United Airlines PR fiasco - police forcibly remove man from overbooked flight

[kamoz]

If you were the pilot, how would you have handled it?

Make sure the cockpit door is closed and locked. Ask the flight attendant what they want to do, and relay that to ops. Done. Best job in the world.

I'm sick and tired peoples stupid problems justifying them having god damn dogs everywhere. How stupid that someone has to be put out because some other jackass has to have a dog that licks their hand if they get a little nervous.

Amen.

 

[Suits]

This burns my britches...

The player's lifestyle is not without the semi-occasional metaphoric bump in the road.

You should get that checked out and maybe get a prescription for some antibiotics.

 

[Kona]

It should have gone this way.

Aloha!

 

[Conscious Pirate]

Did y'all catch this part? -

“I’m a professor, what are you doing?” the distraught woman cries as an officer wraps his arms around her and forces her down the aisle of the jet in Baltimore on Tuesday.

I agree that service animals are getting out of hand and when I started watching the video I wanted to side with her, but as soon as she threw out her having this particular occupation I immediately ceased to feel any pain for her and found myself happy that she was getting expelled by the officers.

I just never trust anyone who says they are a professor as if it's something superior/special. It might sound petty, but I'm sure I'm not the only one here who feels that way.

Not at all. I suggest you do a forum search for the posting history of one Old SEA Dog. A 71 yr old "professor" on his 6th marriage who went out in spectacular fashion recently. You'll be tickled.

 

[Razor Beast]

Woman was being a cunt. She deserved to get kicked off of the plane. While 95% of service animals are for BS like "anxiety", if this bitch's allergies were that life threatening she should either

1. Take a bloody benedryl
2. Go to an allergist so she can get acclimated to her allergic triggers.

I'm getting sick and tired of "allergies" to peanuts and pets being a reason to shove your BS problems in my face. If your allergies are that bad and life threatening go to a doctor to get it fixed. It's not that hard.

I am on the opposite side of this one.

I'm sick and tired peoples stupid problems justifying them having god damn dogs everywhere. How stupid that someone has to be put out because some other jackass has to have a dog that licks their hand if they get a little nervous.

This service animal bullshit is out of control and needs to be stopped.

Aloha!

Exactly. Not a true service dog most likely. More likely an "emotional support animal", which is essentially an untrained pet that someone paid a few hundred bucks to register so they can take them on board so they don't have to go in the cargo bay.

The abuse of the emotional support animal policy needs to end.

 

[Razor Beast]

Y'all have your panties in a bunch of service animals.

First, we don't know what kind of service animal it was - maybe the person was blind, maybe wasn't.

Second, we have to think that the service animal person had documentation. The article doesn't state this specifically but one would imagine that if the airline made a fuss about the allergy person not having documentation they would have verified the service animal had documentation. Perhaps this maybe be a gross assumption, but I know if it were me complaining about allergies I would damn sure make the airline verify the service animal had proper documentation.

And in the world of legal liability where everyone is suing everyone else, documentation is the single most important thing in decision-making.

Ranting about the legitimacy of service animals is like ranting about the legitimacy of handicap parking. Many people shouldn't need those entitlements, but regardless they're a fact of life.

It's not an actual service animal. Are you not aware of how many people are abusing the "emotional support animal" policy these days? An actual service animal (for a blind person, for instance) will not disrupt or acknowledge people. An untrained dog masquerading as an emotional support animal DOES disrupt people. Learn the difference. The emotional support animal thing is basically a running joke for anyone who works in the aviation industry. Don't believe me? Chat them up about it.

 

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

This "emotional support animal" is total bullshit. If you're so fragile that you'll be reduced to hysterical outbursts over not having someone console you for a few hours, you have no business travelling anyway.

 

[spokepoker]

Was it an emotional support animal or a real service animal?

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Another drag-off-the-flight incident, this time on Southwest:

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/09/27/allergy-woman-dragged-off-flight

This chick claimed she's deathly allergic to dogs (but had no documentation to back it up). During the video, she repeatedly shouted 'don't touch me', hoping to cast the officers removing her as gropers. She's following the playbook, looking for a payout. Predictably, the airline has publicly apologized to her.

According to a statement issued by Southwest, We are disheartened by the way this situation unfolded and the Customer's removal by local law enforcement officers. We publicly offer our apologies to this Customer for her experience and we will be contacting her directly to address her concerns.

We'll be seeing more of these.

If you were the pilot, how would you have handled it?

You have a person with a servicedog on the flight. You have another person who claims to have a dog allergy but no medical record as proof.

You can't takeoff as-is because what happens if the person with the allergy has a life-threatening flareup. Either the person with the allergy or the person with the servicedog have to be removed.

If the person with the allergy cannot provide medical proof it's an easy decision. There's really no excuse to not have documentation like this when everyone has a cellphone.

Apparently according to the rest of the story the pilots and crew had talked to her for a long time before security was called and she still resisted. Source: http://nypost.com/2017/09/27/woman-dragged-off-southwest-flight-for-complaining-about-dog-allergy/

It's not an easy decision to make, but it was the right decision.

The fact of the matter is as a passenger or just in general if you have any unusual requests or circumstances you better have the documentation to prove it.

Amen.

Woman was being a cunt. She deserved to get kicked off of the plane. While 95% of service animals are for BS like "anxiety", if this bitch's allergies were that life threatening she should either

1. Take a bloody benedryl
2. Go to an allergist so she can get acclimated to her allergic triggers.

I'm getting sick and tired of "allergies" to peanuts and pets being a reason to shove your BS problems in my face. If your allergies are that bad and life threatening go to a doctor to get it fixed. It's not that hard.

Maybe they attempted to put the supposed allergy woman far away from the dog. Being in the same plane hardly would have triggered her allergy - otherwise that woman would not be able to survive even going outside.

Most people with supposed dog allergies have simple phobias. Or it was an attempt of a big payoff.

And if it is a phobia, then what is next?

I am deathly afraid of tall men, of fat men, of Trump supporters?

 

[Sherman]

These weren't legitimate trained service dogs for the blind. This is what snowflake culture leads too. I'm all for people with allergies fighting back. Normal people have to start fighting a system which gives special privileges easily gamed by degenerates.


"One of the dogs was an emotional support animal and the other was a pet."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnas...-dog-allergy?utm_term=.hu1xBnMagy#.jnRoB6zbrL

 

[AneroidOcean]

This burns my britches...

So the person with allergies needs to provide documentation. They need to go to a doctor and pay for the visit and all kinds of crap.

And you can hop on the internet and make a stray ptibull a service dog for $2.99.

These arrogant bastards with their stupid dogs just drive me nuts. Someone says i "I'm allergic" the dog person says "tough luck, this thing barks when I get a rash.."

Stupid stuff.

Aloha!

I agree absolutely that the "service animal" especially when it comes to "emotional support animals" level of fraud has gotten out of control. I venture to guess that over half of service animals on airplanes are outright frauds. This is one of those areas where a LEGITIMATE need for handicapped/disabled people to have an assistant animal led to over the top laws that require next to zero proof (which is bullshit).

However, this lady likely didn't have that strong of an allergy and she didn't have any proof of it and was acting ridiculous by all measures to many staff.

Both are pretty fucking wrong. No individual person's entitled fucking attitude should hold up a plane, whether it's in the form of fake service animals/pets or in the form of a lady being a bitch and not being willing to provide documentation. Hell, if I had that strong of an allergy you better damn well I would've provided it to the airline right after I booked my flight. How stupid is this lady?

 

[Sherman]

Here is a story of a child who was kicked off the airline. The child didn't fight like the lady. What did the child do wrong? According to this article it is the human that has to wait for another flight and not the cheater and his mutt.

"A 7-year-old boy and his parents were asked to leave their Allegiant Air flight from Bellingham, Wash., to Phoenix last week after the boy developed an allergic reaction to a dog, a service animal, on the plane, according to several news reports. The flight was delayed about 90 minutes and some passengers were said to have applauded when the child was leaving."


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/...ight-what-travelers-need-to-know.html?mcubz=1

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

This Southwest incident with the dogs gets another dimension:

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/09/...is-muslim-former-professor-of-islamic-studies



She is tadaaa - a Muslim professor who clearly takes her religion seriously - dogs are dirty animals and should all be killed according to Islam:

Woman who demanded dogs be removed from airplane is Muslim former professor of Islamic Studies

Here some good quotes on what created her "allergies":

“Once Gabriel promised the Prophet (that he would visit him, but Gabriel did not come) and later on he said, ‘We, angels, do not enter a house which contains a picture or a dog.’” — Sahih Bukhari 4.54.50

“Abdullah (b. Umar) (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) ordered the killing of dogs and we would send (men) in Medina and its corners and we did not spare any dog that we did not kill, so much so that we killed the dog that accompanied the wet she-camel belonging to the people of the desert.” — Sahih Muslim 3811

“Ibn Mughaffal reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ordered killing of the dogs, and then said: What about them, i. e. about other dogs? and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time.” — Sahih Muslim 551

Anila Daulatzai seems at least at times to wear hijab, and in 2014-15 was Visiting Assistant Professor of Women’s Studies and Islamic Studies at Harvard Divinity School.

Fuck that bitch. Next time a Muslim will demand you to be removed because you drink alcohol next to her or eat your bacon chips behind her.

Of course the corrupt Islam-loving courts will give her plenty of cash as she is sooooo oppressed.

 

[Suits]

Why didn't they handcuff her?

Would have made it much more difficult for her to resist leaving the airplane.

There should be a federal law that if requested to leave an aircraft, you have ten minutes to do so. Every additional minute after that will be punished by a mandatory one year in prison.

 

[behnam]

I can't understand why these idiots leave their countries.

 

[Belgrano]

Anila Daulatzai seems at least at times to wear hijab, and in 2014-15 was Visiting Assistant Professor of Women’s Studies and Islamic Studies at Harvard Divinity School.

So basically a career victim.

 

[ElFlaco]

Next time a Muslim will demand you to be removed because you drink alcohol next to her or eat your bacon chips behind her.

That is coming. And Orthodox Jews have gotten airlines to move women seated next to them.

 

[The Beast1]

For the record, the only dogs allowed on planes are true bonafide service dogs. IE the ones trained to ignore humans and the like. By law, the only folks able to ask you about your dog's service credentials are airlines.

When you book the flight, you provide the true doctor's notes.

The fakers who go and get the fake paperwork will get exposed if they try this. So whether or not the dog was for true service for a blind person or epileptic is to be seen. Regardless, all the dogs on planes have to be trained to not do anything.