Using the term "virgin" to refer to males

Malone

Pelican
Gold Member
I have no problem with men being called whatever names.

What I do have a problem with is language policing.
 

Basil II

Sparrow
Gold Member
When I hear male virgin I think "80/20 rule victim", I don't fault a below top 20% man who decides to focus on his other gifts in life.

It is the reverse of the slut/stud double standard. Female virginity is valuable while male virginity is considered shameful.
 
I do wonder if the purpose of this thread is to talk about the shift from a clan-oriented culture where virginity and arranged marriage are valued,
towards an individualistic culture where out-of-wedlock sex is more common...

...or if it's to excuse some of the poster's failures to get laid.

I'm leaning towards the latter, really.
 

Basil II

Sparrow
Gold Member
SamuelBRoberts said:
I do wonder if the purpose of this thread is to talk about the shift from a clan-oriented culture where virginity and arranged marriage are valued,
towards an individualistic culture where out-of-wedlock sex is more common...

...or if it's to excuse some of the poster's failures to get laid.

I'm leaning towards the latter, really.
Exactly, same as a slut who hates being called a slut will try diminish the term.
 
If being a virgin bothers anyone then pay a hot escort for sex and tell her to teach you a bit in the process.

Pedestalizing of the first time for men is also an example of an inverted world.
 

rpg

Ostrich
nomadbrah said:
If being a virgin bothers anyone then pay a hot escort for sex and tell her to teach you a bit in the process.

Pedestalizing of the first time for men is also an example of an inverted world.
Exactly.
The whole enchilada is nailing down all the variables so a guy can get laid when he wants to. Who the hell wants to get laid once? That is worse than not getting laid ever.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
Darius2times said:
I was actually just talking about this. There is no such thing as a male virginity. The hymen makes a woman a virgin or not, obviously men have no hymen. I have broken a hymen or two and in one of those instances I was also a "virgin", but nothing changed about me other than I had now had sex. She on the other hand bled all over my NFL comforter. In short no such thing as male virginity it's just "Locker room talk"...Shout out to Donald Trump.
Exactly. I am the OP and this is what I meant.

I don't know what the hell everyone else is talking about. I was talking about the word virgin and how it historically applied only to women.

To "lose one's virginity" technically means to be penetrated by a dick for the first time. That's why it makes me cringe when a man is said to "lose his virginity."

If you guys want to keep making comments like "OP is a virgin and just needs to get laid," knock yourselves out. I am done with this thread.
 

ivansirko

Pelican
OP and related all have a point. Virgin, the original definition referred to feminine purity. There is no such thing as a male virgin unless the male wants to be a female.

Maybe we can refer to "male virginity" as "First time getting some".....
 

Enoch

Ostrich
Rob Banks said:
Darius2times said:
I was actually just talking about this. There is no such thing as a male virginity. The hymen makes a woman a virgin or not, obviously men have no hymen. I have broken a hymen or two and in one of those instances I was also a "virgin", but nothing changed about me other than I had now had sex. She on the other hand bled all over my NFL comforter. In short no such thing as male virginity it's just "Locker room talk"...Shout out to Donald Trump.
Exactly. I am the OP and this is what I meant.

I don't know what the hell everyone else is talking about. I was talking about the word virgin and how it historically applied only to women.

To "lose one's virginity" technically means to be penetrated by a dick for the first time. That's why it makes me cringe when a man is said to "lose his virginity."

If you guys want to keep making comments like "OP is a virgin and just needs to get laid," knock yourselves out. I am done with this thread.
This was a good topic and prompted some good conversation. Don't be turned off by the just get laid bro types.

Personal anecdote - The first time I had sex the girl I was with was a virgin. (you never forget that much blood, or the pain the girl endures) Since then haven't had such a profound physical relationship with a woman. Only cherry I ever popped. I wonder if there something biological that happens in a man's brain when he does this....perhaps multiple cherry poppers could chime in...
 

MKDAWUSS

Kingfisher
I noticed that some time back while reading the Bible (where it seemed to be defined as an unmarried woman), but didn't place too much thought into it beyond "that's interesting"
 

rpg

Ostrich
In the Old Testament a bloody bed sheet would be produced to prove a woman was pure at marriage. I think this is kind of messed up. Women have all kinds of hymens. Some have none. Animals seem to show no value for virginity and get down to fucking right away when everything is in order. So in the natural world, ability to reproduce is more important that not ever having the chance. Males battle it out to get dibs on pussy and the winners ensure strong offspring. Male virginity cant exist in the natural world as a positive attribute.
 

FireStarter

Woodpecker
Rob Banks said:
I am done with this thread.
Thread not going the direction you hoped?

If you go by the historical meaning, it shouldn't be used to describe men. But you're not going to change the way the world uses it now.

I don't believe that virgin being an insult to males is necessarily going to mean that females also see it as an insult. The same way that slut is never going to be a genuine insult against a male.

For all the political correctness in the world, I believe that the majority of people understand the difference between masculinity and femininity. They might not admit it, even to themselves but they feel it.

Or maybe I'm just telling myself that because I don't want to believe that there are so many delusional people...
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
FireStarter said:
Thread not going the direction you hoped?

If you go by the historical meaning, it shouldn't be used to describe men. But you're not going to change the way the world uses it now.

I don't believe that virgin being an insult to males is necessarily going to mean that females also see it as an insult. The same way that slut is never going to be a genuine insult against a male.

For all the political correctness in the world, I believe that the majority of people understand the difference between masculinity and femininity. They might not admit it, even to themselves but they feel it.

Or maybe I'm just telling myself that because I don't want to believe that there are so many delusional people...
Thanks for the serious response.

I know I won't change the way people use the term. I just thought I would bring attention to the fact that it has changed from its original meaning due to leftist manipulation of language.

The "slut" comparison is not a good comparison. Nobody except feminists uses the word "slut" to refer to men. Men don't go around referring to other men as "sluts." However, men do refer to other men as "virgins" even here at RVF.

Also, men are not as easily manipulated as women. If a boy in high school gets laid a lot and his peers call him a "slut," that is not likely to have a huge effect on him. On the other hand, if a girl in high school decides to save herself and her peers call her a "virgin prude," that is likely to to have an effect on her.

In fact, I have personal experience with a female family member years ago who was made fun of in high school for being a virgin and never having kissed a guy. Over the next few years, she did some things that she now thoroughly regrets. She told me the reason she did it is because she thought it was "not normal" for her to never have kissed a guy and that sex was what she was "supposed" to do at that age. I have also met other girls who told me similar stories.

Among high school-age kids, there seems to be a culture where "virginity" is something you want to lose as quickly as possible. This obviously stems from the fact that teenage boys want to get laid, but ends up spreading to the girls as well. This happens for many different reasons, but the fact that the term "virgin" applies to both sexes certainly doesn't help.
 

GlobalMan

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Rob Banks said:
Among high school-age kids, there seems to be a culture where "virginity" is something you want to lose as quickly as possible. This obviously stems from the fact that teenage boys want to get laid, but ends up spreading to the girls as well.
It doesn't "spread" to the girls- they are at home rubbing their pussies wanting to bang too, all on their own. This isn't some "deviant" disease that is getting transmitted from boys and infecting girls. These are desires that have been with them through all time.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
GlobalMan said:
Rob Banks said:
Among high school-age kids, there seems to be a culture where "virginity" is something you want to lose as quickly as possible. This obviously stems from the fact that teenage boys want to get laid, but ends up spreading to the girls as well.
It doesn't "spread" to the girls- they are at home rubbing their pussies wanting to bang too, all on their own. This isn't some "deviant" disease that is getting transmitted from boys and infecting girls. These are desires that have been with them through all time.
Are you saying that women in the past did not value their virginity more than women today do?
 

McCarthy

Sparrow
Rob Banks said:
GlobalMan said:
Rob Banks said:
Among high school-age kids, there seems to be a culture where "virginity" is something you want to lose as quickly as possible. This obviously stems from the fact that teenage boys want to get laid, but ends up spreading to the girls as well.
It doesn't "spread" to the girls- they are at home rubbing their pussies wanting to bang too, all on their own. This isn't some "deviant" disease that is getting transmitted from boys and infecting girls. These are desires that have been with them through all time.
Are you saying that women in the past did not value their virginity more than women today do?
I would say yes. I remember in high school girls bragging about who had lost the virginity the earliest. In my mother’s generation that would be unthinkable.

I would go even further and say that female sexuality in attitude is masculinizing very, very fast.
 

billbudsocket

Robin
Gold Member
There is one reference in the Bible to males as virgins, it is the only one that I know of.

Revelations 14:4 - These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
 
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