Using the term "virgin" to refer to males

cascadecombo

Ostrich
Rob Banks said:
I see the term "virgin" being used a lot to refer to guys. It kind of makes me cringe.

The term "virgin" traditionally only referred to women. Up until relatively recently, it was not used (or very rarely used) to refer to men. It makes sense that it would, because women are really the ones who lose something valuable when they have sex for the first time.

What do you guys think?
I don't generally spend my free time trying to debate whether a word should or shouldn't be used by people. Reminds me too much of how the politically correct crowd try to control the vernacular that we use.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
cascadecombo said:
I don't generally spend my free time trying to debate whether a word should or shouldn't be used by people. Reminds me too much of how the politically correct crowd try to control the vernacular that we use.
Which is precisely why it bothers me so much when we use the leftists' gender-neutral language.

There are many common terms that we use in our everyday speech that have had their meaning changed by leftists. "Virgin" is one of those terms. "Adultery" is another (it used to only refer to a cheating woman and her lover, not a cheating man or his lover).

Another example of this -- although not a verbal one -- is the fact that modern men are expected to wear wedding rings. Wedding rings were traditionally only worn by women, in order to let other people know that she was taken (i.e. owned by a man). Men only started wearing them around the 1960s.

I could give many more examples of words and phrases that have been changed in order to make them "gender neutral," which I try to avoid using as much as possible.

I refuse to refer to an MTF transsexual as "she" or "trans-woman" (and vice-versa for FTMs). I try to avoid using the phrase "she fucked him" (the correct phrase would be "she got fucked by him" or "she had sex with him"). I try to avoid using masculine terms like "actor" and "author" to refer to women (the correct feminine terms are "actress" and "authoress").

I realize some people may think I am splitting hairs and being silly. However, I think that these small changes in language affect us more than we think. The way we see the world is affected by the language we use, from the time we are very young. The leftists would not have pushed so hard for "gender-neutral" language over the last 50-100 years if it wasn't such a useful way to manipulate society.
 
Depends on the circles you run around with. I go to church, and it does put a bad mark on your reputation. Not so much the act itself, but the fact that you are breaking a baptismal covenant.

For others, a guy being a virgin itself is a negative thing.
 

Rush87

Ostrich
When I was in high school in the early 2000's, guys always used to call dudes a 'virgin' or a 'pussy' when we were talking smack. I don't see anything wrong with it.
 
People are too sensitive these days, for example in the first Fast in the Furious movie that was released in 2001, Vince says to Brian "Yo,Try Fat Burger from now on you can get yourself a double cheese with fries for $2.95 faggot"

Now a days they wouldn't use the word "Faggot" for a movie geared towards teens.

 

Atlas

Robin
Rob Banks said:
Which is precisely why it bothers me so much when we use the leftists' gender-neutral language.

I realize some people may think I am splitting hairs and being silly. However, I think that these small changes in language affect us more than we think. The way we see the world is affected by the language we use, from the time we are very young.
Rediscovering and preserving the proper terms in our language puts the enemy at a disadvantage. Replacing, adding or exempting words from your speech can assist you in more ways than one. I took this advice from Jordan B. Peterson, who in either the first or second JRE Podcast, said:

"If it makes you feel weaker, stop saying it. Try to reformulate your speech until you can feel the ground under your feet solidifying. Then practice only saying things that make you strong."

This meant the elimination of words such as "just", "think", "feel" or "like"(in replacement of pauses). They're all utterly feminine idiosyncrasies which have grown far too snug on the tongues of young men. Sitting in a modern classroom is insufferable; far too many people rely on these words to get their opinions across, perhaps to ease its submission, to circumvent disapproval.

Most recently, I've learned the origin of "gender" and have refrained using it, as the word allows for retarded arguments to be made to justify dozens of genders. Absolutely refusing the word strips it of credibility, more so when its origin is thoroughly explained. Was never aware of 'virgin's' definition, and from a biology standpoint, it makes sense for the term to refer to females. I wonder if we can get a list going of terms beyond these few that have suffered the same fate.
 

Aurini

Ostrich
I surprised that OP is getting so much flack; I think he's bang on, twiting words and equivocating are one of the Left's main tactics of subversion.

I've written before about the medieval trivium; people used to study:

Grammar (facts and history)
Logic (application of facts upon one another)
Rhetoric (taking a new idea, and putting it on the road).

These days we spend twelve years learning rhetoric (X Boo, Y Yay!), 4 years learning Logic in University to back up the rhetoric, and if you bother to get a PhD you just might learn a little bit of grammar, about an extremely specialized field.

Applying the feminine term 'virgin' to men is yet another form of destruction of grammar, the very basis of language.
 

DarkTriad

Ostrich
Gold Member
Mage said:
Heck even things like having a big dick were not always seen as a good thing for men. In ancient Rome and Greece men with big dicks were made fun of or so I have heard. Political caricatures made fun of politicians by drawing them with bigger then average dicks (or big noses implying big dicks).
Monty Python covered this in their Biggus Dickus documentery.

 

Blaster

Ostrich
Gold Member
Rush87 said:
When I was in high school in the early 2000's, guys always used to call dudes a 'virgin' or a 'pussy' when we were talking smack. I don't see anything wrong with it.
As I understand, OP isn't specifically objecting to the use of the term in this context. It's a more general complaint that the term "virgin" really means "unspoiled woman," but people use it to mean "unspoiled man" which is stupid because men aren't spoiled by sex the way women are.
 

Blaster

Ostrich
Gold Member
cascadecombo said:
Rob Banks said:
I see the term "virgin" being used a lot to refer to guys. It kind of makes me cringe.

The term "virgin" traditionally only referred to women. Up until relatively recently, it was not used (or very rarely used) to refer to men. It makes sense that it would, because women are really the ones who lose something valuable when they have sex for the first time.

What do you guys think?
I don't generally spend my free time trying to debate whether a word should or shouldn't be used by people. Reminds me too much of how the politically correct crowd try to control the vernacular that we use.
Nevertheless, words have meanings and it's helpful to understand what is meant by them. I think the confusion here is that most people on this forum probably don't use the word in the way that Rob Banks objects to. Not understanding the real objection, they just criticize the perceived language policing, which really isn't the point.

Would you ever tell the forum a story about the woman who took your virginity? I'm bet that you wouldn't. You'd tell the story of the first time you got laid, or your first bang, or the first girl you fucked, or the first time you got your dick wet.
 

heavy

Hummingbird
Gold Member
The term is now used to insult men. It used to be used to compliment women.

Notice, one usage is correct, one incorrect.

A virgin is girl/woman who hasn't had sex.
 

bbgun

Woodpecker
To me, losing your virginity means dick in vagina. A gay guy can fuck his BF a million times in the ass and still (technically) be a virgin.
 

Aurini

Ostrich
bbgun said:
To me, losing your virginity means dick in vagina. A gay guy can fuck his BF a million times in the ass and still (technically) be a virgin.
"To me, sexism means power plus privilege. A straight guy can actively support feminist groups and still (technically) be a sexist."

If words mean whatever we feel like they mean, they mean nothing at all.
 
As a 40 something man a virgin to me is any girl in her 20s without kids regardless of how many times or guys she's had sex with.
 
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