Postal Services, and other public offices. The lists of those to be liquidated were very complete because Moscow’s spies, some disguised as scissors and knife grinders, had covered every district, street by street and house by house. All citizens were listed according to their political, labour, social, and religious standing and affiliations. When the order for the Reign of Terror to start was given, the Communists worked with the sureness, the ferocity, and the thoroughness, of starved brutes. Stalin had once stated : “It is better that a hundred innocent people die than one reactionary should escape.” They obeyed this order with devilish persistency.

So others who live in countries not yet subjugated may understand what happens during a reign of terror, some actual atrocities will be described.

On July 17th, 1936, a group of Communists wearing the uniforms of government troops called at the Dominican Convent in Barcelona. The leader informed the Mother Superior that because mob violence was feared he had orders to escort the sisters to a place of safety. The sisters gathered together their few belongings and, unsuspectingly, accompanied the soldiers who took them to the suburbs where they murdered them all. The leader callously remarked afterwards, “We needed the building. We didn’t want to muss it up before we occupied it.[3]

Senor Salvans was a known anti-Communist. Three times purification squads visited his home in Barcelona. When the third visit produced no information regarding his whereabouts, the Reds murdered the whole family of eight. That vile deed was performed in accordance with paragraphs 15 and 16 of the instructions already referred to.

One of the most senseless acts of violence ever committed in the name of “Liberty ... Equality ... Fraternity”, was the murder of sixteen lay-brothers who worked voluntarily as male nurses in the largest hospital in Barcelona. Their only crime was that they belonged to a religious order. The fact that they nursed all who were sick, regardless of class, colour, or creed, made no difference to those who ordered their “liquidation”. E.M. Godden, who published Conflict in Spain, on page 72 reported : “The slaughter of the living was accompanied by derision for the dead. During the last week of July, 1936, the bodies of nuns were exhumed from their graves and propped up outside the walls of their convents. Obscene, and offensive, placards were attached to their bodies.”

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Rep point to the OP for daring to go against the grain on El Generalísimo.

 

[Mikan]

My mother's people are from Andalusia and absolutely love Franco. My abuela had a picture of him in the living room.

 

[Chris Brown]

Why did George Orwell fight the fascists in Spain?

 

[ilostabet]

about wives fleeing from abusive husbands.

this is a problematic issue because of its pandora's box nature. it seems incredibly insensitive to not allow a woman to escape an abusive husband, but at the same time it's a precedent that can be (and has been) taken to it's natural conclusion of allowing divorce and everything else we know now - with its civilization destroying consequences.

it is not beyond belief (at least to me) that many abusive husbands had reasons beyond just being unrepentant assholes, and many women who claimed abuse were actually exaggerating, crying wolf or deserving of it.

and back then the law was not on the woman's side, but there were also no personal cameras:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXXUAEvbW9o

"The wisest of women builds her house, but folly with her own hands tears it down."
Proverbs 14:1

 

[ProGambler]

If a woman passes from her father's protection to a husband's, it is her father's bad judgement that may lead to her abuse and can be remedied between men.

 

[puckerman]

I'm coming to the conclusion that this was the main reason why the fascists (Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, etc.) rejected the communists. The commies wanted the women in the factories, in the offices, in the workplaces. The fascists embraced traditional gender roles.

It actually ended up working against the Nazis. The women in Allied countries did work in the factories, while the men were in the military. The Germans weakened their war effort because they didn't have their women in the factories.

World War Two fucked up the USA in so many ways. It really did help bring about modern feminism. Of course, that's not the only one.

Of course, no group has promoted "gender equality" harder than the Jews. Jews embraced working women long before many other groups did.

 

[SlickyBoy]

I'm coming to the conclusion that this was the main reason why the fascists (Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, etc.) rejected the communists. The commies wanted the women in the factories, in the offices, in the workplaces. The fascists embraced traditional gender roles.

It actually ended up working against the Nazis. The women in Allied countries did work in the factories, while the men were in the military. The Germans weakened their war effort because they didn't have their women in the factories.

World War Two fucked up the USA in so many ways. It really did help bring about modern feminism. Of course, that's not the only one.

Of course, no group has promoted "gender equality" harder than the Jews. Jews embraced working women long before many other groups did.

Not really a like for like comparison. Sure, the USA had women in the factories, but they also had an incredible geographic and resource advantage. Meanwhile, the Germans were fighting a two front war and not enough of their generals got the courage to advise Hitler when he tried to win objectives while disregarding military limitations. It's no wonder a few of them eventually thought assassinating him was the only way to bring a reality check to the direction of the war. But by that time even if it had been a success the US war effort was in high gear and Henry Morganthau had FDR's ear, ensuring he wasn't about to let up even if Hitler were out of the picture.

If the US didn't have women in the factories they would have made do with old men and boys and/or taken longer to get the job done in Germany.

 

[N°6]

The patriarchal elements to Franco Spain is traditional Roman Catholic social teaching - not Fascism (although the anti-usury, pro-labour elements of Fascism came from Pope Leo XIII’s Rerum novarum: Rights and Duties of Capital and Labour 1891).

French women were not allowed bank accounts without their fathers’ or husbands’ consent either. Gaullist France was Roman socially conservative too which is one reason why the CIA and liberal finance brought about the transformations of May ‘68 and the bobos who’ve ruled it ever since despite a strong recent challenge by le Front Nationale (which succeeded in destroying the champagne Socialist Party and forced liberal finance to form a new party with elements from the false Left and Right to prop it up).

Franco restored the Spanish monarchy so he was a traditional pro-Church, pro-aristocratic conservative who had Fascist allies who had a shared interest in stoping the Internationalist anarchists. In other words the Spanish Civil War was hierarchy v anarchy.

 

[Geomann180]

The Germans weakened their war effort because they didn't have their women in the factories.

World War Two fucked up the USA in so many ways. It really did help bring about modern feminism. Of course, that's not the only one.

Of course, no group has promoted "gender equality" harder than the Jews. Jews embraced working women long before many other groups did.

The Germans weakened their war effort by not having a full war-time economy until late 1943-mid 1944.

But history class teaches you that Germany started WW2 just like they started WW1.

G