Understanding the Arabs - The Closed Circle

[Alexandrian]

What are they fighting over? What valuables are in Israel? Sand dunes?

Palestinians fight for the land because of their historical and genetic ties to the land.

Israelis fight for the land because their holy book says it's theirs.

 

[CamelToe]

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Palestinians fight for the land because of their historical and genetic ties to the land.

Israelis fight for the land because their holy book says it's theirs.
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This is the simplest way of breaking down the Palestinian/Israeli conflict

 

[Prince of Persia]

Arabs are tribal and closed-off. Always have been, always will be. There really isn't much else you need to know about the Arab world other than that, IMO. Furthermore, both Israel and the Arab countries need to figure their shit out because each party is at wrong.

The Muslims are never going to admit to being even partly wrong, other than as tactic to be in better position to make more demands.

The best thing that could be done for peace would be expelling all Muslims form Israel.

For peace between the West and Islam, send all Muslims back to Muslim countries, remove the remaining Christians, don't let Islam expand outwards, and all that aggression gets turned inward upon themselves.

And all Jews get sent back to Israel. Give the Jews more Muslim land even, just as long as they're removed, especially the ones on the Federal Reserve, Supreme Court, etc.

Reply to my other comment.

Expelling Muslims?

Jewish is an ethnicity and religion. Muslim is only a religion. Zionism, therefore, exists because Jews have an ETHNIC claim to their land, as Germans have an ethnic claim to Germany, Poles have an ethnic claim to Poland, etc. Muslims do not have any claims to any land because Muslim is not an ethnicity.

The militant form of Islam that is being used by Hezbollah, ISIS, etc. is (pun intended) radically different than the form of Islam that Joe 6 Pack practices. As Louis XIV once said, "One King, One Law, One Faith"; aka Islam is highly politicized and just used to round people up under a common cause. That being said, Islam definitely needs bottom-up reform a la the Protestant Reformation to expel the terrorists.

The genetics of the 'Children of Israel (Quranic: Bani Israil)' is present among the modern populations of Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria (Levantine Arabs). The Ashkenazim (zionist) Jews that came from Europe are judaised white Europeans. Probably of Slavic and Germanic ancestry. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Mizrahi jews have some Hebrew Israelite ancestry.

As an Egyptian I claim Egypt as my ancestral land. The Byzantine dude above said that Egyptians need to be expelled to Saudi Arabia just because we are muslim.

The only thing that Islam needs is the eradication of wahhabism, the source of islamic terrorism. The oil-barons from Najd pump millions in the promotion of their sick desert sect. ISIS is based exclusively wahhabi/kharijite. What is worth mentioning is that the British actively supported the wahhabi Saud dynasty from Najd to take over the moderate Hijaz during WW1.

Hezbollah has a different story. They don't care about converting people or slaying infidels. Many Lebanese Christians and Sunni's support Hezbollah. They are just in a political blood feud with Israel.

Amen to that. The Saudis are the REAL enemies and the global sponsor of radical Islam. America needs to wake the fuck up and realize that before we have another Paris attack on our hands. If it were up to me, the royal family would be thrown to the sharks ASAP.

Hezbollah is mostly peaceful, that is true. But they are still attempting to create a Muslim dynasty via Shia Iran and further enclose the distance between church and state, so they are inherently malicious.

 

[YossariansRight]

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[All or Nothing]

Being an Israeli, I know I may not change your mind, but this is one-sided outlook - and from what I read, you don't strike me as such a person.
Israel "hyper-aggressive, neurotic, deeply dishonest" reputation is partially propaganda, and partially based on years of wars. This does not justify everything, but it is a classical "It's their fault" argument, or "It's my parents fault that I'm BETA/NO-GOOD".
You cannot blame everything on Israel and the West. The arab countries have most of "the blame" on them, as they can choose otherwise, but have failed to most of the time.

If most of the fault is on the Arab countries, what is your defense for neoconservatism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#Views_on_economics

Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administrations of George W. Bush and George H W Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[1] Prominent neoconservatives in the Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer. Senior officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, while not identifying themselves as neoconservatives, listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel, the promotion of democracy in the Middle East, and the buildup of American military forces to achieve these goals. The neocons have influence in the Obama White House, and neoconservatism remains a staple in both parties' arsenal.

Neoconservatives are primarily a Jewish pro-Israel group who influenced both Bush presidencies by advocating an interventionist foreign policy.

The exact foreign policy that took the US into Iraq, destabilized the region, and ultimately led to the formation of ISIS and the current refugee crisis.

 

[Pride male]

Here in South Africa. Arabs do very well for themselves. They came as slaves but are now a wealthy business minded people.

 

[Bill]

The Muslims are never going to admit to being even partly wrong, other than as tactic to be in better position to make more demands.

The best thing that could be done for peace would be expelling all Muslims form Israel.

For peace between the West and Islam, send all Muslims back to Muslim countries, remove the remaining Christians, don't let Islam expand outwards, and all that aggression gets turned inward upon themselves.

And all Jews get sent back to Israel. Give the Jews more Muslim land even, just as long as they're removed, especially the ones on the Federal Reserve, Supreme Court, etc.

Reply to my other comment.

Expelling Muslims?

Jewish is an ethnicity and religion. Muslim is only a religion. Zionism, therefore, exists because Jews have an ETHNIC claim to their land, as Germans have an ethnic claim to Germany, Poles have an ethnic claim to Poland, etc. Muslims do not have any claims to any land because Muslim is not an ethnicity.

The militant form of Islam that is being used by Hezbollah, ISIS, etc. is (pun intended) radically different than the form of Islam that Joe 6 Pack practices. As Louis XIV once said, "One King, One Law, One Faith"; aka Islam is highly politicized and just used to round people up under a common cause. That being said, Islam definitely needs bottom-up reform a la the Protestant Reformation to expel the terrorists.

The genetics of the 'Children of Israel (Quranic: Bani Israil)' is present among the modern populations of Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria (Levantine Arabs). The Ashkenazim (zionist) Jews that came from Europe are judaised white Europeans. Probably of Slavic and Germanic ancestry. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Mizrahi jews have some Hebrew Israelite ancestry.

As an Egyptian I claim Egypt as my ancestral land. The Byzantine dude above said that Egyptians need to be expelled to Saudi Arabia just because we are muslim.

The only thing that Islam needs is the eradication of wahhabism, the source of islamic terrorism. The oil-barons from Najd pump millions in the promotion of their sick desert sect. ISIS is based exclusively wahhabi/kharijite. What is worth mentioning is that the British actively supported the wahhabi Saud dynasty from Najd to take over the moderate Hijaz during WW1.

Hezbollah has a different story. They don't care about converting people or slaying infidels. Many Lebanese Christians and Sunni's support Hezbollah. They are just in a political blood feud with Israel.

Amen to that. The Saudis are the REAL enemies and the global sponsor of radical Islam. America needs to wake the fuck up and realize that before we have another Paris attack on our hands. If it were up to me, the royal family would be thrown to the sharks ASAP.

Hezbollah is mostly peaceful, that is true. But they are still attempting to create a Muslim dynasty via Shia Iran and further enclose the distance between church and state, so they are inherently malicious.

There is a longform article about the fundamentalist change in Saudi politics. In started with some 1k fundamentalist fighters took Kaba in Mekka in 1979. As it´s forbidden to fight in Kaba the Royal family needed a Fatwa. They got it but they got blackmailed by the clergy to lead a fundamentalist politic.

 

[The Beast1]

Being an Israeli, I know I may not change your mind, but this is one-sided outlook - and from what I read, you don't strike me as such a person.
Israel "hyper-aggressive, neurotic, deeply dishonest" reputation is partially propaganda, and partially based on years of wars. This does not justify everything, but it is a classical "It's their fault" argument, or "It's my parents fault that I'm BETA/NO-GOOD".
You cannot blame everything on Israel and the West. The arab countries have most of "the blame" on them, as they can choose otherwise, but have failed to most of the time.

If most of the fault is on the Arab countries, what is your defense for neoconservatism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#Views_on_economics

Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administrations of George W. Bush and George H W Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[1] Prominent neoconservatives in the Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer. Senior officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, while not identifying themselves as neoconservatives, listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel, the promotion of democracy in the Middle East, and the buildup of American military forces to achieve these goals. The neocons have influence in the Obama White House, and neoconservatism remains a staple in both parties' arsenal.

Neoconservatives are primarily a Jewish pro-Israel group who influenced both Bush presidencies by advocating an interventionist foreign policy.

The exact foreign policy that took the US into Iraq, destabilized the region, and ultimately led to the formation of ISIS and the current refugee crisis.

I'll go out on a limb here and say something that has been on my mind in relation to this post.

I've met some really solid Israeli guys and gals as well as some Jewish birthright immigrants who moved to Israel from countries in the west. I only go by my anecdotes because being on the ground beats any "official reports" by a long shot.

However, and I say this as politely as possible, there are some incredibly degenerate people masquerading as Jewish. In fact, it looks like most of these degenerates don't even live in Israel! They live in New York, Los Angeles, and London.

The folks on the ground in Israel really just want to be left alone and do business, but it seems that these degenerates in America and Western Europe are doing their best to not only destabilize the middle east but they also want to surround this tiny nation state with incredibly hostile elements.

If I ever had George Soros tied to a chair, i'd ask him what his reasoning is for replacing the stock of Europe with jewish hating muslims. What exactly does he stand to gain from eliminating the Christian stock of those countries if he is so "pro Israel"? If anything his actions are promoting the opposite of what he really wants. Yet he goes and pulls funding for Femin when they open their Israel chapter. :tard:

There are countless examples of this as well and it doesn't help that Jews outside of Israel try and act as this homogenous group and deflect all criticisms against them (even if they're true).

If Israel really wanted to save itself from a potential glassing by Arab states they should begin to identify and shame these elements outside of their country that are actively working against their best interests. Neocons in particular.

From what TheMaleBrain mentioned as well, it seems the political factions in Israel's government are also pretty fragmented as well. Is it safe to say that internally Israel is really a ship with a group of people arguing what to do next at the helm?

Maybe these degenerate elements have control of the helm just barely but if push came to shove they'd be outted in a heart beat if something better came out?

I don't know enough to really make an informed judgement, but right now those in power in America and Western Europe are going to make life for the everyday Israeli incredibly difficult and dangerous.

Edit: Here's another example of degenerates masquarading as jews. I'm trying to find the post the mentioned this guy but i can't find it:

If you look closely on the lower left picture you can see a guy setting to the left of the muslim women. A post here on the forum outted him as a Jewish SJW.

Explain to me, why would he want muslim immigrants running amuck in America and Europe? What exactly does he or Israel gain with a large muslim voting block?

 

[47R]

This is a good book if you want to understand the arabs and others in middle east:
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. (Mind you it was first published in 1903)

 

[pitt]

Can somebody get me a pdf file? I usually pay for my books and I wanted to buy it on kindle but $18 is too steep for me.