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Feyoder

Pelican
I've had the same thoughts. I imagine pilots, especially fighter pilots, are game for this fight - if no other reason than they will actually have a worthy adversary and time to prove their mettle. Maybe the same among Navy guys, where the battle is tech-based.

Otherwise, I doubt there is much spirit to "take it to those Russkies." Any infantryman that gets to sleep on cold, wet ground so he can have the pleasures of a direct-fire battle with Russians at first light is bound to have reservations. If any of them are paying attention to polling at home, they know the American population is not into this fight. That hurts morale going in. Men will fight for their lives, and their buddies, but they hate the thought of doing it for an unwilling home team.

Save a few glory-hound Generals (that 82d Airborne commander that brought the war-trophy Afghani jeep back for his museum comes to mind), this is no sandbox for play. I know one very well-seasoned special forces soldier that is not into this - at all.

Only caveat I have to this is that I've been out of service for some time. Things may have changed, as discussed plenty here.

Aside from a (maybe) technological advantage, this is a fight the US Army has not had in a very long time.



LOL! Someone picked australia for the location of ukraine? Which US university was this poll conducted at?
 

Easy_C

Peacock
I see what you did there.

Are you now saying that history, agency and rivalry existed before Covid1984 broke people's brains?

Somewhat.


There is also some very bad blood between some certain "tribal" Democrat/Neocon elites, and Putin that is Personal..

Putin's not the "puppet". The reason why they hate him is because forced out [((Berezovsky))] who was supposed to be the puppet(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Berezovsky_(businessman)) and ran him out of the country. That person "hung themselves" in 2013.
 

La Águila Negra

Ostrich
Other Christian
I think this conflict main purpose is to serve the gREAT rESET. It provides grounds for taking down the net and installing internet ID and a scare tactic for the coming elections in US, a tried and tested method. After the elections are settled they will come back with the virus agenda.

If this is all Great Reset then why are the three worst (in terms of Covid1984 tyranny) and leading countries in the EU - France, Germany, Italy - moving heaven and earth to avoid conflict, keep the gas flowing and find a diplomatic way out? As opposed to the US/UK?

Why did Germany go ahead with creating energy dependence in the first place?

Also, how does the economic decoupling of Russia - which will lead to economic hardship first but to true independence later, serve globalism?

People have gotten pretty emotionally invested in their adopted (read: disseminated) new Truths.

Not only is the 'Global Conspiracy Theory' entirely bunk, but even the previously considered agency-less 'WEF puppets' are now barking at each other . 2022 will bring much more of this after György S. had his contemporary 1933 Judea declares War on Germany speech not too long ago.

This is an old school state-based Big Zbig tier Grand Chessboard play, and ze Great Reset plays second fiddle if any.
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
Other Christian
This article from 1993 shows quite the foresight;

"...Most Western observers want Ukraine to rid itself of nuclear weapons as quickly as possible. In this view, articulated recently by President Bill Clinton, Europe would be more stable if Russia were to become "the only nuclear-armed successor state to the Soviet Union." The United States and its European allies have been pressing Ukraine to transfer all of the nuclear weapons on its territory to the Russians, who naturally think this is an excellent idea. President Clinton is wrong. The conventional wisdom about Ukraine's nuclear weapons is wrong. In fact, as soon as it declared independence, Ukraine should have been quietly encouraged to fashion its own nuclear deterrent. Even now, pressing Ukraine to become a nonnuclear state is a mistake..."

Seems like a pretty red-pilled academic, including opposing the Gulf war and the ZOG lobbyist groups in the US!
 

GuitarVH

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
I'm equally impressed by the amount of people who thought that the Black Sea is a country.

The Black Sea is a country consisting 100% of immigrants from Central Africa. Recently, legislation was passed in the capital city of Buoy 37, which will allow heritage Americans to swim there by the millions in order to satisfy diversity quotas. Opposition to the bill, mainly coming from residents of Wave Break 79, Black Sea's largest city, was defeated.
 

La Águila Negra

Ostrich
Other Christian
Somewhat.


There is also some very bad blood between some certain "tribal" Democrat/Neocon elites, and Putin that is Personal..

Putin's not the "puppet". The reason why they hate him is because forced out [((Berezovsky))] who was supposed to be the puppet(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Berezovsky_(businessman)) and ran him out of the country. That person "hung themselves" in 2013.

According to some (((ancestral))) hatred for Russia goes back to 965 Sarkel.

Judging by all the (((German-sounding))) Blue checkmarks I see going absolutely mental on Twitter there might very well be truth to this.

Yeltsin era neo-liberal shock and awe killed 8 million Russians and would have ended in the destruction of the Russian state and possibly the Russian people (like what we are seeing now elsewhere in Europe)

Of course they hate him for putting a stop to that.
 
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Pointy Elbows

Kingfisher
Orthodox
OSINT sources I've been following have been less productive in the last 24 hours. Several were shut down by twitter yesterday PM (claiming a Russian crypto OP of sorts).

The result is I've lost some awareness of force alignment. Some sources have hinted that the Belgorod forces may be turning west, towards Kiev...

Idea being: the "Bofa Republics" have been flipped without much of a fight (I read the UA Army is even abandoning some checkpoints), Russia has a non-depleted force at Belgorod (east of Kiev) and non-depleted force NW of Kiev in Belarus. Maybe the two will meet south of Kiev?

Going Strong hinted that Zelensky might be out of office very soon. Is this what you are thinking, Going Strong?
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
LOL! Someone picked australia for the location of ukraine? Which US university was this poll conducted at?
I'd be pretty concerned as an American if I thought Ukraine was in Tennessee and was about to be imminently invaded by Russians. I wonder if any of the mainstream news networks have shown a world map highlighting Ukraine. Probably not as then people would realize part of the absurdity of it all.
 

Pointy Elbows

Kingfisher
Orthodox
According to some (((ancestral))) hatred for Russia goes back to 965 Sarkel.

Judging by all the (((German-sounding))) Blue checkmarks I see going absolutely mental on Twitter there might very well be truth to this.

Yeltsin era neo-liberal shock and awe killed 8 million Russians and would have ended in the destruction of the Russian state and possibly the Russian people (like what we are seeing now elsewhere in Europe)

Of course they hate him for putting a stop to that.
Imagine the slav-pillage that could have been induced by a Berezovsky/Zelensky leader-set, had Berezovsky been able to consolidate 20+ years of leadership instead of Putin.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
If this is all Great Reset then why are the three worst (in terms of Covid1984 tyranny) and leading countries in the EU - France, Germany, Italy - moving heaven and earth to avoid conflict, keep the gas flowing and find a diplomatic way out? As opposed to the US/UK?

Why did Germany go ahead with creating energy dependence in the first place?

Also, how does the economic decoupling of Russia - which will lead to economic hardship first but to true independence later, serve globalism?

People have gotten pretty emotionally invested in their adopted (read: disseminated) new Truths.

Not only is the 'Global Conspiracy Theory' entirely bunk, but even the previously considered agency-less 'WEF puppets' are now barking at each other . 2022 will bring much more of this after György S. had his contemporary 1933 Judea declares War on Germany speech not too long ago.

This is an old school state-based Big Zbig tier Grand Chessboard play, and ze Great Reset plays second fiddle if any.
I think the Great Reset is part of the Grand Chessboard conflict, or the Great Game as they used to call it. The US and EU see the Great Game as a means of being able to implement the Great Reset. Likewise, they see the Great Reset as a way to strengthen their position in the Great Game. If they win the Great Game against Russia and China, they'll impose the Great Reset in those places as well.
 

Mountaineer

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
The Black Sea is a country consisting 100% of immigrants from Central Africa. Recently, legislation was passed in the capital city of Buoy 37, which will allow heritage Americans to swim there by the millions in order to satisfy diversity quotas. Opposition to the bill, mainly coming from residents of Wave Break 79, Black Sea's largest city, was defeated.

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Several thought it was in the US!
Or in Brazil. Somehow I fail to see the similarities there. XD
 

La Águila Negra

Ostrich
Other Christian
I think the Great Reset is part of the Grand Chessboard conflict, or the Great Game as they used to call it. The US and EU see the Great Game as a means of being able to implement the Great Reset. Likewise, they see the Great Reset as a way to strengthen their position in the Great Game. If they win the Great Game against Russia and China, they'll impose the Great Reset in those places as well.
I think you are 100 percent on the ball here.

This is basically what people like Denis Rancourt and Kees van der Pijl have been saying for 2 years now.

Unfortunately this leaves people like the crowd attending RVF between a rock and a hard place, as Russia+China don't have the classical liberal background and have always been collectivist, authoritarian, hierarchical states - and the West is now moving in lighting speed in that same direction too. Russian is at least nominally Christian but doesn't have qualms either with installing QR slave systems

If these two weaken each other maybe something good could come out of it.
 
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Going strong

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
LOL! Someone picked australia for the location of ukraine?

It was Novak Djokovic, he wants Putin to send tanks to Australia.

Meanwhile, I'm hearing that, apparently, Russian tanks are on the move in Crimea, in all likelihood heading for the Donbass... If I were a Ukrainian minister, I'd take the last helicopter out of Saigon right now.

I mean, Saigon is in Ukraine or Australia? Well, it's definitely in Kyiv, just wait a couple of days.

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Kyiv Presidential Palace, next Sunday.
 
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