Uptalk and vocal fry

When I hear uptalk and vocal fry I quit listening. This is the most infantile form of speaking the English language has ever known. Why do some men feel the need to imitate this weak female speech form?
Yeah, that annoying speech pattern has been around for long enough that you now hear many middled aged men (Gen X'ers) talking like that. It makes my skin crawl. If it's unattractive in a woman it's downright repulsive in a "man".
 

Salinger

Woodpecker
Look at how people used to talk back in the 50s. Men and women were eloquent, the ladies on this show were either soft-spoken or talked in an upper-class manner. Compare this to today's women who are loud, obnoxious, and exhibit that annoying vocal fry.

 

estraudi

Kingfisher
Gold Member
With all news stations having video chats via zoom and facetime due to the pandemic you can see how prevalent vocal fry, valley talk, uptalking, high-rising terminal, filler words, "umm" and many other shitty forms of speaking are prevalent not only in society but with the broadcasters themselves. Even newspeople are on their phones while trying to talk to the camera! It's ridiculous. This society has no etiquette or respect for civility.
Shit, even my local popular fox news minority is a dumb bimbo who even says "you go grrll, WOW, fabulous, oh my garsh, and "my faves" during her broadcasts! Losers.
 

pitbullowner

Kingfisher
With all news stations having video chats via zoom and facetime due to the pandemic you can see how prevalent vocal fry, valley talk, uptalking, high-rising terminal, filler words, "umm" and many other shitty forms of speaking are prevalent not only in society but with the broadcasters themselves. Even newspeople are on their phones while trying to talk to the camera! It's ridiculous. This society has no etiquette or respect for civility.
Shit, even my local popular fox news minority is a dumb bimbo who even says "you go grrll, WOW, fabulous, oh my garsh, and "my faves" during her broadcasts! Losers.

Good Lord I'm glad I got rid of my television years ago.
 
I was once accused of harassment (non-sexual thankfully) at work by a feminist. I had to email her that an idea she had for a project I was managing wouldn't work. Long story short, I was found non-guilty because my boss couldn't point to anything in the email that was inappropriate. Like all feminists, she was delusional.

After that, I felt pressure to be extremely gentle in my emails to decrease the chance of misinterpretation. However, I felt like I was going overboard and being effeminate, though. It was like the digital version of valley girl.

I have felt this pressure sometimes when I speak to the far-left, feminist women at work. I try to avoid them, but sometimes I have to talk to them. I wouldn't describe how I talked as being valley girl, but I felt effeminate. I felt like I was walking on egg shells around them. I decided against doing this because I felt like it was literally damaging my soul. I decided to be stoic, but nice and even somewhat gentle because I do think a degree of gentleness is appropriate for my particular work environment. This seems to have been effective for me without making me feel effeminate.

I knew a male child psychiatrist who would speak to me, as an adult, like I was a small child. He wasn't being condescending. It was just a habit from working with troubled kids all the time. He didn't seem to know how to turn this habit off.
 

Dr. Black Pill

Sparrow
Suspended
The Valley was still white then.

Valley Girl today would be "Vatos Locos es Putas forevvvvvver ESSSSE"

Or maybe "Hey, I just got off the plane from Hungary and need directions to the porn studio".

Porn and Hispanics are all that's left in the Valley save a few meth addicts. There are no middle-class whites left in the San Fernando Valley.
 

Batman_

Woodpecker
With all news stations having video chats via zoom and facetime due to the pandemic you can see how prevalent vocal fry, valley talk, uptalking, high-rising terminal, filler words, "umm" and many other shitty forms of speaking are prevalent not only in society but with the broadcasters themselves. Even newspeople are on their phones while trying to talk to the camera! It's ridiculous. This society has no etiquette or respect for civility.
Shit, even my local popular fox news minority is a dumb bimbo who even says "you go grrll, WOW, fabulous, oh my garsh, and "my faves" during her broadcasts! Losers.
Who the hell talks without using filler words?
 

estraudi

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Who the hell talks without using filler words?
Me. Though I'm more verbose when typing than I would ever be in talking.
Just, slightly, maybe, perhaps,sort-of, kinda, uhh, umm, that, almost, basically, akshually, really, basically, slightly, somehow we can eliminate filler words from our vocabulary and be more concise and focused when speaking.
 

Batman_

Woodpecker
Me. Though I'm more verbose when typing than I would ever be in talking.
Just, slightly, maybe, perhaps,sort-of, kinda, uhh, umm, that, almost, basically, akshually, really, basically, slightly, somehow we can eliminate filler words from our vocabulary and be more concise and focused when speaking.
But some people genuinely are poor at oral communication and it takes them long to articulate their thoughts in real-time.

Regardless, I do think it's generally a good idea to speak slowly with nuance and great command of language, but sometimes it seems unnecessary. In ordinary, day to day trivial conversation, there doesn't seem to be much value in speaking slowly/clearly if it doesn't amount to anything either way.
 
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estraudi

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Maybe that's where education failed them, too. Who wasn't taught proper english and how to express themselves without sounding like a kid?
That's the point of this thread, no?
 

Batman_

Woodpecker
Maybe that's where education failed them, too. Who wasn't taught proper english and how to express themselves without sounding like a kid?
That's the point of this thread, no?
English classes is 99% writing/reading. Profiency in writing/reading doesn't necessarily translate to good oral communication skills. We learn to speak orally mostly from socializing which is something you do in schools almost incidentally, it's not something they generally encourage beyond your early years.

I don't really have an answer to the main discussion of this thread, though. That sounds to me like it's probably related to generations of men being raised by single moms, nannies, and school teachers.
 

Wutang

Ostrich
Gold Member
Yeah, that annoying speech pattern has been around for long enough that you now hear many middled aged men (Gen X'ers) talking like that. It makes my skin crawl. If it's unattractive in a woman it's downright repulsive in a "man".
The first time I heard the term "vocal fry" was a maybe about 5-6 years ago when it was associated with millennial girls. In the past years I've noticed it's spread like a virus middle aged women use it too now as well as guys.

I have no idea why people talk this. It seems to actually take more effort to gargle your vocals then to speak it. I actually have to actively go out of my way to speak like that if I wanted to but for so many people, it's their default way of speaking.

I'm trying to think of a theory for why this is. Something I notice is that it seems like the speaker will speaking in the style when they are unsure about what they are saying. It's because they aren't confident about whatever it is they are saying or they're in the middle of piecing together their thoughts. My guess is that people these days aren't as confident as sure in themselves so they constantly second guess everything that's coming from their mouth. This is after all the same time where everyone almost brags about about how "awkward" and "weird" they are as a sign of being trendy.
 

Max Roscoe

Sparrow
Even
With all news stations having video chats via zoom and facetime due to the pandemic you can see how prevalent vocal fry, valley talk, uptalking, high-rising terminal, filler words, "umm" and many other shitty forms of speaking are prevalent not only in society but with the broadcasters themselves.
It's horrible. Zero standards. One's voice and speaking style should be a large qualifying factor for getting a job in news reporting, but instead it's where did you go to School, your ideology, your race and sex, or "gender"

Tucker Carlson, one of the few decent tv reporters left (I said decent, not good) has an incredibly emotional way of speaking. I find it very childish and immature. Radio voices are all junk today. Art Bell and Bruce Williams had great radio voices. These days I often have to shut off the radio when I hear improper grammar, vocal fry, or just outright lying. Actually John B Wells is still around but not on terrestrial radio, I think he does an online show. He has possibly the best radio voice I've ever heard.
 
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