Two illegal Latinos rape 14-year-old girl in Maryland high school

[Merenguero]

I'll try to explain how this works. Both of these guys presently have Preliminary Hearings scheduled. Sanchez's hearing is on April 14 and Montano's hearing is on March 31. There is more than a 99% chance that a Preliminary Hearing will not actually be held as to either Defendant. That's just the general practice. What will happen is that they will either be indicted prior to their Preliminary Hearings (highly likely) or the felony charges will be dropped and they will either be recharged with misdemeanors or the case will be dropped completely at the Preliminary Hearing (highly unlikely, but possible). The standard to get a grand jury indictment is very low. The state need only prove probable cause. If they are indicted, the case will be forwarded to Circuit Court.

Once the attorneys enter their appearances in Circuit Court, there will be a Scheduling Hearing, at which the court may set a Pre-Trial Hearing, a Motions Hearing, and a trial date. Other than a Motion for Grand Jury Testimony, the main type of Motion filed in cases such as this is the Motion for Suppression of Evidence. Such a Motion is generally used to keep the Defendant's statements, illegal searches, and seizures, and the fruits of any illegal searches out of evidence. I have not yet heard anything about any statements that the Defendants have made or about any searches. There may have been some D.N.A. evidence collected from the Defendants. The Defendant can always withdraw a previously filed Motion to Suppress if, during the discovery process, it is clear that there are no suppression issues. Plea offers may or may not be made at the Pre-Trial and/or Motions hearing. That depends on a number of factors, such as whether the main prosecutor handling the case is present at those hearings, how strong the state believes the evidence is, etc.

While the case is pending in Circuit Court, multiple prosecutors and probably one or more victim/witness coordinators will be interviewing and meeting with the alleged victim and other state witnesses. If the witness is uncooperative or for some reason, not credible, that can greatly affect the case going forward. The state can even choose to drop the case well in advance of the trial date. I've seen it happen. Many times. I'm not saying that it will definitely happen here, but it may.

 

[Samseau]

This case would take a turn for crazy if it turns out the girl had prior sexual relations with at least one of the guys.

Samseau I don't know how you do it...but the Washington Post is now reporting that the girl sent texts and “explicitly compromising images of herself” to the accused prior to the incident:

Attorneys for one of the two suspects accused of raping a 14-year-old girl in a bathroom stall at Rockville High School said the girl texted their client the day before the incident and agreed to have sex with him, according to court papers filed Monday.

The girl also texted “explicitly compromising images of herself” to him, the attorneys asserted in the court filing.

Also hints that the girl had previous sexual relations with one of the accused:

On March 17, the suspects appeared in court and were ordered held on no-bond status, based on the seriousness of the charges and their immigration history that made them extreme flight risks. Montano was charged as an adult.

On Monday, the attorneys for Montano asked for a hearing to have his bond conditions reviewed. They cited new evidence that has surfaced — the text messages allegedly sent by the girl to their client. The girl, they said, wrote about previous sexual activity with Montano and agreed to have sex with him “the next day, during P.E. class.”

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So now the story will be her boyfriend forced her to bang another man?

 

[Merenguero]

Any remote chance the alleged victim is here illegally? If so, would that change anyone's views on this case?

Edit: I read something that leads me to believe that there may be suppression issues in this case. One or both Defendants made statements to someone, likely the police. That in no way means that the statements were unlawfully obtained.

 

[BrewDog]

Any remote chance the alleged victim is here illegally? If so, would that change anyone's views on this case?

As much as people are trying to paint Trump as Satan himself with regards to immigration enforcement, ICE isn't going to fuck with that girl that's a victim of a sexual assault (allegedly). You notice ICE agents went and picked up the dad of one of the accused, but they're not going to mess around with the girl or her family. That would be very inhumane in anyone's eyes, and if nothing else, it would give the sanctuary cities ammo to further claim that DHS actions will prevent aliens from reporting crimes against them.

It doesn't change my point of view. If the girl and her family are illegal, they're likely scared of the feds right now. But they shouldn't be.

 

[Merenguero]

^^^
Not only would they be unlikely to fuck with her, but there are immigration benefits for being the victim of a crime. I will say that the defense making that immigration benefit argument to impeach the alleged victim's credibility is not extremely popular with anyone, but it is something that prosecutors may very well look into when deciding to go forward with a case.

 

[BrewDog]

^^^
Not only would they be unlikely to fuck with her, but there are immigration benefits for being the victim of a crime. I will say that the defense making that immigtatiom benefit argument to impeach the alleged victim's credibility is not extremely popular with anyone, but it is something that prosecutors may very well look into when deciding to go forward with a case.

I don't doubt that the defense will make a case using that, as they should be expected to (gotta try every angle right?).

What are you hearing about the suppression angle of the defendant's interviews? Is it that they might not have understood Miranda because of the language gap? The defense will always use this one when there's a case against illegals.

 

[Kona]

You look like a little weasel too.

With all due respect to both sides, reading this just made me laugh/snort the Busch Beer out of my nose and eyes. Its even delicious then.

I'm torn on this one. With rape, it is my belief that the second a female accuser tells many thing close to a lie, or there is evidence to support a lie, the whole thing is a lie.

I don't believe people that are in the country should enjoy the same rights as I've earned by birthright and my actions, but I don't think we should fry the illegals formrape either.

Fisto, how would you feel if the raper kids were in the USA on student visas?

Aloha!

 

[Merenguero]

^^^
Not only would they be unlikely to fuck with her, but there are immigration benefits for being the victim of a crime. I will say that the defense making that immigtatiom benefit argument to impeach the alleged victim's credibility is not extremely popular with anyone, but it is something that prosecutors may very well look into when deciding to go forward with a case.

I don't doubt that the defense will make a case using that, as they should be expected to (gotta try every angle right?).

What are you hearing about the suppression angle of the defendant's interviews? Is it that they might not have understood Miranda because of the language gap? The defense will always use this one when there's a case against illegals.

All I have heard is that there were statements made. I don't at this point know the specifics as to the statements. The police here are way too well trained and too experienced with the Hispanic community to mess up the language, especially in a case such as this. I have seen language issues with regard to Miranda countless times in other places, including with the Federal Authorities. I saw a Federal Agent who was "fluent" in Spanish completely mess up Miranda and other parts of the confession and my client walked.

Here's what this bollocks wrote for the Defendant's responses to his questions. The line said "Fecha de nacimiento." He wrote "Morales, Mexico." First of all, the place is called Morelos, that particular place, at least, and second, he answered place of birth instead of birthdate. It doesn't get much easier than that.

 

[BrewDog]

With all due respect to both sides, reading this just made me laugh/snort the Busch Beer out of my nose and eyes. Its even delicious then.

I was about to like your post, but drinking Busch is a perversion of everything I hold dear in the world of beer drinking. I would rather bleed from my taint than drink that swill.

 

[Merenguero]

With all due respect to both sides, reading this just made me laugh/snort the Busch Beer out of my nose and eyes. Its even delicious then.

I was about to like your post, but drinking Busch is a perversion of everything I hold dear in the world of beer drinking. I would rather bleed from my taint than drink that swill.

Did you steal that line from delicioustacos?

 

[BrewDog]

With all due respect to both sides, reading this just made me laugh/snort the Busch Beer out of my nose and eyes. Its even delicious then.

I was about to like your post, but drinking Busch is a perversion of everything I hold dear in the world of beer drinking. I would rather bleed from my taint than drink that swill.

Did you steal that line from delicioustacos?

I don't remember seeing a post from delicioustacos about drinking Busch and bleeding from his taint. But I drink a lot and I don't remember lots of things.

Was there a post from him saying this somewhere? I don't remember ever seeing it. I thought I was being original.

 

[Merenguero]

With all due respect to both sides, reading this just made me laugh/snort the Busch Beer out of my nose and eyes. Its even delicious then.

I was about to like your post, but drinking Busch is a perversion of everything I hold dear in the world of beer drinking. I would rather bleed from my taint than drink that swill.

Did you steal that line from delicioustacos?

I don't remember seeing a post from delicioustacos about drinking Busch and bleeding from his taint. But I drink a lot and I don't remember lots of things.

Was there a post from him saying this somewhere? I don't remember ever seeing it. I thought I was being original.

He uses the words "taint" and "shitpipe" very fluently, so he might have posted that somewhere.

 

[BrewDog]

He uses the words "taint" and "shitpipe" very fluently, so he might have posted that somewhere.

I've been using the word taint for decades. I'm fairly certain that the taco guy doesn't have a copyright on taint.

 

[Engineer]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...9aa75d3ec57_story.html?utm_term=.1cfac8c41c4e

The most bizarre part of that story is the attorney drives a Kia Optima WTF!?!?!?!

 

[porscheguy]

Have you seen house prices in Montgomery county?

 

[budoslavic]

Snippet from above mentioned link to the article:

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Prosecutor Mary Herdman argued that regardless of any previous consent the girl may have given to Montano, the act was not consensual and that the defendant and Sanchez Milian appeared to conspire together to commit the assault.

Herdman said the Montgomery County State's Attorney’s Office also has images of both Montano and Sanchez Milian flashing MS-13 gang signs.

MS-13 is a criminal gang with a growing presence in Montgomery County and other areas around Washington, D.C. Many of its members come from El Salvador or other Central American countries.

The attorneys for the defendant said they were not aware of the photos, and Andrew Jezic, an attorney for Sanchez Milian, told reporters outside the courthouse that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement had detained his client and found no gang affiliations.
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Deport their asses. Don't waste taxpayers' money to defend these illegal immigrants.

 

[Thomas Jackson]

Snippet from above mentioned link to the article:

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Prosecutor Mary Herdman argued that regardless of any previous consent the girl may have given to Montano, the act was not consensual and that the defendant and Sanchez Milian appeared to conspire together to commit the assault.

Herdman said the Montgomery County State's Attorney’s Office also has images of both Montano and Sanchez Milian flashing MS-13 gang signs.

MS-13 is a criminal gang with a growing presence in Montgomery County and other areas around Washington, D.C. Many of its members come from El Salvador or other Central American countries.

The attorneys for the defendant said they were not aware of the photos, and Andrew Jezic, an attorney for Sanchez Milian, told reporters outside the courthouse that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement had detained his client and found no gang affiliations.
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Deport their asses. Don't waste taxpayers' money to defend these illegal immigrants.

Maybe not for this serious crime, but for minor stuff like DUI's putting illegals through the court process makes no sense. Just get them out.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

This case would take a turn for crazy if it turns out the girl had prior sexual relations with at least one of the guys.

Samseau I don't know how you do it...but the Washington Post is now reporting that the girl sent texts and “explicitly compromising images of herself” to the accused prior to the incident:

Attorneys for one of the two suspects accused of raping a 14-year-old girl in a bathroom stall at Rockville High School said the girl texted their client the day before the incident and agreed to have sex with him, according to court papers filed Monday.

The girl also texted “explicitly compromising images of herself” to him, the attorneys asserted in the court filing.

Also hints that the girl had previous sexual relations with one of the accused:

On March 17, the suspects appeared in court and were ordered held on no-bond status, based on the seriousness of the charges and their immigration history that made them extreme flight risks. Montano was charged as an adult.

On Monday, the attorneys for Montano asked for a hearing to have his bond conditions reviewed. They cited new evidence that has surfaced — the text messages allegedly sent by the girl to their client. The girl, they said, wrote about previous sexual activity with Montano and agreed to have sex with him “the next day, during P.E. class.”

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So now the story will be her boyfriend forced her to bang another man?

Some guys invite their buddies over to bang hoes.

With evidence like that rape has moved into the marital rape category.

At best she can only state that she changed her mind or did not consent to the other guy. If however it turns out that one of the guys made a recording of the whole act, then it is game over for her.

You know - sometimes bitches have to write off bad decisions.

Just as one famous second generation feminist said, that she had herself to blame after following a Hell's Angels gang and being gang-raped by them. “if you play with fire, you get burnt.”

She stated that this kind of freedom comes with risks.

That girl just found out that banging certain men comes with risks. If found that she fucked one of them and invited him over, then those guys should be barely punished even if she was actually raped. It is word against word and frankly you cannot believe her words in that instance.

 

[nomadbrah]

It's incredible guys don't understand that tag teaming a girl without explicit interest ahead of the act, gets called rape much easier than otherwise. If I had to guess 90% of dubious rape cases involve multiple people. Sex with the ugly bro = rape.

 

[Menace]

Rape charges dropped in case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.e7c2387b041c

In court on Friday, prosecutors said they will drop the sex assault case against Jose Montano, 17. On Thursday evening, they told a lawyer for Henry Sanchez Milian, 18, that they would also drop his sex assault case, according the lawyer, Andrew Jezic.

The judge ordered Montano released from custody on Friday.

Defense lawyers for both defendants have said the sex acts were consensual and that text messages and school surveillance videos did not substantiate the girl’s claims she had been pushed from a hallway into a bathroom at Rockville High School on March 16 where the suspects took turns assaulting her in a stall as she tried to break free.

Prosecutors declined to comment before the hearing about the decision in the case that rocked the suburban community near Washington, D.C. But they had signaled in an early court proceeding that they were having challenges corroborating events the girl described to Montgomery County Police detectives and that led to the arrests of Sanchez Milian and Montano.

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On March 16, they had been called to the school after the 14-year-old girl told a staff member she’d been raped. The detectives spoke to the girl, who according to their affidavits, told them she knew Montano, and they had been talking in a school hallway that morning.

She said he asked to have sex and when she refused, pushed her into a boys’ bathroom and pulled her into a stall, according to the police affidavits. Sanchez Milian then entered the stall, according to girl’s account in the affidavit, and both raped her as she cried out and told them to stop.

Montano “denied having any sexual contact with [the victim]. Montano stated they went into the bathroom to tell jokes,” detectives wrote after talking with him.

They also spoke with Sanchez Milian who “initially stated nothing happened,” the police affidavits state, “then changed his statement multiple times and admitted having sex with the victim with his friend Montano.”

Faced with the choice of filing charges, or not arresting the suspects as an investigation continued, the police brought charges. Hours later, the two teens were locked in the Montgomery County Detention Center.


Prosecutors took over the case and as they reviewed text messages, found there may have been an agreement between Montano and the girl that they would have sex. They also looked into whether Montano and Sanchez Milian — in text messages — had plotted to turn the planned encounter into a rape.

At a court hearing March 30 over setting bond, Assistant State’s Attorney Mary Herdman told a judge evidence was being discovered daily — some of it bolstering the accusations and some not. At that point of the investigation, though, she said text messages between the suspects showed they had at a minimum planned to commit a crime.