Views about Halloween... Can you be a Christian and still celebrate it?

Cavalier

Sparrow
I have also noticed that a lot of decorations are satanic. It clearly shows the sickness of the person's mind who puts stuff like that in front of their house.

I dont want my child to be traumatized by some of the Halloween decorations put up by deranged, secular normies.

Most people are desensitized to violence. Lots of them been watching horror movies since small age. But once you start seeing the world through Christian lenses. A lot of that starts appearing like pure evil.

Im not against mild, childish version of Halloween, but then its almost impossible to see even 3-4 houses in a row with children appropriate displays.
I have noticed that there seem to be many excessively large displays in front of houses this year. Many are as elaborate and extensive as Christmas displays. When I was a kid back in the 70’s it was considered a sort of pseudo holiday. Decorations were up but they were very moderate.
 

thetruewhitenorth

Robin
Orthodox
I have noticed that there seem to be many excessively large displays in front of houses this year. Many are as elaborate and extensive as Christmas displays. When I was a kid back in the 70’s it was considered a sort of pseudo holiday. Decorations were up but they were very moderate.

Maybe its due to the fact that since the pandemic, entertainment options have been limited for most. So people are trying to go big on any fun related event to compensate for rather boring lifestyle in the past year and a half or so.
 

Steven jr

Chicken
Orthodox
My wife and I have decided not to celebrate Halloween for a few reasons. We don't want our toddler to see gory severed heads and corpses hanging from trees. I live in a neighborhood with an HOA I wonder why these displays are allowed they're objectively ugly and I guess that's the point.
Also my wife has been getting serious about trying to avoid companies that work with Senomyx a company that uses fetal cell lines to test flavors and make flavor enhancers. Much of the candy handed out works with them and is basically child targeted chemical warfare. I actually wanted to make a thread about Senomyx on the forum but I don't have many privilege's on here yet.
Finally on a person note I hate cheap plastic crap, and all the Chinese made costumes and decorations are just so off putting to me.
 

Pointy Elbows

Woodpecker
Orthodox
In the last 20 years or so, halloween has become much more gory and degenerate than before. I haven't participated in any way for years. Something about summoning evil spirits and glorifying death and gore. Not my thing.

The disturbing part: I believe halloween is the second most celebrated "holiday" in the US now. Meaning that it is second in retail sales only to Christmas. This has become a little hallmark of our fall from greatness and deviation from healthy and good things.
 
The disturbing part: I believe halloween is the second most celebrated "holiday" in the US now. Meaning that it is second in retail sales only to Christmas. This has become a little hallmark of our fall from greatness and deviation from healthy and good things.
What was the second most celebrated holiday before halloween took that place? Thanksgiving I assume? Or Easter?

Easter is probably the only holiday that isn't completely originating from paganism, while Christmas really has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
What was the second most celebrated holiday before halloween took that place? Thanksgiving I assume? Or Easter?

Easter is probably the only holiday that isn't completely originating from paganism, while Christmas really has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus.

That's just a genetic fallacy. Christ-mass has everything to do with the Incarnation of the Word of God.
 

Pointy Elbows

Woodpecker
Orthodox
What was the second most celebrated holiday before halloween took that place? Thanksgiving I assume? Or Easter?

Easter is probably the only holiday that isn't completely originating from paganism, while Christmas really has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus.
I believe it was Thanksgiving, which gets me thinking:

Thanksgiving is primarily a "family" holiday. With the commonness of divorce in our culture, this family holiday has largely been fractured. Kids split the holiday between parents, lonely off-year parents would rather not think about it, so their spending goes down and the celebration actually becomes depressing.

On the contrary, halloween is a "neighborhood and friend" holiday. You do it where you are, it isn't a big family event once kids become teenagers, and it fits well with a degenerate culture with the party atmosphere. Definitely not "family friendly" to take your slutty halloween date to visit your parents.

Re: Christmas. Many, if not all, Christians take Christmas sincerely as the celebration of Jesus' birth. It is clearly a Christian holiday. I know there are calendar differences between EO and western branches, and I am aware of the seasonal alignment with ancient pagan winter solstice. Still, it is unnecessarily dismissive to discount Christmas as a pagan event.
 
That's just a genetic fallacy. Christ-mass has everything to do with the Incarnation of the Word of God.
Many, if not all, Christians take Christmas sincerely as the celebration of Jesus' birth. It is clearly a Christian holiday.
That's an appeal to majority fallacy. Most Christians celebrating it haven't really looked into the history of it, they just go along with the culture they live in. They don't understand the pagan origins of the tree.

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Add on top of that the idea of giving gifts really doesn't have anything to do with Jesus' birth. and don't act like most Christians don't tell their kids about Santa Claus (Santa=anagram of Satan, Santa Claus = "Satan's Claws")

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The culture of Christmas is materialistic, and the tree and all its decorations are based in paganism
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1 Kings 14:21-24
21Rehoboam son of Solomon was king in Judah. He was forty-one years old when he became king, and he reigned seventeen years in Jerusalem, the city the Lord had chosen out of all the tribes of Israel in which to put his Name. His mother’s name was Naamah; she was an Ammonite. 22Judah did evil in the eyes of the Lord. By the sins they committed they stirred up his jealous anger more than those who were before them had done. 23They also set up for themselves high places, sacred stones and Asherah poles on every high hill and under every spreading tree. 24There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites.
 
I have also noticed that a lot of decorations are satanic. It clearly shows the sickness of the person's mind who puts stuff like that in front of their house.

I dont want my child to be traumatized by some of the Halloween decorations put up by deranged, secular normies.

Most people are desensitized to violence. Lots of them been watching horror movies since small age. But once you start seeing the world through Christian lenses. A lot of that starts appearing like pure evil.

Im not against mild, childish version of Halloween, but then its almost impossible to see even 3-4 houses in a row with children appropriate displays.
Very well explained. The point is that they are BLIND to the "spirit realm".... Its probably part of the "world spirit", so they think its just FUN and no big deal. Only with christian lenses we are able to see the hidden forces.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Orthodox
That's an appeal to majority fallacy. Most Christians celebrating it haven't really looked into the history of it, they just go along with the culture they live in. They don't understand the pagan origins of the tree.

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Add on top of that the idea of giving gifts really doesn't have anything to do with Jesus' birth. and don't act like most Christians don't tell their kids about Santa Claus (Santa=anagram of Satan, Santa Claus = "Satan's Claws")

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The culture of Christmas is materialistic, and the tree and all its decorations are based in paganism
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1 Kings 14:21-24
21Rehoboam son of Solomon was king in Judah. He was forty-one years old when he became king, and he reigned seventeen years in Jerusalem, the city the Lord had chosen out of all the tribes of Israel in which to put his Name. His mother’s name was Naamah; she was an Ammonite. 22Judah did evil in the eyes of the Lord. By the sins they committed they stirred up his jealous anger more than those who were before them had done. 23They also set up for themselves high places, sacred stones and Asherah poles on every high hill and under every spreading tree. 24There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites.
If you want to bash Christmas, a holiday prescribed by the Orthodox Church, the official Church of this forum, go make a thread for it.

But this idea is ahistorical and a rebellion against the Church which Christ established. If you want to celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25th and not give gifts, fine, but a tree is just a tree, God has given us trillions of them. You want to disavow trees because they were used centuries in the past as part of pagan rituals? Well you're writing this on a phone or computer, and you can't even fathom the amount of pagan rituals that have been done on phones and computers just today.

Giving gifts is a Babylonian tradition? Are you serious? Can you hear what you're saying?

Christmas is on December 25th, which is NEVER when Roman Saturnalia occurs, from 17-23 December.

The best evidence for Christ's birth points to December 25th.

And comparing decorating a tree to a "holiday" wherein people hang up decorations of witches, the undead, demons, etc. is really disingenuous.
 

Cavalier

Sparrow
That's an appeal to majority fallacy. Most Christians celebrating it haven't really looked into the history of it, they just go along with the culture they live in. They don't understand the pagan origins of the tree.

CHRISTMAS%20APOLOGIST4b.gif


Add on top of that the idea of giving gifts really doesn't have anything to do with Jesus' birth. and don't act like most Christians don't tell their kids about Santa Claus (Santa=anagram of Satan, Santa Claus = "Satan's Claws")

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The culture of Christmas is materialistic, and the tree and all its decorations are based in paganism
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1 Kings 14:21-24
21Rehoboam son of Solomon was king in Judah. He was forty-one years old when he became king, and he reigned seventeen years in Jerusalem, the city the Lord had chosen out of all the tribes of Israel in which to put his Name. His mother’s name was Naamah; she was an Ammonite. 22Judah did evil in the eyes of the Lord. By the sins they committed they stirred up his jealous anger more than those who were before them had done. 23They also set up for themselves high places, sacred stones and Asherah poles on every high hill and under every spreading tree. 24There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites.
Santa is Latin for saint and Claus is short for Nicholas so I really don’t know about your word games. As for the rogues gallery of heretics against Christmas, well what better advocation for Christmas could you give.
 

orthobulgarian

Pigeon
Orthodox
I don’t see any particular issue of re-Christianising Halloween as Church did with many feast during the centuries. It’s also peculiar to note that current celebration is so obviously connected with Anglo-American satanic / occult elite and have hidden meaning, but hidden meaning cannot affect / do harm the faithful since God is all powerful and everything happens for our salvation.

It’s also pretty interesting to say that Christmas tree is invented by Martin Luther and on the other hand modern Protestants are who see it as form of paganism while is peacefully integrated into ordinary life by Catholic and Orthodox. It’s important also to say that Jeremiah 10 talks about totems and so called Asherah which is something entirely different.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
I don’t see any particular issue of re-Christianising Halloween as Church did with many feast during the centuries. It’s also peculiar to note that current celebration is so obviously connected with Anglo-American satanic / occult elite and have hidden meaning, but hidden meaning cannot affect / do harm the faithful since God is all powerful and everything happens for our salvation.

It’s also pretty interesting to say that Christmas tree is invented by Martin Luther and on the other hand modern Protestants are who see it as form of paganism while is peacefully integrated into ordinary life by Catholic and Orthodox. It’s important also to say that Jeremiah 10 talks about totems and so called Asherah which is something entirely different.

1 Corinthians 8:13. "Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble."

In other words, even if participating in Halloween had no effect on Christians (and this is doubtful), it would still be wrong to do so.

In general, I'll go with the saints and holy elders of the Church, and not participate in this demonic feast.
 

orthobulgarian

Pigeon
Orthodox
1 Corinthians 8:13. "Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble."

In other words, even if participating in Halloween had no effect on Christians (and this is doubtful), it would still be wrong to do so.

In general, I'll go with the saints and holy elders of the Church, and not participate in this demonic feast.
You are absolutely right on this, don’t get me wrong - I am not arguing for participation in something so obviously occult. But instead I am suggesting that there’s nothing wrong with the original All Hallows’ Eve as day for commemoration of all saints and this meaning of the feast can easily be re-established in the culture.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
You are absolutely right on this, don’t get me wrong - I am not arguing for participation in something so obviously occult. But instead I am suggesting that there’s nothing wrong with the original All Hallows’ Eve as day for commemoration of all saints and this meaning of the feast can easily be re-established in the culture.
There's nothing wrong with All Souls or All Saints' Day. However, these are really something Roman Catholics do in the Fall: doesn't concern us as Orthodox.

You're wrong in your second assertion: in our current culture, it is not 'easy' to baptize Halloween. Efforts to do so are wasted.
 

El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
In Scotland we celebrated halloween, when i was a kid, when we moved to England (mid 80s), barely anyone did. Modern Halloween is an American export (even if it originated in Scotland & Ireland), that beyond under-10s playing dress up, is wholly for crass commercialism and rank attention / novelty seeking for adults.

A national 'fancy dress day' for morons, basically.

I dont think theres much truly occultist to 99% of people who celebrate it, and i dont think theyre somehow duped into participating in occultist ritual. I just think it's moronic, crass and has no place in any Christian's calender. But i'm not going to rant or rave about it to anyone. Ive got to the point where i dont really care that much about what other people are doing, beyond a certain point at least.

Luckily where i live now it barely registers (tho depressingly some shops and cafes etc have started decorating themselves in tacky cheap chinese tat to mark the occasion). When i was in UK and trick or treaters would do the rounds, i would just not answer the door all night. Bah humbug, frankly.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
In my point of view, Halloween is for children. Let them celebrate it but dress them up in positive role models for the day. Don't allow them to have too much candy and you should be good.

If you dont have any kids, give out candy if you like but definitely don't participate in this craziness this year. The time is better spent building yourself or building your business up.
Problem is though that it is a slippery slope. Next step is oh just let him watch a horror film, oh let him hang out with his gothic friends, oh let him go to a Satanic metal concert, oh well let him go to the Church of Satan because well we're free after all and make our own choices don't we. The way Satan works in the world is that he lures you in with a little bit of bait and gives you small crumbs that eventually lead to disaster. I've found that things I'd see as very superficial and non threatening turned out to be very cunningly crafted tools of Satan to bring you astray.
 

JoeChill

Sparrow
What was the second most celebrated holiday before halloween took that place? Thanksgiving I assume? Or Easter?
Easter is probably the only holiday that isn't completely originating from paganism, while Christmas really has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus.
With respect, I have to disagree. I don't think that Halloween has pagan origins at all. The idea that the RCC established All Saints' Day on November 1st adopting pagan customs from a Fall festival for the dead (Samhain) from Celtic/Irish pagans to make the pagans' conversion easier isn't true. Those tales originated from American anti-Irish propaganda. Adam Blai had an excellent presentation on this.


You can get a shorter version here:
 

OrthoCole

Sparrow
Orthodox Catechumen
(see attachments) I pulled this from someone on Twitter, it is an excerpt from an article written by a Priest (Fr. Benjamin Nasko). Where he clears up some misconceptions about the origins of Halloween, which have been popularized in the Orthodox world because of Protestant influences.

He also critiques the modern celebration of Halloween as being a perversion of what the holiday originally was. Fr. Naskos says, "it is clearly still possible, especially for Western Christians to have a pious and holy celebration of Halloween." and goes on to encourage Western Christians to take back the true meaning of Halloween.

What I glean from all this, is that Americanism ruins everything it touches. It takes Christian holidays like Christmas, Pascha, All Hallows Eve, etc. and perverts it for commercial gain. Which has caused many Christians to unknowingly adopt a Protestant reactionary view, which started as anti-Catholic propaganda.
 

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Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
(see attachments) I pulled this from someone on Twitter, it is an excerpt from an article written by a Priest (Fr. Benjamin Nasko). Where he clears up some misconceptions about the origins of Halloween, which have been popularized in the Orthodox world because of Protestant influences.

He also critiques the modern celebration of Halloween as being a perversion of what the holiday originally was. Fr. Naskos says, "it is clearly, still possible for Western Christians to have a pious and holy celebration of Halloween." and goes on to encourage Western Christians to take back the true meaning of Halloween.

What I glean from all this, is that Americanism ruins everything it touches. It takes Christian holidays like Christmas, Pascha, All Hallows Eve, etc. and perverts it for commercial gain. Which has caused many Christians to unknowingly adopt a Protestant reactionary view, which started as anti-Catholic propaganda.

The origins of Halloween are irrelevant to its present-day manifestation. To claim otherwise risks a Genetic Fallacy.

In Orthodoxy, we trust the words of holy elders and God-bearing bishops over others. I do not know who Fr. Benjamin Naasko is. I am sure he is a good man, but his opinion does not trump that of holy elders, who have been cited in this thread. Each person is entitled to their view, but that does not make their view valid.

Our Lord says that bad trees cannot bear good fruit. St. Paul tells the Ephesians to have no fellowship with darkness. We cannot hope to 'celebrate Halloween in a holy way' given the current cultural milieu, despite the feast's apparent origins in All Saints/Souls Day. Instead, let us reject any celebration of Halloween with love towards our neighbours.

Since you are a catechumen, I would advise you to seek the consensus of holy fathers when exploring this and other issues.
 
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