Under demonic attack

BellatorChristi

Pigeon
Orthodox Inquirer
I’m in the process of becoming an Orthodox Christian But I’ve been having a lot of thoughts blaspheming Christ. Every time I attend the service on zoom I feel really uncomfortable when hering the prayers and chant. What should I do?
Don´t let demons scare you! Read Romans 8:31 as many times you need: " If God is for us, who can be against us?"
 

SeaEagle

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
I wish they didn’t teach evolution in schools. I think that’s been one of the major tools the devil uses to drive people away from Christianity. That and the rampart pornography on the Internet.
I've been exploring young Earth explanations lately. The theory of evolution was (is) certainly a roadblock in my life.
 

Lawrence87

Pelican
Orthodox
You can find God with psychedelics
I know this user is banned but I think it's worth saying something on this topic for the inquirers who are coming from a similar worldview.

It is flat out absurd to posit that God would grant an audience to just about anyone simply because they ingested the right substance. It's like saying turning up drunk on the White House lawn in your underpants is going to get you an audience with the president.

There are plenty of entities out there who would like you to worship them as a god and would gladly deceive you into believing as such. These are undoubtedly what people encounter when they think they got high and met God.

Saints labour in asceticism for their whole earthly lives and even then they aren't always blessed with divine visitation. The idea that you can shortcut this by eating some mushrooms is ridiculous.
 

Twigg

Sparrow
Orthodox
My anxiety is slowly reducing as my faith increases. I still have weird ocd fears though but they’ve decreased in intensity I hope one day they will go away for good when I put my complete trust in Christ. Lately, though I’ve been having really bad nightmares is there some sort of spiritual connection to this I remember Roosh saying he had really bad nightmares when he was living in the former crackhouse.
 

Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
My anxiety is slowly reducing as my faith increases. I still have weird ocd fears though but they’ve decreased in intensity I hope one day they will go away for good when I put my complete trust in Christ. Lately, though I’ve been having really bad nightmares is there some sort of spiritual connection to this I remember Roosh saying he had really bad nightmares when he was living in the former crackhouse.

I'm only catechumen but I'll share what I know so far.

My anxiety is slowly reducing as my faith increases. I still have weird ocd fears though but they’ve decreased in intensity I hope one day they will go away for good when I put my complete trust in Christ.

It's always good to struggle against something, and our weaknesses can help us to become stronger. If God took away these fears, what would we be fighting against instead? I often pose this towards myself. There's a reason we're battling against something in this particular moment, so it's trying to trust in God's will to guide us, rather than hope that all hardship be removed from us.

Lately, though I’ve been having really bad nightmares is there some sort of spiritual connection to this I remember Roosh saying he had really bad nightmares when he was living in the former crackhouse.

Nightmares can have demonic origins but not always. I think there's a tendency to blame everything on demons, when in some cases it can be more natural. That being said, it is certainly true that demons can attack you during the night and plague your dreams, and it's something I've heard echoed elsewhere that demons are at the height of their influence around the hours of 3-4am. This is usually when the most paranormal activity tends to occur on average, so we would understand that to be demons of course.

Locations can inherit a curse or be tainted due to previous sinful activity, e.g. a previous murder on the same grounds. There is some sort of spiritual "law" that demons can inhabit a place if grave evil has been committed there, which for me explains the whole notion of "haunted" houses. Intuitively it makes sense, so I think for the Orthodox in particular, or those who are spiritually more sensitive, this has deeper implications in the spiritual warfare.

I recently attended a house blessing for one of my friends at the parish, and it was a new experience for me to see the priest blessing the house with holy water and reading prayers to banish the presence of any latent demons from previous occupants. It might be something to consider if this particular location is causing you concern or you feel that it is a factor in your nightmares.

Either way, I'd speak to your priest about the situation and ask him for advice on how to gain protection from attacks. Making the sign of the Cross on all four sides of the bed before you sleep might be a suggestion, or going to bed with a Cross by your side, praying more to your Guardian Angel etc. there are many ways to go about it.

But again, I'm still only a baby in the faith, just things I've read and come across in my journey this past year, hope this helps you in some way.
 

jonathanjones02

Pigeon
Catholic
Because we are tempted by powers of the air, it may be helpful to daily pray, out loud, 9 prayers in honor of the Trinity:

- 3 Lord’s Prayer
- 3 Hail Mary
- 3 Jesus Prayer
 

MeaningfulMan

Kingfisher
Catholic
I know this user is banned but I think it's worth saying something on this topic for the inquirers who are coming from a similar worldview.

It is flat out absurd to posit that God would grant an audience to just about anyone simply because they ingested the right substance. It's like saying turning up drunk on the White House lawn in your underpants is going to get you an audience with the president.

There are plenty of entities out there who would like you to worship them as a god and would gladly deceive you into believing as such. These are undoubtedly what people encounter when they think they got high and met God.

Saints labour in asceticism for their whole earthly lives and even then they aren't always blessed with divine visitation. The idea that you can shortcut this by eating some mushrooms is ridiculous.
Very well said!

I’m curious for your thoughts on another topic. I’ve been hearing lately that “cursing is not that bad because even some saints were known to have bad mouths”. Yes, the last time I heard this… it came from a Protestant. Have you heard this?? Thoughts?
 

Lawrence87

Pelican
Orthodox
Very well said!

I’m curious for your thoughts on another topic. I’ve been hearing lately that “cursing is not that bad because even some saints were known to have bad mouths”. Yes, the last time I heard this… it came from a Protestant. Have you heard this?? Thoughts?

I've never heard of any Saints being said to have been foul mouthed.

This may be in regard to the recent movie about Padre Pio, which contains a scene where he is depicted as swearing at someone. I believe this is controversial even among Catholics as to whether it depicts him accurately, but that is irrelevant because Pio is not an Orthodox Saint and was most likely a charlatan.

Don't excuse yourself for cursing. It happens, a lot of us come from a background where we made a habit of it, but we should try not to do it. When you see a child cursing it immediately does not seem right and we are shocked by it, this is because it is not a normal or innocent behaviour, thus we should try not to do it ourselves, if for no other reason than to make sure we don't accidentally pass it on to children.
 

Juan777

Sparrow
Protestant
I’m in the process of becoming an Orthodox Christian But I’ve been having a lot of thoughts blaspheming Christ. Every time I attend the service on zoom I feel really uncomfortable when hering the prayers and chant. What should I do?

I know what you mean. I get these thoughts too, especially when I feel frustrated or not in a great place mentally. I usually say out loud "I do not agree with these thoughts, to those who are recording my thoughts in any spiritual book for reference on any future judgment day, please put that on an underline", or something along these lines. Sometimes I might say "I please the blood of Jesus over my mind". That usually should scare "them" away. I know they can't stand to hear that phrase.

But, it's a wild wild west as far as thought life. I call these 2nd degree spiritual attacks. This includes blasphemy, cursing, rage, etc... In my order of attacks, the 1st degree are lustful attacks, 3degree are more strange dreams, panic attacks initiated by demons, and 4th degree attacks is when there is a traffic stop by police or grave spiritual attack feeling like something is trying to kill you.

This is a journal I made up back in 2015 called "A journal dedicated to spiritual attacks", where every spiritual attack should be documented and analyzed. My note keeping in this matter is not perfect as sometimes I get lazy, or in the back of my mind, it could also be a self-fulliling prophecy if you are expecting attacks to occur so you can document them. Nevertheless I've found it helpful as a whole.

One of the major issues at home is there is a ghost that moves objects horizonatlly. In fact, just yesterday I saw something move in the sink and I said out loud "I caught you you silly ghost!", and a second later, a Bible moved and feel down in another room literally a minute after I said that. I will never say that again if an object moves in my house again ! It's better to just ignore them. I think they are lonely and want attention and are trying to play around with me sometimes.
 

SensibleUlan

 
Banned
Trad Catholic
I've never heard of any Saints being said to have been foul mouthed.

This may be in regard to the recent movie about Padre Pio, which contains a scene where he is depicted as swearing at someone. I believe this is controversial even among Catholics as to whether it depicts him accurately, but that is irrelevant because Pio is not an Orthodox Saint and was most likely a charlatan.

Don't excuse yourself for cursing. It happens, a lot of us come from a background where we made a habit of it, but we should try not to do it. When you see a child cursing it immediately does not seem right and we are shocked by it, this is because it is not a normal or innocent behaviour, thus we should try not to do it ourselves, if for no other reason than to make sure we don't accidentally pass it on to children.
Buying carbolic acid is proof?! Are you even aware that stuff was commonly used for cleaning and sterilizing back in those days?
Utter nonsense article and by a rag of a newspaper too.
 

Juan777

Sparrow
Protestant
I know what you mean. I get these thoughts too, especially when I feel frustrated or not in a great place mentally. I usually say out loud "I do not agree with these thoughts, to those who are recording my thoughts in any spiritual book for reference on any future judgment day, please put that on an underline", or something along these lines. Sometimes I might say "I please the blood of Jesus over my mind". That usually should scare "them" away. I know they can't stand to hear that phrase.

But, it's a wild wild west as far as thought life. I call these 2nd degree spiritual attacks. This includes blasphemy, cursing, rage, etc... In my order of attacks, the 1st degree are lustful attacks, 3degree are more strange dreams, panic attacks initiated by demons, and 4th degree attacks is when there is a traffic stop by police or grave spiritual attack feeling like something is trying to kill you.

This is a journal I made up back in 2015 called "A journal dedicated to spiritual attacks", where every spiritual attack should be documented and analyzed. My note keeping in this matter is not perfect as sometimes I get lazy, or in the back of my mind, it could also be a self-fulliling prophecy if you are expecting attacks to occur so you can document them. Nevertheless I've found it helpful as a whole.

One of the major issues at home is there is a ghost that moves objects horizonatlly. In fact, just yesterday I saw something move in the sink and I said out loud "I caught you you silly ghost!", and a second later, a Bible moved and feel down in another room literally a minute after I said that. I will never say that again if an object moves in my house again ! It's better to just ignore them. I think they are lonely and want attention and are trying to play around with me sometimes.

Why are people shocked by this post? I wasn't like this before 2015. It was only after a severe demonic attack I experienced after visiting a prostitute (no sex happened but still went to far) back in Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00pm, her name was Bianca and she came from Brazil, I failed to ask her which town she grew up in or get more info about Brazil (ie 2 months before I met her there). I had anxiety attacks, trouble sleeping, unwanted replays in my mind of the encounter with her, except the flashbacks felt more demonic or like I bowed to a devil by dealing with her, etc.... It was a terrible experience that month of December, 2014. Felt like some presence was harassing / tormenting me. I was feeling like puking, growling, is was just terrible. A nice pastor had tried to help me too during that time.

The journal for cataloguing spiritual attacks was inspired by that experience and it was made after the "demons" had left the following month and I was back to normal.

Here is a video from the exorcist Bob Larson to put things into perspective:



This video was also released in 2015.
 

Gaboyski

 
Banned
Orthodox
It is flat out absurd to posit that God would grant an audience to just about anyone simply because they ingested the right substance. It's like saying turning up drunk on the White House lawn in your underpants is going to get you an audience with the president.

There are plenty of entities out there who would like you to worship them as a god and would gladly deceive you into believing as such. These are undoubtedly what people encounter when they think they got high and met God.

Saints labour in asceticism for their whole earthly lives and even then they aren't always blessed with divine visitation. The idea that you can shortcut this by eating some mushrooms is ridiculous.
There's also the element of pride or self-importance as regards the consumption of psychedelics. It gives one a false validation that God grants them special access to Him that even the Saints of the church were deprived of. I'm not surprised if drug rituals are connected with Gnosticism.

Nightmares can have demonic origins but not always. I think there's a tendency to blame everything on demons, when in some cases it can be more natural. That being said, it is certainly true that demons can attack you during the night and plague your dreams, and it's something I've heard echoed elsewhere that demons are at the height of their influence around the hours of 3-4am. This is usually when the most paranormal activity tends to occur on average, so we would understand that to be demons of course.
That might explain the intrusive thoughts or logismoi I've been struggling with lately, as I have to stay up late at night because of engineering classes.
 

Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
That might explain the intrusive thoughts or logismoi I've been struggling with lately, as I have to stay up late at night because of engineering classes

Since that post, I've also heard that during the hours of 3-4am it just happens to be the best time to pray, because it's as if the "heavens are open" as someone put it. In either case, its validates the expectation of heightened spiritual activity in those early morning hours. I suppose it just depends on how one wishes to utlise that sensitive time window. If it is spent pursuing worldly or secular aims, perhaps the demonic will frequently creep in, whereas if it is spent in prayer and worship with God then we may be rewarded with more lofty prayers and exalted spiritual states.

I've also heard there is a fairly wide spread custom to wake up in the middle of the night, pray for an hour or so, then rest again until the morning. We would call this a "bi-phasic" sleeping pattern, and materialist scientists would likely never probe why people do this, without the knowledge of a spiritual realm that is more receptive during those darker hours in the night. I've considered practicing this intentionally, if I'm not waking up that early for work regardless, which happens occasionally.
 

Gaboyski

 
Banned
Orthodox
Since that post, I've also heard that during the hours of 3-4am it just happens to be the best time to pray, because it's as if the "heavens are open" as someone put it. In either case, its validates the expectation of heightened spiritual activity in those early morning hours. I suppose it just depends on how one wishes to utlise that sensitive time window. If it is spent pursuing worldly or secular aims, perhaps the demonic will frequently creep in, whereas if it is spent in prayer and worship with God then we may be rewarded with more lofty prayers and exalted spiritual states.
I'm gonna do this if ever I can't find myself falling asleep in the wee hours of the morning. Thank you brother
 

paternos

Pelican
Catholic
This is a topic I couldn't have imagined engaging in years ago. But also for me demons have become a reality. They were but I didn't see them as demons, but as unwanted thoughts that can be numbed by sex, going out or work.

I notice in myself that I get attacked when I sin. Drinking alcohol, lying, consuming pornography, overeating, having hubris, gossiping. Then shame and guilt enter me.

Learning about sin is therefore one of the greatest liberations of faith for me.

Before, I knew I felt bad after certain behaviors, not always, but often. When I learned it's a sin against God, it liberated me. It was me because everything makes sense now.

When I sin, it sets the door wide open for the devil. "Come in. You are my master now."

So when I read this thread, the desire to blaspheme God, frustration, and feelings of insufficiency make sense.

We are like Eve, you can do all you want but eat that apple. For us it is, you can do all you want but sin.

What I do now is first think, "Where was I wrong? What sins did I commit today? Where did I leave the door open? Which apple shouldn't have I picked up."

I like to lie to myself that I did everything right. No faults. Others are at fault. But when I humble I can see my sins.

And then make a heartfelt confession on my knees.

Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned. And I can repent.

If I humble myself before God I can feel His love. His calm. His faith in me. Which I don't deserve. But still get.
 
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