Ugly Custody Battle Leads Father To Throw Son, Himself Off Building

[Beyond Borders]

Custody is a power struggle. It's a female's final stand showing she has power over him by controlling access to his kid. This is like his last fuck you to her.

Killing yourself is...maybe...in a twisted, fucked-up state of mind a last fuck you. Okay, I can envision that.

Killing an innocent child is not. That shit is just beyond selfish. Sorry bro but you could try all year and never rationalize that.

You can take the moral position on this all you want but until you've been put in the situation you can never really understand. Women will push you and raise the stakes. This is just him calling her bluff.

"The moral position?" lol

Sorry, Parlay - I've liked a lot of your posts and am actually surprised I've never repped you before.

But even beyond the ridiculousness of calling my insistence that murdering your own child is beyond fucked up a convenient moral position because I just don't "really understand"....you're basing your opinion on....nothing?

Unless you have some information on this case the rest of us don't I honestly can't understand where you're coming from even for a second. This guy is a man so he must have really been under pressure to murder his own kid? His bitch must have really been fucking with him?

Really???? Because there's no male douchebags in the world...?

We know nothing about this guy. I would venture that there are probably just as many fucked up males in the world as female...just look around you!

But I don't even have to argue this point because this guy already proved he's a fucked up person. He killed his own kid.

Yet we're going to immediately side with him because he (presumably) has a cock and balls...without knowing any other details of the case????

Nah, fuck that.

If this is where the manosphere is headed, y'all boys can have it.

I'll think for myself, thank you.

 

[TigerMandingo]

When I read about people like Gagarin and Kalashnikov, I am proud to be Russian. When I read this, I am ashamed.

Hate to nitpick, but apparently the guy was Ukrainian. From Kharkiv.

 

[Bushido]

Some of you guys are sounding as bad as the feminists.

Knee-jerk reactions all round without doing any real thinking.

This guy MURDERED his own son in cold blood.

I don't care how fucked up the system is.

I don't care how depressed or mentally ill he was.

"Feeling bad" is no rationalization for killing children...in Christmas pyjamas no less.

If it was simply "the system" he would have killed himself and been done with it. This goes way beyond that.

In better times men would have dismissed this guy as the evil piece of shit that he obviously was.

Where is the morality? Would it hurt to give the wife the benefit of the doubt for once?

 

[Agastya]

We know nothing about this guy. I would venture that there are probably just as many fucked up males in the world as female...just look around you!

But I don't even have to argue this point because this guy already proved he's a fucked up person. He killed his own kid.

Yet we're going to immediately side with him because he (presumably) has a cock and balls...without knowing any other details of the case????

Nah, fuck that.

If this is where the manosphere is headed, y'all boys can have it.

I'll think for myself, thank you.

This.

Every apologist post on this thread is not only idiotic, it's also harmful to the manosphere as a whole. There is no justification for killing an innocent child, let alone your own son. None whatsoever. This was an act of utter depravity and stupidity, something only the most omega of omega males could accomplish. And no, it wasn't "feminism" that made him do this. Sure, it is true that the feminist influence on custody law probably did screw him over, which is deplorable. People of both genders, however, have been doing this since time immemorial.

The cynicism that pervades this thread is unhealthy and detrimental to RVF's entire cause. Do any of you realize how bad comments like these make us look? Of course the manginas and radfems are going to be up in arms about anything we say, but think of an average Joe, who, on the cusp of taking the red pill, comes across this thread. He'd probably lose all faith in this site and its teachings altogether. It also validates every member of the peanut gallery who calls us shitty, angry woman-haters, since that's exactly what these posts make us sound like.

The manosphere constantly emphasizes the fact that woman have the potential to be awful, disgusting people, something that the mainstream media doesn't fully recognize. This leads some to believe that men are incapable of being just as deplorably terrible. When evidence arises that men can, in fact, be just as horrible and messed up as women, these individuals get confused and blame women anyway.

 

[Peregrine]

Seconding Beyond Borders' position on the issue. While I can certainly empathize with the trauma that might lead a man to this particular ledge, it's still a reprehensible act.

There is no honor in killing your own son to spite your ex-wife.

 

[Vaun]

This guy was the epitome of weakling, period. Instead of rationally learning about how to divorce in the best way to ensure his access to his child, he chose to burn it all down. He was incapable of viewing another result other than having a family. He was incapable of knowing lots of men have had children out of wedlock, have been divorced, have gained 50/50 custody or close, and gone on to lead happy successful lives. The initial shock in this scenario for most men is to not grasp all of their options, in life, in custody. There is a 50/50 chance here too that he was a victim or a tyrant, by this behavior, would have to believe he was at fault for the divorce. He acted like an emotional baby, and probably was, a 30 year old man child. So what if he hurt her, this is his life's legacy.

This whole MRM mantra of "the system made him do it", is all bullshit. Judges are increasingly more and more fair, and all he had to do was show he was capable of having a little kid in his home. Simple really.

 

[sylo]

You can not have it both ways. You say maybe something was wrong with him because of the case, or maybe it was genetics. The system made him snap! He was pre-disposed.

In that same regard then he should have never been allowed to see his son with out supervision. Look at what happened literally the first unsupervised visit he was able to have. Could it be she was fighting for custody because she feared for her son? Could it be she was a bitch? All we know is she was not the one who decided to splatter his poor little brains all over the roof of the building far below.

 

[J.J.]

However, I think that we need to remember that to be able to do what he did would pretty much require being mentally ill.

Mentally ill. Isn't that a pretty good argument for him to not have custody of the child in the first place? Courts should always side with the non-mentally ill male or female over the mentally ill one.

 

[samsamsam]

This reminds me of a doc MikeCF suggested called "Dear Zachary". She ends up killing her son and herself even though everyone tried to keep her way from her son. Oh and she killed the father also. I watched it and, though it was good, it was depressing.

http://www.dearzachary.com/

 

[cardguy]

I have more sympathy for a dude like Thomas Ball.

http://powernpraise.com/Krazie316/Thomas_James_Ball.htm

He set himself on fire outside the court steps in protest against the abuse he suffered during his divorce.

And he doesn't even get a wikipedia page. If it has been a chick she would have got a statue.

Cardguy

PS The link above is to the wikipedia page as it looked before it got pulled down.

 

[HD668B]

If this man wasn't getting raped in divorce, do you think he would have jumped with his kid?

Durrrrrrr

 

[Suits]

However, I think that we need to remember that to be able to do what he did would pretty much require being mentally ill.

Mentally ill. Isn't that a pretty good argument for him to not have custody of the child in the first place? Courts should always side with the non-mentally ill male or female over the mentally ill one.

1. Assuming that there was an impressively accurate screening process and plenty of funds to do so, he should have been institutionalized. We are talking about a very sick person here.

2. I would posit that it is most likely that the courts often side with a mentally ill woman over a mentally stable man.

 

[Agastya]

If this man wasn't getting raped in divorce, do you think he would have jumped with his kid?

Durrrrrrr

No, but he's an idiot for not pursuing the options that might allow him to get custody(which, though overshadowed by feminist policy, do exist). He was also, you know, willing to fling his three year old son off a building, so I don't really think that his divorce rape really made a difference. If it wasn't this, it would have been some other fucked up shit later on, since this dude was clearly unstable.

We should understand the possibility that his ex-wife was completely reasonable in choosing to divorce him.

 

[Timoteo]

I don't think these kinds of tragedies are meant to be understood by the rest of us. I can't fathom the despair and pain a person must be experiencing to push them to the decision to end their own lives, let alone the life of their own child. But people commit suicide every day. We read every now and then how women take the lives of their own children. There's no logic to things like this. You simply don't know how any individual will respond to what this man was faced with. Are rage and depression "mental illnesses," or temporary responses to negative events? If his split from the wife had been less contentious, would he have done this? There's no way of knowing. We only know what he did. Killing the child was the nuclear option for inflicting pain on the soon-to-be ex-wife. Killing himself was the escape from the consequences of that, and his escape from the miserable life he envisioned had he not taken the child's life. He surely accomplished both, but at an incredible cost. Think about it...a POLICE STATION was chosen as the neutral site to exchange the child. A place where they bring criminals and suspected criminals. A place where people go to report crimes. THAT'S where the child was handed over. There's no sense to be made of this one.