Trump Tulsi 2024

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You don`t appreciate how bad the situation is. We are being buried alive, one shovel of dirt at the time. Soon the censorship will be total. I`m observing what has happened throughout history, and the pattern of uprisings against the elites. (King`s, Emperors, nobility etc.) What might be different this time around is the reduced masculine force in western society, whether it`s due to lower T-levels/diet or whatever.

One thing is to become a martyr by an act of providence, but we should not seek out that faith. So we have to organize and fight at this time. The protests in France would have worked if you had millions in the streets, rather that 200k+ people. I think so at least.

We've been getting buried for years. Boomers and their parents love the kind of "rhetoric" you're using because they can just sit around and yell for somebody to do something while repeating it. It's the foundation of the "news" entertainment commentary business model where a guy wearing makeup flails his arms helplessly and whines between cialis and lipitor commercials.

All "burn it down", doomer garbage is the foolishness of old men who realize they've ruined their country and want to take their sons with them to the grave to bury their shame and anyone who witnessed it. And burning and burying is what your tens of millions would do.

Half the country (it would quickly be the whole country) just running around fighting...who exactly?... with no leadership, no real shared goal and no idea what to do once they've shot their wad is more likely to end in direct foreign rule and strict martial law than anything better than what is happening now. Is that what you want?

In reality, your plan will get a few scared and misguided people killed or arrested if anything even happens at all.



And unless you have a time machine you don't "observe" history, you study and read about it.
 
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Johnnyvee

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We've been getting buried for years. Boomers and their parents love the kind of "rhetoric" you're using because they can just sit around and yell for somebody to do something while repeating it. It's the foundation of the "news" entertainment commentary business model where a guy wearing makeup flails his arms helplessly and whines between cialis and lipitor commercials.

All "burn it down", doomer garbage is the foolishness of old men who realize they've ruined their country and want to take their sons with them to the grave to bury their shame and anyone who witnessed it. And burning and burying is what your tens of millions would do.

Half the country (it would quickly be the whole country) just running around fighting...who exactly?... with no leadership, no real shared goal and no idea what to do once they've shot their wad is more likely to end in direct foreign rule and strict martial law than anything better than what is happening now. Is that what you want?

In reality, your plan will get a few scared and misguided people killed or arrested if anything even happens at all.



And unless you have a time machine you don't "observe" history, you study and read about it.

I think that observation is based as much on biology as historical accounts. But they also are indicating that people used to rebel.

I don`t get the notion that taking to the streets and taking back freedoms etc. is the current norm somehow. I see very little of that, and of course from the wrong people also. Boomers are generally supporting the current zeitgeist if anything, or they are too afraid to take action. Doing nothing is what we are doing.
 

Sa6re

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Like Roosh said, Trump is dead. Erase that man from your memory, otherwise he will pull you further into hell.
To understand Trump and his purpose, I found this short breakdown by Owen Benjamin helpful:

‘How do you bring in right-wing? you satisfy the liberals? You bring in obama, who is black and anti-war etc. Then you give him the nobel peace prize, its just a brand...then he drops more bombs than any president in history, a right wing agenda...they fed them (the liberals), what they want...so how do you bring in a left-wing agenda, how do you bring in communism, socialism, socialised everything? you bring in Donald trump ‘we’re gonna lock her up’ ‘we’re gonna drain the swamp’

Find it here:
Owen Benjamin - Mechanisms of Control
 

get2choppaaa

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Orthodox
To understand Trump and his purpose, I found this short breakdown by Owen Benjamin helpful:

‘How do you bring in right-wing? you satisfy the liberals? You bring in obama, who is black and anti-war etc. Then you give him the nobel peace prize, its just a brand...then he drops more bombs than any president in history, a right wing agenda...they fed them (the liberals), what they want...so how do you bring in a left-wing agenda, how do you bring in communism, socialism, socialised everything? you bring in Donald trump ‘we’re gonna lock her up’ ‘we’re gonna drain the swamp’

Find it here:
Owen Benjamin - Mechanisms of Control
I do not agree that Trump was legitimately intending to be controlled opposition. He is the only person who has been effectively DE-platformed as a sitting president and had a coup against him by every element from the FBI/CIA/DOJ/DOD ect...

He's got A LOT of failures, aligned himself too hard with poor advisers/kushner types ect...but the fact of the matter is that like it or not he is who people are going to vote for because of their perception of what he stands for.

If Trump were legitimately controlled opposition then why would the deny him ability to communicate to the masses on regular methods of information exchange?

Now Will he pick better advisors? Will he even be allowed to run? Will he learn from his own mistakes? ect... All that remains to be seen, but signs point toward him running. I am still going to vote for him over some POC Hindu Prostitute.
 

Max Roscoe

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Trump is useless.. Tulsi.. she would make a great leader (and the list of women who could even be decent leaders is so short I can count it on one hand over the past century). But she is too common sense rational to ever be elected president. She's the left's version of Ron Paul... everyone seems to love them, all their positions are pretty good, people from the left and right both like them, and yet somehow they never seem to get the win when the votes are counted.:alien:

Tulsi was one of the most popular candidates in the primary, along with Bernie... one of the few who could have beat Trump, but the establishment *HATES* her. You can't have basic common sense rational candidates run for president. You have to be a freak or an elitist or a compromised millionaire.

There's nothing special about Trump, please forget him. The things people loved about him were really just his "common sense rational" ideas (along with a few histrionics) and finding someone with common sense rationality is not that hard.. getting them any sort of political momentum is near impossible.

Anyway, if you think there is any possibility of voting our way out of things, go watch a few Mark Dice videos and then come back and tell us how you feel.
 

Lace em up

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Trump is useless.. Tulsi.. she would make a great leader (and the list of women who could even be decent leaders is so short I can count it on one hand over the past century). But she is too common sense rational to ever be elected president. She's the left's version of Ron Paul... everyone seems to love them, all their positions are pretty good, people from the left and right both like them, and yet somehow they never seem to get the win when the votes are counted.:alien:

Tulsi was one of the most popular candidates in the primary, along with Bernie... one of the few who could have beat Trump, but the establishment *HATES* her. You can't have basic common sense rational candidates run for president. You have to be a freak or an elitist or a compromised millionaire.

There's nothing special about Trump, please forget him. The things people loved about him were really just his "common sense rational" ideas (along with a few histrionics) and finding someone with common sense rationality is not that hard.. getting them any sort of political momentum is near impossible.

Anyway, if you think there is any possibility of voting our way out of things, go watch a few Mark Dice videos and then come back and tell us how you feel.
I read this post multiple times trying to make sense of it.
It is confusing and contradictory.
Trump has massive political momentum.
Tulsi was among the most popular candidates.
They are both hated by the establishment.
They can both handle the heat.
Tulsi would bring with her, many disillusioned Dems.

TNT 2024 - Figuratively speaking, of course.
 

bucky

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Other Christian
I do not agree that Trump was legitimately intending to be controlled opposition. He is the only person who has been effectively DE-platformed as a sitting president and had a coup against him by every element from the FBI/CIA/DOJ/DOD ect...

He's got A LOT of failures, aligned himself too hard with poor advisers/kushner types ect...but the fact of the matter is that like it or not he is who people are going to vote for because of their perception of what he stands for.
I agree with this. Trump winning an election is good because at least:

1) It shows that heritage America still has some fight left in it.

2) It causes hilarious histrionic meltdowns among my political enemies, which is extremely entertaining.

I'd still rather have DeSantis, but if we get Trump again, at least there's that. I'm not sure it's likely though with all the deep state opposition stacked against him, as you mentioned.
 

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I think that observation is based as much on biology as historical accounts. But they also are indicating that people used to rebel.

I don`t get the notion that taking to the streets and taking back freedoms etc. is the current norm somehow. I see very little of that, and of course from the wrong people also. Boomers are generally supporting the current zeitgeist if anything, or they are too afraid to take action. Doing nothing is what we are doing.
@Lace em up ^This one's gibberish too. This is the fifth or sixth person I've talked to recently where this has happened. It's like an AI not being able to handle a paradox except it's logic that overloads them. Something weird is going on here, it's like I can see the matrix...:squintlol:

Also,
...she would make a great leader
How do you know?

There's nothing special about Trump, please forget him.
...No?

go watch a few Mark Dice videos and then come back and tell us how you feel.
You can't come up with your own arguments or give a synopsis of how his views might be important in this discussion?

I've been fascinated to see these kinds of phrases in comments all over the internet. It's actually really good persuasion for making me want to do the opposite of what they say.
 

Johnnyvee

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@Lace em up ^This one's gibberish too. This is the fifth or sixth person I've talked to recently where this has happened. It's like an AI not being able to handle a paradox except it's logic that overloads them. Something weird is going on here, it's like I can see the matrix...:squintlol:

Also,

How do you know?


...No?


You can't come up with your own arguments or give a synopsis of how his views might be important in this discussion?

I've been fascinated to see these kinds of phrases in comments all over the internet. It's actually really good persuasion for making me want to do the opposite of what they say.

Yeah, spend your time arguing about semantics and small details, while we lose our basic freedoms by the minute. This type of "gotcha," king of the internet forums stuff will get us nowhere. And rallying behind Trump will get us nowhere either. We`ve tried that already.
 

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Yeah, spend your time arguing about semantics and small details, while we lose our basic freedoms by the minute. This type of "gotcha," king of the internet forums stuff will get us nowhere. And rallying behind Trump will get us nowhere either. We`ve tried that already.
"If you look too closely at what I'm saying and take time to think about it you're killing America"

"Trump didn't solve all my problems in four years so let's burn the country down"

I didn't say we have to rally behind Trump either, but I can tell from your responses you didn't read my posts.
 

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Things got worse in the end didn`t they? (Whether Trump did his best or not.)

That's what happens when you start fighting back. Things have been getting worse for a long time but Trump's movement (whether he intended it to or not) brought the corruption into the limelight and showed the nation that there is still a huge base of honest men who love their country.

The election system and all our institutions have been revealed as corrupted. Trump's movement showed us that.

He didn't solve all your problems and now you're mad? 50+ years of corruption and complacency aren't undone in four years!!
 
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Johnnyvee

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That's what happens when you start fighting back. Things have been getting worse for a long time but Trump's movement (whether he intended it to or not) brought the corruption into the limelight and showed the nation that there is still a huge base of honest men who love their country.

The election system and all our institutions have been revealed as corrupted. Trump's movement showed us that.

He didn't solve all your problems and now you're mad? 50+ years of corruption and complacency aren't undone in four years!!

And yet you want more of the same? We have the leaders we have, and we must put massive pressure on them.
 

get2choppaaa

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Trump is useless.. Tulsi.. she would make a great leader (and the list of women who could even be decent leaders is so short I can count it on one hand over the past century). But she is too common sense rational to ever be elected president. She's the left's version of Ron Paul... everyone seems to love them, all their positions are pretty good, people from the left and right both like them, and yet somehow they never seem to get the win when the votes are counted.:alien:

Tulsi was one of the most popular candidates in the primary, along with Bernie... one of the few who could have beat Trump, but the establishment *HATES* her. You can't have basic common sense rational candidates run for president. You have to be a freak or an elitist or a compromised millionaire.

There's nothing special about Trump, please forget him. The things people loved about him were really just his "common sense rational" ideas (along with a few histrionics) and finding someone with common sense rationality is not that hard.. getting them any sort of political momentum is near impossible.

Anyway, if you think there is any possibility of voting our way out of things, go watch a few Mark Dice videos and then come back and tell us how you feel.
I have ZERO reason to believe she would make a good leader.... She has flipped on the gay marriage agenda when she previously had strong ties to be anti-gay marriage. So what else will she flip on? Whats her stance on vaccines/taxes/guns/ ect... She supports variations of free college, has an F rating on gun rights, is for a single payer healthcare system, wants to legalize prostitution, she voted "present" during the impeachement coup.

If we are saying Trump is garbage based off of his record, then how does this twit compare?
That's what happens when you start fighting back. Things have been getting worse for a long time but Trump's movement (whether he intended it to or not) brought the corruption into the limelight and showed the nation that there is still a huge base of honest men who love their country.

The election system and all our institutions have been revealed as corrupted. Trump's movement showed us that.

He didn't solve all your problems and now you're mad? 50+ years of corruption and complacency aren't undone in four years!!
Trump and RNC/GOP Inc didnt respond to the Transition Integrity Project/Podesta/Clinton/Legal Fare onslaught that was obviously going on under their noses. For this they should all be removed from office....

That notwithstanding, the faith in our country's institutions is at an ALL TIME LOW and this is a good thing thanks to Donald Trump. We will need multiple elections to fix this, if it is fixable via democracy. I am more predicative of some fractioning off of the nation as others have done with multi-state confederations being the new norm.

He exposed a lot of the corruption and Americans, after the 30 years of Reagan-Bush-Clinton-W-Obama finally see the malignant tumor that is our government.

this is why Trump is good, right or wrong, his symbolism is for Heritage Americans who have populist leanings. That's how he got into power initially despite the powers that be so strongly fighting him.
 

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“Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me”...has never been more apropos of anything.
I know I'm in the minority but I don't consider myself fooled by Trump because I never expected him to do anything but make people mad and shake things up. He did.

The solution to what we're seeing in our culture was the same in 2016 as it will be in 2024:
Pull your kids out of the communist education mill
Get a gun and learn how to use it safely and legally
Dive deep into the corporations and politicians you support
Build a good network
Get off the government teat
Protect your comms
Stop blindly trusting the media, medical charlatans and the government

That and more has been happening all over the place since Trump. I'd say he did more than I ever expected.

Edit: Awareness has been growing since Obama but Trump supercharged it.
 
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Papaya

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I know I'm in the minority but I don't consider myself fooled by Trump because I never expected him to do anything but make people mad and shake things up. He did.

The solution to what we're seeing in our culture was the same in 2016 as it will be in 2024:
Pull your kids out of the communist education mill
Get a gun and learn how to use it safely and legally
Dive deep into the corporations and politicians you support
Build a good network
Get off the government teat
Protect your comms
Stop blindly trusting the media, medical charlatans and the government

That and more has been happening all over the place since Trump. I'd say he did more than I ever expected.

Edit: Awareness has been growing since Obama but Trump supercharged it.
Sure...But none of that is what he ran on.

Dont promise to burn the deadly wasp nest down and then just kick it with the people you brought standing close around it
 
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Max Roscoe

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
I read this post multiple times trying to make sense of it.
It is confusing and contradictory.
Trump has massive political momentum.
Tulsi was among the most popular candidates.
They are both hated by the establishment.
They can both handle the heat.
Tulsi would bring with her, many disillusioned Dems.

TNT 2024 - Figuratively speaking, of course.

I'm comparing Tulsi on the left and Ron Paul on the right.
Trump not at all.
 

Max Roscoe

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
You can't come up with your own arguments or give a synopsis of how his views might be important in this discussion?

I've been fascinated to see these kinds of phrases in comments all over the internet. It's actually really good persuasion for making me want to do the opposite of what they say.
:laughter::laughter:
What I hear you saying is:
I'm not familiar with Mark Dice; what is the relevance?

Mark Dice does the Jay Leno man-on-the-street bit, where he asks people basic questions like "What is worth more, a bar of silver or a Hershey's bar" or "What was Joe Biden's big job before he became president?" and no one is able to answer correctly. Or getting feminists to sign petitions for ending women's suffrage. He's basically a study in how dumb the average person actually is.

In other words, no one needs to go watch his videos, the point is that the average citizen is far too dumb to be relied on to make rational decisions, and democracy is all about giving the average, the majority, what they want.
 
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