Viruses aren't contagious thread

doctorweedmd

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
I'm still reading through this thread so apologies if this has been brought up, but the problem with "well WHADDABOUT THE BLACK DEATH" is that this, and many other illnesses, is caused by bacteria, not a virus. Terrain theory may be completely accurate about "viral" diseases, while other diseases have a bacterial source and actually are infectious. I'm still learning so I can't say where I come down one way or the other, but my initial impression is that the mistake of mainstream virologists is assuming the behavior of viruses mirrors that of infectious bacteria.
There are two terrain theories on Black Plague. First one (which I find more believable) is that its history -- like most of history -- is inaccurate and the death count was inflated. The other theory which Cowan mentions in the Contagion Myth book is that the plague was caused by radiation poisoning via an alleged close encounter of a giant comet hitting earth. Summary: https://www.world-archaeology.com/books/new-light-on-the-black-death/

Bacteria is real, but in the majority of cases do not cause disease. Bacteria exists to eat away toxins. Blaming bacteria for an illness is like blaming a janitor for a dirty floor. One of the biggest trends in the based health world right now is PRO-biotics.

Bacteria is ultimately a different subject from viruses that I haven't dived into as much. This is a good doc though
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
"If viruses aren’t contagious, then what are they?"
Viruses, more suitably just illness, is the body’s way of cleansing material that is dead, decaying, weak, or useless. To put it more simply, viruses are a cleansing soap that the body sends out when it feels it needs to be cleaned out. For many people, this is a yearly event, better known as “the flu”. At roughly the same time every year, people who eat largely the same diet (and not a good one at that) come down with a cleansing ritual that ranges from light cold to brutal wipeout. This is one of the first things that contributes to the myth of contagion — that, because we get sick around the same time each [year], it must be spread by germs. Strangely enough, millions upon millions of people within close range of the sick never get their turn of the “contagious flu” and simply carry on. Do they have impenetrable immune systems (another myth) or have they just eaten a little better and kept their bodies in better shape? You decide.

Viruses are DNA specific “car washes” for the body. This is precisely why vaccines wouldn’t work even in a world where contagion was real. Because they are specific to your DNA, you cannot take the cells of another being and use them to fight your virus. That is not how it works. Your virus, your sickness, is specific to you. It has run a diagnostic test on your body, accounted for what needs to be purged, and taken action. As a result, you discard those toxins. Toxins are pushed out in sweat, tears, snot, spit, feces, urine, and vomit. Anything that is stuck is shaken loose by a cough. That’s what coughs are generally for. When the virus runs its course, you feel new again. Your body is fresh. It has given you another chance to eat better, get sun, get exercise, and comply with its requirements for good living.
 
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Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
Research doctors could not infect medical test subjects with the Spanish flu no matter how hard they tried:
His first volunteers received first one strain and then several strains of Pfeiffer’s bacillus by spray and swab into their noses and throats and then into their eyes. When that procedure failed to produce disease, others were inoculated with mixtures of other organisms isolated from the throats and noses of influenza patients. Next, some volunteers received injections of blood from influenza patients. Finally, 13 of the volunteers were taken into an influenza ward and exposed to 10 influenza patients each. Each volunteer was to shake hands with each patient, to talk with him at close range, and to permit him to cough directly into his face. None of the volunteers in these experiments developed influenza.
 

Don Quixote

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
I think the problem is people thinking that these new viruses are organic things that just spring up from nature to infect people. That term is also just laden with all kinds of false associations. The way I view it now, there is no difference between "virus" and "vaccine." The Pfizer and Moderna shots are mRNA. The Covid "virus" is an RNA virus. Both Pfizer and "Covid" are simply a piece of code (a message) that instructs host cell to build a specific protein, in this case a toxic molecule built in a lab.

So really it makes more sense to think of these things as sequences of instructions, much like a computer virus, than some organic entity like a bacteria. Perhaps there are more "organic viruses" that do really stem from nature, after all data and information certainly is shared across the spectrum of all life forms. But I believe these new "RNA viruses" (including Hep C, HIV, Covid, etc.) are for the most part bioengineered lab creations.

Much of the debate is just semantics and they have deceived people by playing on this schema as if viruses are organic things beyond our control. If real commissions were to independently investigate the origins of Covid in a serious way, and to uncover past abuses by Fauci as RFK Jr. exposes in his book, and these criminals were actually brought to justice, much of what we're seeing would end. What is coming next, and what Covid was merely preparation for, would not happen. This is not happening because people are just talking on the surface of issues and making the Covid bioweapon hypothesis into a political argument of China v U.S..
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Everything that has ever been disproven or made false by science, was at one point held up as proven or truth.

Great thread again!
That's a great insight. That taps into the idea of progression. Progression, progression, progression. But progression towards what? Isn't progression progression away from truth? Away from Christ? If truth is objective and was shown to us 2000 years ago, what is there to progress towards? If things were regarded as truth in the past, and now they aren't, we should at least be skeptical about it.
 

anti-science

 
Banned
Gnostic or New Age
Stefan Lanka and Tom Cowan talk in Virology.



From what I watched so far he is going into aryuvedia and acknowledging the role of the soul behind illness. He also says scientists in past wanted took the materialistic approach to the body because they wanted to completely discard God. I am very surprised and happy to hear him discuss this. Will watch the rest later.
 

SpaceShredder

 
Banned
Protestant
Quick question. The "Terrain" theory is really interesting to me and I'm really getting into this alternate explanation of disease, especially after reading how falsified and unscientific all the research has been throughout the 20th century concerning supposed pathogenic diseases. However, how does one explain the smallpox epidemic that ravaged the Native Americans when they encountered the Europeans in the 16th and 17th centuries. What is the "Terrain theory" explanation?
 

Redcrosse

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Quick question. The "Terrain" theory is really interesting to me and I'm really getting into this alternate explanation of disease, especially after reading how falsified and unscientific all the research has been throughout the 20th century concerning supposed pathogenic diseases. However, how does one explain the smallpox epidemic that ravaged the Native Americans when they encountered the Europeans in the 16th and 17th centuries. What is the "Terrain theory" explanation?
This is a complicated issue to answer, because you have the broad genus of Terrain Theory, and then you have the various “species” of competing paradigms within that larger genus that overlap with each other, but also differ slightly in their explanations in certain crucial respects. They may be 80 or 90 percent the same in their explanations but they aren’t 100 percent in sync.

The “species” or “paradigm” of Terrain Theory I myself have looked at most closely is German New Medicine, formulated and developed by the late Dr. Ryke Hamer in the 1980s and 1990s. And he at least did have an explanation for the epidemic that ravaged the Native American population.

First off, while he did believe smallpox occurred, he also believed the large majority of native deaths at the time were caused by pneumonia, not smallpox. According to him, diseases such as smallpox and pneumonia are triggered by what he called conflict shocks, which are sudden debilitating biological shocks that strike you out of nowhere and blindside you. These sudden shocks are what “activate” the disease process in the body. A disease like pneumonia is triggered by what Hamer called a territorial conflict or existence fright conflict. It’s an emergency biological program activated by the brain to give the person a temporary “boost” or “advantage” of some kind.

Now this is the key, crucial point. Hamer discovered that all diseases undergo a two phase process:

1) the conflict active phase: during this phase there are often no negative symptoms and you aren’t even cognizant that the emergency program or “disease” is active. You feel nothing strange. But meanwhile, something has altered in your body that is giving you some sort of temporary physical or mental advantage, some “boost” or “bonus” that is designed to increase your survival potential in an emegency siutation.

2) the healing/resolution phase: now’s the time when you feel sick, pained, exhausted, weary, and need to rest and recuperate. It’s similar to how Olympic athletes who strain their body’s potential to its limits need to spend a lot of time sleeping and resting. When the body is pushed to its limits, there needs to be healing and recuperation.

With pneumonia, here is a brief explanation:


In the GNM, pneumonia is considered to be what we call a “healing phase” which means that:

1. The biological conflict shock has been resolved and 2. The affected organ/ tissue, in this case the bronchi, are healing.

Of course traditional medicine sees this condition as a disease in itself and in some serious cases the patient may need to be stabilized in a clinical setting.

The origin of pneumonia​

Dr. Hamer has found from his personal experience, as well as thousands of cases in his research, that the origin of pneumonia is what we call a “territorial fear” in men and a “nest fear” in women. As a matter of fact, in many cases there was also a fear of aggression of some kind involved. Of course the male territory and the female nest refer to our home and loved ones.

When we experience a DHS with respect to our territory or nest, our bronchi become affected with microscopic ulcerations. This will continue to various degrees until we solve the fear. When we resolve the biological conflict, the bronchi heal, swell and become irritated. This is when a cough will begin. However, this is a condition generally known as bronchitis which is also sometimes accompanied by other symptoms such as a fever, aches and pains that are commonly known as the “flu”.

The kidney collecting tubule syndrome​

Pneumonia is a little different because it also involves fluid buildup in the lungs. What Dr. Hamer found was that the actual fluid buildup associated with pneumonia is the result of another conflict. However this is considered a conflict active phase. In this case we are once again looking at the kidney collecting tubule syndrome which I have talked about in my blog on other occasions.

When we experience a territorial fear, it is based on a threat to either our personal safety of the safety of our loved ones.

Let’s use the example of someone that has developed pneumonia as the result of finding a new home for the family. This is a good thing right? Then why did they become ill?

As I mentioned earlier, pneumonia is a healing phase, so we have to back track for a moment to understand what was resolved for the person that developed this condition.

The DHS (shock) for the patient was that he had lost his job and as a result the bank needed to foreclose on his house because he was unable to keep up the payments. The fear of course also involved a simultaneous conflict that typically affects the kidney collecting tubules. This would be a “refugee” conflict meaning he would lose his home and his family would end up on the street if he was unable to find something suitable or within his financial means.

This fluid build up during pneumonia is biologically designed to help us to “survive longer”​

When we have a refugee conflict, a biological “survival mechanism” involving the conservation of fluid systemically is initiated. This fluid build up is biologically designed to help us to “survive longer” under circumstance which threaten our existence.

The fluid buildup we experience as a result of this survival mechanism complicates the actual healing phase that originally affected the bronchi, so what we are actually experiencing is a conflict active phase affecting the kidney collecting tubules on top of a healing phase affecting the bronchi.

Of course there are many other possible scenarios that can cause pneumonia, but the key here has to do with a fear or threat to oneself and or to our loved ones.

It is easy to see, if this theory is correct, how mass waves of pneumonia were triggered in the Native Americans when the Europeans took away their lands and territories they always believed they would possess forever. Being driven off your land will activate the territorial shock conflict and initiate the “pneumonia” program. Sadly, many died of the pneumonia instead of fully resolving and completing the healing phase.

The key thing to emphasize here, though, is that the “pneumonia,” from the standpoint of biology, is a worthwhile risk - triggered by a territorial conflict, if your territory, your “home,” your sacred grounds, have been stripped away from you, a build up of extra fluids in the body enables you to survive longer when you suddenly find yourself, without any forewarning, deprived of your accustomed intake of water, food and shelter - especially the former.

Now do you see why virus theory and vaccines are so dangerous? They are turning God and Nature into an enemy that must be fought and annihilated. When in fact all we need is proper understanding of the disease process and mechanism, including the specific “triggers” for each disease, and we can then maximize the benefits and minimize the risks and dangers associated with each disease, all without needing vaccines at all. And in the future, we will be able to automatically switch the disease process off at will simply by getting more in touch with our own minds and spirits!

Check out my post here for more on this subject:


And this one:

 

SpaceShredder

 
Banned
Protestant
This is a complicated issue to answer, because you have the broad genus of Terrain Theory, and then you have the various “species” of competing paradigms within that larger genus that overlap with each other, but also differ slightly in their explanations in certain crucial respects. They may be 80 or 90 percent the same in their explanations but they aren’t 100 percent in sync.

The “species” or “paradigm” of Terrain Theory I myself have looked at most closely is German New Medicine, formulated and developed by the late Dr. Ryke Hamer in the 1980s and 1990s. And he at least did have an explanation for the epidemic that ravaged the Native American population.

First off, while he did believe smallpox occurred, he also believed the large majority of native deaths at the time were caused by pneumonia, not smallpox. According to him, diseases such as smallpox and pneumonia are triggered by what he called conflict shocks, which are sudden debilitating biological shocks that strike you out of nowhere and blindside you. These sudden shocks are what “activate” the disease process in the body. A disease like pneumonia is triggered by what Hamer called a territorial conflict or existence fright conflict. It’s an emergency biological program activated by the brain to give the person a temporary “boost” or “advantage” of some kind.

Now this is the key, crucial point. Hamer discovered that all diseases undergo a two phase process:

1) the conflict active phase: during this phase there are often no negative symptoms and you aren’t even cognizant that the emergency program or “disease” is active. You feel nothing strange. But meanwhile, something has altered in your body that is giving you some sort of temporary physical or mental advantage, some “boost” or “bonus” that is designed to increase your survival potential in an emegency siutation.

2) the healing/resolution phase: now’s the time when you feel sick, pained, exhausted, weary, and need to rest and recuperate. It’s similar to how Olympic athletes who strain their body’s potential to its limits need to spend a lot of time sleeping and resting. When the body is pushed to its limits, there needs to be healing and recuperation.

With pneumonia, here is a brief explanation:




It is easy to see, if this theory is correct, how mass waves of pneumonia were triggered in the Native Americans when the Europeans took away their lands and territories they always believed they would possess forever. Being driven off your land will activate the territorial shock conflict and initiate the “pneumonia” program. Sadly, many died of the pneumonia instead of fully resolving and completing the healing phase.

The key thing to emphasize here, though, is that the “pneumonia,” from the standpoint of biology, is a worthwhile risk - triggered by a territorial conflict, if your territory, your “home,” your sacred grounds, have been stripped away from you, a build up of extra fluids in the body enables you to survive longer when you suddenly find yourself, without any forewarning, deprived of your accustomed intake of water, food and shelter - especially the former.

Now do you see why virus theory and vaccines are so dangerous? They are turning God and Nature into an enemy that must be fought and annihilated. When in fact all we need is proper understanding of the disease process and mechanism, including the specific “triggers” for each disease, and we can then maximize the benefits and minimize the risks and dangers associated with each disease, all without needing vaccines at all. And in the future, we will be able to automatically switch the disease process off at will simply by getting more in touch with our own minds and spirits!

Check out my post here for more on this subject:


And this one:

Have you ever heard about this idea concerning the smallpox:


Bedbugs…
 

SpaceShredder

 
Banned
Protestant

Wutang

Ostrich
Gold Member
I was reading an article about the rabies virus and how Pasteur developed the vaccine for it. If viruses aren't real does that mean that there's something else being transfered from a rabid animal to a human when the animal infects the human with a bite? How would an alternative theory of illness such as terrain theory account for what seems like a pretty obvious example of a disease being passed from one organism to another?
 

WildMonke

Chicken
Other Christian
The best book I've read on this topic is "Virus Mania":

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It includes many of the examples shared in this thread - such as the difficulty in experientially transmitting the flu.

I also recommend "Bechamp or Pasteur? A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology" - though it is a bit dry and history based.
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Like Roosh, and others, I have a microbiology education. This did not cause me to scoff at the idea viruses not being contagious. In fact, the more you learn about biology the more you realize that there are gigantic holes in our understanding of how biological systems work - if only due to the sheer complexity of life.

Still, I think there are contagious diseases in general - which Dr. Cowan and others dispute. For example, his explanation of STDs seems very unusual. Though, I will admit I don't understand how these systems work; it's totally possible we just haven't arrived at an accurate explanation yet.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
A new study under review (not yet final) claims to have infected healthy patients with "wild-type" coronavirus.
Eighteen (~53%) became infected, with viral load (VL) rising steeply and peaking at ~5 days post-inoculation. Virus was first detected in the throat but rose to significantly higher levels in the nose, peaking at ~8.87 log10 copies/ml (median, 95% CI [8.41,9.53). Viable virus was recoverable from the nose up to ~10 days post-inoculation, on average.
This is all I could find on how they transmitted the virus:
All participants were inoculated with 10 TCID50 of SARS-CoV-2/human/GBR/484861/2020 (a D614G-containing pre-alpha wild-type virus; Genbank Accession number OM294022) by intranasal drops (Figure 1b).
The media has already used the conclusion of the study to further their aims, as if the paper has been peer reviewed:
Since all "virus isolates" aren't actually isolates of the virus, but a stew of all types of material (antibiotics, dead monkey cells, fetal calf syndrome, etc), I don't believe they've shown that they gave subjects only the virus. Until they can prove that the subjects didn't receive anything else, we cannot conclude that a virus was the cause of infection.
 
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