TRT Is Like Botox For Men

IM3000

Pelican
The TRT hype seems to be an American thing. I was really surprised by the amount of advertising used to push it when visiting the US. I have never met anyone from Europe or Latin America who is or was on TRT.
This obviously is anecdotal and I'm sure, that many people outside the US are on it, but this should be some food for thought.

Maybe it's just a money grab. Step 1: Instill fear in the male population of an invisibel enemy. Step 2: Make them believe that TRT is the solution. Step 3: Profit

Sounds familiar?
 

Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Gold Member
The TRT hype seems to be an American thing. I was really surprised by the amount of advertising used to push it when visiting the US. I have never met anyone from Europe or Latin America who is or was on TRT.
I was about to post exactly the same thought and you beat me to it!!

Well, you speak from experience, I have not spent enough time in America to see the ads but know that in America they generally love to market all kinds of medications in a way which in most other countries is banned.

I had also never heard much of it either but someone I know from America told me about it, and that I might want to try it (!) So a tiny bit tempted I was, and still am, but then am reluctant to mess with my bodily chemistry flippantly and take no medications whatsoever so why suddenly start now.

Possibly combative sports may be better for T than just weights, and as discussed in another thread, endurance cardio, like constant marathon training can be bad for it.

To qualify what I wrote before which may have upset some people, in a clown world, almost all of us are unfortunately impacted in some way, I definitely have been, so if someone goes for TRT to fix something in their life which would not have happened in a nicer era, we can't be too hard on them.
 
I struggled with gynecomastia at a young age due to a poor diet and lifestyle, and TRT helped me get rid of it after weight loss. Despite all the tranny propaganda, there is no worse feeling than people looking down on you for looking like a gender bent man.

I agree getting in shape just for fornication is wrong, but health and fitness are very important in today's world where most people live a sedentary lifestyle where bad food is cheap and physical activity is minimal.
 

Augustus_Principe

Woodpecker
It reminds me of potheads like Rogan. They would claim they smoke weed for this and that medicinal reason, but you know they actually smoke it because it is a drug that gives them pleasure.

Testosterone, like all anabolic steroids, are a drug. You know this because if you discontinue taking testosterone, you will have experience severe withdrawal effects. Medicine, like aspirin, doesn't produce withdrawal effects. Testosterone also has negative health effects if you take it over a long period of time, including shrinking your testicles, reducing your sperm court, causing you to lose your hair, causing gynecomastia, causing your blood to thin, and increasing your cholesterol and worsening your heart health. That's not that much different than something like heroin.

The vast majority of men (and women) that take anabolic steroids do it for the increase in pleasure, increase in vitality in bed, and bigger muscles. They do not use it to treat a serious medical issue.

As a side effect, the isolation of hormones and its widespread acceptance to use them has led to the tranny crisis. That's an undeniable truth. The amount of women I see in my gym that use testosterone is out of control.

Correct. The vast majority of people on any sort of drugs to manipulate hormones do it for vain reasons.


Heal the Gut. Stick to the simple diet. May take a few months to few years. It’s the government of the body and mind. The gut appears to have the ability to heal almost anything. Its importance is completely misunderstood in modern world. It cannot be overstated, the effect on the body is unbelievable but the effect on the mind and emotions is also incredible, it brings an otherworldly positivity. It opens up old wounds, don’t ignore them, this releases tons of repressed stress. No wonder monks and shamans are so strict with their diet, it opens your experience to a hidden world of subtle being. Once you personally experience the effect of a healthy active gut it changes everything.

It’s amazing how many modern people ignore or laugh at this but they just don’t understand how intelligent the body is, if treated properly. Good luck.

The GaPS diet by Dr. Campbell-McBride
Breaking the Vicious Cycle: The Specific Carbohydrate Diet by Elaine Gottschall


Healing the Gut is the key to just about every ailment we suffer. +1

The TRT hype seems to be an American thing. I was really surprised by the amount of advertising used to push it when visiting the US. I have never met anyone from Europe or Latin America who is or was on TRT.
This obviously is anecdotal and I'm sure, that many people outside the US are on it, but this should be some food for thought.

Maybe it's just a money grab. Step 1: Instill fear in the male population of an invisibel enemy. Step 2: Make them believe that TRT is the solution. Step 3: Profit

Sounds familiar?

Your assumption is likely correct. TRT is most likely and American thing because America loves to treat symptoms, and give its citizens quick fixes and not deal with the ROOT CAUSE. In this case, instead of looking at the patient's lifestyle, the doctor will prescribe TRT in order to boost his T immediately.

As expected, this thread triggered every GenXr here. I guess it would be the same as if you would make a thread about millennials never growing up, it will trigger the same reaction and excuses.

While the threat of Low-T is absolutely real, the problem here is that, as I mentioned above, people are being treated based on symptoms rather than the root cause of Low-T. The people on TRT will continue to eat the same, hormone-rich feedlot beef from the store and restaurants (if you dont know what feedlot beef is https://www.bigpicturebeef.com/feedlot-beef), wearing sunblock and blocking whatever vitamin D they could've gotten (Vitamin D is rampant and a big cause for low-t), eating the same chemically laden vegetables and fruits, living a Slothful, sedentary lifestyle, watching pornography, Masturbating, and overall have a mineral deficiency, mainly magnesium.

The person on TRT will ignore all of the above because they "feel great" on TRT. They will not switch to a Grass-fed, pasture-raised nose-to-tail meat diet(Animal testes will boost your T naturally https://frankiesfreerangemeat.com/p...-mountain-oysters?_pos=2&_sid=968af99ec&_ss=r) , Organically farmed fruits and vegetables, mineral-rich water(Buy Trace Mineral liquid to add to you water OR go to your local Polish/Euro store and buy their water. Their water comes with minerals unlike the American craze with still water), Grass fed dairy (Raw milk/Raw cheese, etc), go out during peak sun hours in order to get Vitamin D (May be TMI, but did you know that direct vitamin D to your testicles raise T in your blood? You can induce the same by using Vitamin D oil and transdermal absorption https://organsupplements.com/products/vitamin-d3-liquid-sun-1 ...) fix your gut microbiome etc etc. In short, their lifestyle will be the exact same, and it will only be masked because of the artificial T they are receiving. (Do yourself a favor, check this video out, and search "testosterone" on his channel to raise it naturally without going TRT, Also, see his videos in general, it will change your life )


You may not believe that upon examining your dandruff, back pain, heartburn, high blood pressure, bouts of depression, headaches, and physical flaws, but He made you perfectly able to worship Him and be saved... Accept your mental and physical deficiencies with humility, bear what you can, and reject any false promise by Satan to improve your body in this life beyond what is needed to worship God.

I mostly Agree with this statement. Yes, no matter what medical condition you suffer, you will always be able to worship God and be saved. And yes, we must offer our sufferings to Christ as well. However, the conditions listed above are all induced by our own inclination towards gluttony, and the elites purposefully messing with the foods and water we eat and drink. If you are suffering from something such as Low-T or high blood pressure, look at the root cause, fix it, examine why your body has gotten to that point, bear your cross and stay away from synthetic fixes as much as possible. I do not blame the GenXrs and boomers for being sucked up into the TRT propaganda, it is mostly not their fault, they are victims of the culture. Sadly enough, these body ailments may get in the way of Prayer and overall spiritual life to those that are still novices, so they should be resolved naturally and asking for God's help as well.

That being said, you'll never catch me on anything synthetic for my hormones and I suggest the younger users the same.
 
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Sa6re

Robin
Healing the Gut is the key to just about every ailment we suffer. +1
Yes 100%. And this basically agrees with Tibetan medicine and other ancient techniques. Also Stress, mainly ignored unawares underlying emotional stress, severely affects stomach acid and the liver, damaging the digestive process. Stress also wrecks the endocrine system, hormones and such. As Roosh was saying modern life is a process of anaesthetising this stress in Modern Life is a Managed Terror. But if ignored, it comes to get you eventually, usually way before your natural time.
 

messaggera

Kingfisher
Woman
The father created an impenetrable armour for the spirit of the faithful. In my moments of high devotion to him I am in no doubt of this. Even though, sometimes I falter.

May we all be in the Spirit praying to Jesus Christ, Son of God, thanking Him for the truth and righteous way to Our Father.
Lets us remember our falters, and ask Christ for our mercies.


In times of Spiritual Battles - shield, helmet, and sword.
Above all, take the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Ephesians 6:16

For we live by faith and not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7

And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.
Ephesians 6: 1

Lord, open our eyes, open our hearts, open our lips to declare your praise.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Correct. The vast majority of people on any sort of drugs to manipulate hormones do it for vain reasons.




Healing the Gut is the key to just about every ailment we suffer. +1



Your assumption is likely correct. TRT is most likely and American thing because America loves to treat symptoms, and give its citizens quick fixes and not deal with the ROOT CAUSE. In this case, instead of looking at the patient's lifestyle, the doctor will prescribe TRT in order to boost his T immediately.

As expected, this thread triggered every GenXr here. I guess it would be the same as if you would make a thread about millennials never growing up, it will trigger the same reaction and excuses.

While the threat of Low-T is absolutely real, the problem here is that, as I mentioned above, people are being treated based on symptoms rather than the root cause of Low-T. The people on TRT will continue to eat the same, hormone-rich feedlot beef from the store and restaurants (if you dont know what feedlot beef is https://www.bigpicturebeef.com/feedlot-beef), wearing sunblock and blocking whatever vitamin D they could've gotten (Vitamin D is rampant and a big cause for low-t), eating the same chemically laden vegetables and fruits, living a Slothful, sedentary lifestyle, watching pornography, Masturbating, and overall have a mineral deficiency, mainly magnesium.

The person on TRT will ignore all of the above because they "feel great" on TRT. They will not switch to a Grass-fed, pasture-raised nose-to-tail meat diet(Animal testes will boost your T naturally https://frankiesfreerangemeat.com/p...-mountain-oysters?_pos=2&_sid=968af99ec&_ss=r) , Organically farmed fruits and vegetables, mineral-rich water(Buy Trace Mineral liquid to add to you water OR go to your local Polish/Euro store and buy their water. Their water comes with minerals unlike the American craze with still water), Grass fed dairy (Raw milk/Raw cheese, etc), go out during peak sun hours in order to get Vitamin D (May be TMI, but did you know that direct vitamin D to your testicles raise T in your blood? You can induce the same by using Vitamin D oil and transdermal absorption https://organsupplements.com/products/vitamin-d3-liquid-sun-1 ...) fix your gut microbiome etc etc. In short, their lifestyle will be the exact same, and it will only be masked because of the artificial T they are receiving. (Do yourself a favor, check this video out, and search "testosterone" on his channel to raise it naturally without going TRT, Also, see his videos in general, it will change your life )


You may not believe that upon examining your dandruff, back pain, heartburn, high blood pressure, bouts of depression, headaches, and physical flaws, but He made you perfectly able to worship Him and be saved... Accept your mental and physical deficiencies with humility, bear what you can, and reject any false promise by Satan to improve your body in this life beyond what is needed to worship God.

I mostly Agree with this statement. Yes, no matter what medical condition you suffer, you will always be able to worship God and be saved. And yes, we must offer our sufferings to Christ as well. However, the conditions listed above are all induced by our own inclination towards gluttony, and the elites purposefully messing with the foods and water we eat and drink. If you are suffering from something such as Low-T or high blood pressure, look at the root cause, fix it, examine why your body has gotten to that point, bear your cross and stay away from synthetic fixes as much as possible. I do not blame the GenXrs and boomers for being sucked up into the TRT propaganda, it is mostly not their fault, they are victims of the culture. Sadly enough, these body ailments may get in the way of Prayer and overall spiritual life to those that are still novices, so they should be resolved naturally and asking for God's help as well.

That being said, you'll never catch me on anything synthetic for my hormones and I suggest the younger users the same.
Isn't it possible one could pray to God for help for thier sitution and that God is perfectly fine getting testosterone to better his life before it quickly vanishes away?
 

Cr33pin

Peacock
Gold Member
Isn't it possible one could pray to God for help for thier sitution and that God is perfectly fine getting testosterone to better his life before it quickly vanishes away?

I am all for the power of prayer.... But I feel like maybe there is a disconnect between some views and the reality of the human world. If someone gets a serious illness we absolutely pray for them however we don't forgo medical treatment.... right? You can be a believer and still take a aspirin for a headache. I have herd some views on the forum that seemingly suggest man/woman need not do anything to better their health or their worldly situation as if a simple prayer will suffice. I am a Christian and I pray often.... however I also live a human life on this human planet and I realize that somethings I need to take care of on my own.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I admire Roosh's transparency and self-awareness, more people need to be able to evaluate themselves well. It's great to see.
I am older than Roosh (59). I didn't spend years looking to use my natural testosterone to have sex outside of marriage. Those years passed me by and I was still single.

Testosterone is a remarkable hormone. No one should use it for bodybuilding or better sex. A young man rarely is going to be short of T if he takes care of himself.

But when the day comes that you can tell the difference in your desire for sex (with your wife), and your ambition to do much of anything, you know you have a decision to make.

I am a married man, to a younger wife. She wants me to do whatever I think I need to do. She doesn't want me to feel or act like I am older than I really am. While I obviously want to benefit from TRT, my wife is part of all this decision making process too, she has to be.

But let's take being married out of the equation. A man still benefits from proper TRT in many ways. His brain, heart (contrary to what some have said but I am not going to go into that now), body, bones, pretty much everything is improved with TRT. He might even try harder to get married when on T because he will feel younger again.

Each of us has to do what they think God wants them to do. God invented testosterone. It is not evil, it is good. It serves it's purpose when we are young, but a decline in testosterone, especially if pronounced, is going to harm us. Is that what we want for our families? For our ability to work full-time?

Testosterone levels are not causing people to sin sexually. We can attribute that to our fallen state. Returning testosterone to what it once was is not going to cause anyone to sin either.

Just trying to present a different view. The same goes for ED meds like Viagra. They need not be to commit sin but to please your wife. They shouldn't be used to sin with. I am a very conservative person but I don't see any issue with using T, ED meds, PT-141, what difference does it make? What is the purpose of using them? I think that's all God cares about.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I am all for the power of prayer.... But I feel like maybe there is a disconnect between some views and the reality of the human world. If someone gets a serious illness we absolutely pray for them however we don't forgo medical treatment.... right? You can be a believer and still take a aspirin for a headache. I have herd some views on the forum that seemingly suggest man/woman need not do anything to better their health or their worldly situation as if a simple prayer will suffice. I am a Christian and I pray often.... however I also live a human life on this human planet and I realize that somethings I need to take care of on my own.
Me too. Life is fleeting. Us older guys know that full well. If there is something to help my comfort level and my overall health, I consider that a blessing. We are only going to be here so long.

Can someone use testosterone for God's glory? Of course they can.

Testosterone should not be worshiped of course, it is a thing, not a deity. Sex should not be worshipped.

God created both of those things and should glorify him. Why can't they?
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox
About the comment that the doctor doesn't know what T level is best for you, a man can tell what level is NOT good for him.

Yes, it pulses out throught the day, is highest at daytime and lowest at night, but getting tested several times between 8 and 10 am, will show what it is. If it is 300 ng/dl or less, and you feel like crap, you might want to get it higher. Also, if someone has tested in the past and has a baseline established (not many do) but that is another way to know how much you have dropped over the years.

Low T is a problem if you have it. I am not desiring to tell anyone they should go on TRT, because I am not going to make up their mind for them.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox

I found this quickly, there are other sources that explain the now debunked idea that TRT causes heart problems. I first got that from an article in Life Extention Foundation.

I look at it as age management.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Plan A:
- Eat broccoli, spinach, brown rice
- Eat salmon, turkey, eggs
- Go running 2x/week, or ball sports with the boys, climb mountains, go surfing or swimming
- Lift 2x week, or do other strength-oriented things like landscaping and etc.
- Drink water

Plan B:
- Take testosterone shots
Yes but if your T is too low, you can forget about any running and lifting, you will need to conserver all your energy just to work, and that may be tough to do.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox
TRT is an individual decision. Men must evaluate it on their own. My article describes why TRT is a worldly solution for the achievement of secular benefits, far distanced from the faith. Ultimately your body, your choice. Unless any medical treatment increases your faith in God, however, it is unlikely to be of God.
True, TRT like anything else can be used for the wrong reasons. I wholeheartedly agree with you that it must be evaluated by each person, reponsibly.

I do have this difference I want to point out. Ultimately, my body is not my own, it belongs to my wife and above that, my body belongs to God. If I am led by the Holy Spirit to use TRT or get used to accelerated physical and mental decline, why wouldn't I choose better health? I think I owe that to her, moreso if we had children.

Indeed as you have said, men must evaluate this on their own, and I would add ask their wife's opinion too.

We just need to be sure we are hearing from God when we ask him about our hormonal condition and what to do about it.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Having turned 40, and experiencing the decline in my physical abilities that I used to pride myself on, I can see the appeal of TRT - to try to hold on to the youth that is slipping away. I understand the desire, but also acknowledge the pointlessness of it.
Aging is inevitable. You can try to hold on as long as you like, but you will get old, no matter how much snake oil you take.
Whether at 40, 50 or 100, you're going to need to accept it sooner or later, but the longer you hold on to an ideal you can never have again, the more regret you will experience when you finally do get brought back to reality.
Wait until you are 60. Aging is ineveitable as you say. Life passes so quickly. Even more reason to me to make it as good as it can for as long as it can. For me personally, that glorifies God, and that's the bottom line.
 

Don Quixote

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
Originally posted on RooshV.com

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During the red pill phase of my life, I made a false god out of testosterone, a sex hormone produced in the testicles. I worshipped how it made feel more youthful, lustful, and energetic. I rearranged my entire lifestyle to allow it to be more “fertile” in my body, to multiply in concentration beyond my need so that I could pursue a life of sexual sin and muscular vanity. Now that the spell of my old life is broken, I can see clearly how modern man has made a false idol out of testosterone, worshipping it even above God.

Why do women get botox, lip fillers, and other dermatological procedures? To look younger, to improve their aesthetic appearance before others, most especially in internet photographs, and to be more alluring to a male sex partner with high social status. She doesn’t believe that God had a plan to bring her to eternal salvation in making her the way she is. Instead, she seeks benefits from the world that give her the daily food of bodily pleasure and emotional satisfaction. She denies the nature bestowed upon her by God to more effortlessly live a life away from God.

It’s not much different when a man, usually older than 30, decides to get injected with pharmaceutical-grade testosterone as part of the medical treatment called testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). In fact, he is embarking on a decision that is worse than the woman’s choice to get botox or lip fillers, because the testosterone hormone biologically alters the inner workings of every cell in his body, even within his brain, while the woman primarily manipulates her outer layer of skin. Like the woman, this man wants to delay aging, improve his appearance through increased muscle mass, attract the opposite sex, and as a bonus, throw more fuel on the fire of his sexual lust to seduce women he never intends to marry. In my past, when I did all that I could to organically maximize the concentration of testosterone in my body, I “prayed” that it would put me in a lustful state like that of a dog so I could more seamlessly fornicate with women I would have passed on had I maintained a more natural bodily state as determined by God’s commandments and the environmental reality of being a single man living in extreme safety and comfort.

Only God knows if your testosterone is low. The doctors and their laboratories don’t know. They use a needle and test tube to pull a sacrifice of your blood at a single time point and use that to make a proclamation of your entire masculine wellness. It would be like measuring the function of your heart by looking at only one heartbeat and then prescribing a variety of drugs based on that alone instead of hooking you up to a monitor that could measure all 100,000 beats your heart makes in a day, or 700,000 in a week, yet even if a doctor could take continuous measurements of your testosterone, how could they state with certainty that it was too high or too low for you? They compare your testosterone concentration to historical figures codified in medical textbooks that were assembled by taking single snapshots of men who lived in times far less cosmopolitan than now, when they actually fought in wars and worked physical jobs and had more than two children by the time they were 40, all without spending most of their days looking at digital screens.

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Men today live a lifestyle of a Pomeranian dog and want to have the testosterone of a German Shepard. You can inject the fluffy Pomeranian with as much testosterone as you want, and it will bark more frequently as it perceives it has become tougher, and it may even develop bulging biceps that it vainly admires in the mirror throughout the day, but it will never be able to defend its master’s house like the German Shepard. The solution is to accept who you are in the times you are in as God created you with humility and repentance instead of rushing to the shamans and witch doctors of our times to change it, not unlike how mentally deranged individuals attempt to change their sex in the name of transgenderism with the exact same vial and lot number with which you are injecting to heat your blood with passion and increase the frequency and realism of your sexual fantasies.

Testosterone is the hormone that God gave men to be protectors of society, wives, and children. When times are rough, the concentration of that hormone will naturally increase within your body to help you serve your duty before God, and when times are not so rough and you’re living like a tiny dog in comfort, the concentration will be low. There are other reasons that testosterone can be low, such as poisoning from plastics and eating genetically modified soy or high fructose corn syrup, but for most men, the level of testosterone you have is the level you need to remain a humble servant of God, and any attempt to manipulate that for primarily worldly gain is motivated by the exact same spirit that pushes women into the offices of dermatologists to have serums injected into their face so that their Instagram photos get more likes from men living in India.

God made you perfectly to serve your mission before Him. You may not believe that upon examining your dandruff, back pain, heartburn, high blood pressure, bouts of depression, headaches, and physical flaws, but He made you perfectly able to worship Him and be saved. From your perspective, you are anything but perfect, but in your ability to transcend the evils of this world to serve God in the next, there is nothing you can add through the tinkering of technology, chemicals, or drugs that could be considered an improvement. Accept your mental and physical deficiencies with humility, bear what you can, and reject any false promise by Satan to improve your body in this life beyond what is needed to worship God.

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What about herbs, supplements, vitamins, etc.? I'm curious where the line is in this rationale. Maybe it's the motive/impulse, towards vanity, that is the sin, or towards pride. The cult of health is like the cult of man, proud and satanic. But I wouldn't say taking herbs or supplements is inherently sinful either. So it seems its the subjective component here that can make something sinful or not.
 

get2choppaaa

Ostrich
What about herbs, supplements, vitamins, etc.? I'm curious where the line is in this rationale. Maybe it's the motive/impulse, towards vanity, that is the sin, or towards pride. The cult of health is like the cult of man, proud and satanic. But I wouldn't say taking herbs or supplements is inherently sinful either. So it seems its the subjective component here that can make something sinful or not.
Obviously I have a more view of liberal use of T compared to the majority of the folks on here, but I think this is a good point worth fleshing out.

How about multiple bloodwork checks in a year? At what point is there a determination between vanity and health? It is a slippery slope when we being to try and imply vanity as a motive for an individual's pursuit of health as you cant know their heart or intent. Np doubt there are many who are pursuing vanity... but there's also other considerations.

What if you have a family history of certain issues such as heart attack? or cancer? or diabetes? Do you draw the line at vitamin D? Fish oil? NAC? caffeine? berberine? doctor prescribed metformin/Insulin? anything that provides a health benefit? How about protein powder? Surely anything that extends one's life expectancy isn't purely based off of vanity... It is pretty easy to pass judgement on the internet on what someone else should do on the internet based off of what their perceptions of another's reasoning.

I think we can separate the particulars of the article to ask the above question but I tend to wonder if there isn't a demonization of the TRT issue based off of media hype/perception or a reaction to the TRT mills out there.
 
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