Viruses aren't contagious thread

[Redcrosse]

By the way, for those familiar with gnm, I'm curious to hear explanations for the following diseases I have: ADHD, chronic fatigue, seasonal allergies, recurring boils. And I guess what to do about them.

Your best bet would probably be to try and locate a GNM practitioner (most of them evidently do Skype and Zoom) and do a few sessions. Their whole training is in helping you to locate the original “track” or multiple “tracks” so you can resolve them, and consequently the health condition goes into remission. And you can make the remission permanent as long as you’re finally clear what the triggering event was.

The GNM website has the names of a couple practitioners who take clients: they apparently do Skype sessions.

Scroll down to the bottom of this page to where it says TESTIMONIALS and Case Studies:

German New Medicine Therapy - a brief Summary

This page provides a brief summary of the practical application of German New Medicine (GNM)

learninggnm.com

Another website is here, in some ways his explanations are clearer and simpler, this guy also has a contact form and takes clients:

German New Medicine. Guidance | Support | Discussion.

German New Medicine sessions worldwide via FaceTime, Skype, WhatsApp as well as traditional phone. Dr. Neal Robert Smookler German New Medicine Practitioners

www.newmedicineonline.com

It’s really the various case studies that make it comprehensible what’s going on with the various diseases and how they can become recurrent and chronic - going away then coming back again - in some people. Like how a person can have arthritis, for example, that seems to get better but then worsens again. Some days it’s better, others worse. It’s because something is happening in their everyday life that is reactivating the memory that initiated the original conflict shock.

Specifically pertaining to your question about allergies, here’s a post that explains how allergies can become compounded, how one layer gets added to another due to mental associations:

Strawberries and Seasonal Gesundheit - German New Medicine Practitioner

While similar to the equivalent of 'bless you' in english - I was told the exact meaning of gesundheit was closer to 'good health to you' ...

www.newmedicineonline.com

 

[The Catalyst]

Your best bet would probably be to try and locate a GNM practitioner (most of them evidently do Skype and Zoom) and do a few sessions. Their whole training is in helping you to locate the original “track” or multiple “tracks” so you can resolve them, and consequently the health condition goes into remission. And you can make the remission permanent as long as you’re finally clear what the triggering event was.

The GNM website has the names of a couple practitioners who take clients: they apparently do Skype sessions.

Scroll down to the bottom of this page to where it says TESTIMONIALS and Case Studies:

German New Medicine Therapy - a brief Summary

This page provides a brief summary of the practical application of German New Medicine (GNM)

learninggnm.com

Another website is here, in some ways his explanations are clearer and simpler, this guy also has a contact form and takes clients:

German New Medicine. Guidance | Support | Discussion.

German New Medicine sessions worldwide via FaceTime, Skype, WhatsApp as well as traditional phone. Dr. Neal Robert Smookler German New Medicine Practitioners

www.newmedicineonline.com

It’s really the various case studies that make it comprehensible what’s going on with the various diseases and how they can become recurrent and chronic - going away then coming back again - in some people. Like how a person can have arthritis, for example, that seems to get better but then worsens again. Some days it’s better, others worse. It’s because something is happening in their everyday life that is reactivating the memory that initiated the original conflict shock.

Specifically pertaining to your question about allergies, here’s a post that explains how allergies can become compounded, how one layer gets added to another due to mental associations:

Strawberries and Seasonal Gesundheit - German New Medicine Practitioner

While similar to the equivalent of 'bless you' in english - I was told the exact meaning of gesundheit was closer to 'good health to you' ...

www.newmedicineonline.com

Do you know how I would contact those practitioners?

 

[Redcrosse]

Do you know how I would contact those practitioners?

One of them has a website here, go where it says “Connect” and he has a form to fill out:

https://www.dralvindeleon.com

The other website, maintained by Neil Smookler, click where it says Contact (upper right side of the page) to message him:

German New Medicine. Guidance | Support | Discussion.

German New Medicine sessions worldwide via FaceTime, Skype, WhatsApp as well as traditional phone. Dr. Neal Robert Smookler German New Medicine Practitioners

www.newmedicineonline.com

 

[Sisyphus]

This isn't directly applicable to the title of the thread, but I think does conform to the overall spirit of the thread.

There was some talk earlier about ADHD. I'd like to point out that ADHD is a made-up disease. While we can debate the disease causing properties of viruses, I hope we can accept that there are natural organic diseases that can easily be observed either with the naked eye or medical images. It also seems convincing that observable bacteria like E. coli and salmonella cause bacterial disease. It would be foolhardy to argue against the existence of heart valve stenosis or insufficiency, glaucoma, cataracts, diabetes, tumors, goiters, MS, ALS, and so on. Show me ADHD. What specific part of the body is afflicted?

The purpose of the modern education system is to churn out bureaucrats by overriding every natural instinct a child has while preparing them for a life which will involve sitting still for 8+ hours a day while being tasked with tedious drudgery. No child in their right mind would prefer to sit still and learn about insignificant facts instead of exploring the outdoors, running, chasing, wrestling, picking up animals, looking at cool leaves and rocks, jumping in puddles, throwing things, knocking sticks together, or whatever.

I argue that something is wrong with the child who obediently sits there while having someone prattle on about social studies and not the other way around as we're led to believe. ADHD is an excuse for pharmaceutical companies to sell dangerous drugs to young children and to get people hooked on their products while their age is still in the single digits. Children who are medicated at such a young age will be more likely to find a need to use pharmaceutical drugs later in life.

ADHD is being a normal, psychologically healthy child. Of course they tell us it's a disease, because normal, healthy children wouldn't willingly strive to transform themselves into corporate drones that can and will be replaced by robots within 10 years. It's the first step in ensuring conformity in behavior which is a precursor to the ideological conformity foisted on children earlier than we'd ever imagined in today's "education" system.

For adults, ADHD is simply an inability to focus and concentrate caused by overuse of phones and overconsumption of media which is intentionally designed to eradicate the attention span of its users. We can see how effective this campaign has been. Adults who are told they have "ADHD" simply need to put away the phones and screens and work on techniques that improve concentration. You can transform and improve the function of your mind with dedicated effort instead of relying on pharmaceutical toxins.

 

[rainy]

I was in middle school and HS in the 90's. During the wave of handing out ritalin to kids. Had friends on that stuff. Basically meth. They were 14 and needed to take downers in the evening to combat the side effects. Multiply that by 5-10 years on that stuff during key development years.

No one prescribed it I knew turned out well.

Kids are supposed to explore. To get into trouble. To test their boundaries. While they need to learn right from wrong, part of their growth is imagination, pretending, seeing what physical limits are, which all plays into who they become. Individuality. Personality. Independence.

The meds just numb all of it. Suppress development. Turn kids into zombies.

Children should be exploring the woods, climbing trees, having snowball fights, pretending they're pirates, scraping their knees, getting a bloody nose every now and then. That's life. That's learning. Not being strapped to a desk and suppressed on meds because the teacher didn't like you calling the boy next to you a buttface.

 

[homersheineken]

I was in middle school and HS in the 90's. During the wave of handing out ritalin to kids. Had friends on that stuff. Basically meth. They were 14 and needed to take downers in the evening to combat the side effects. Multiply that by 5-10 years on that stuff during key development years.

No one prescribed it I knew turned out well.

Kids are supposed to explore. To get into trouble. To test their boundaries. While they need to learn right from wrong, part of their growth is imagination, pretending, seeing what physical limits are, which all plays into who they become. Individuality. Personality. Independence.

The meds just numb all of it. Suppress development. Turn kids into zombies.

Children should be exploring the woods, climbing trees, having snowball fights, pretending they're pirates, scraping their knees, getting a bloody nose every now and then. That's life. That's learning. Not being strapped to a desk and suppressed on meds because the teacher didn't like you calling the boy next to you a buttface.

I absolutely agree.

The problem that comes is when they don't have a father figure to steer them the right way when they are supposed to learn right from wrong from those adventures. They never do learn. So drugs are a vicarious patriarch to calm them down for the mean time.

Until, they are no longer calm, their brain is reprogrammed and we have Uvalde, or "Reports from American Cities" postings :/

 

[quilter]

Only a very perverse and sick society would endorse the prescribing of Ritalin to kids, it's a class A drug.

My son messed around with drugs as did most of his mates aged 16-18, and told me recently that of everything he tried (including regularly Mdma and once LSD) without doubt the most potent and addictive was Ritalin which he tried once.

He took a tab one luchtime with a friend to see the effects in the afternoon in his lessons (he went by the official blurb about it making you focussed). In one class that he usually had trouble staying awake in his notepad was full of notes and ideas - there was literally no white to be seen on it, so packed was it with thoughts. He put his hand up to answer questions so much (something he'd never once done before in that class he hated) that even the teacher was like 'ok, G, why don't we let someone else try and answer this time' his head aready down scribbling more ideas.

His story is very funny, you think of the Peter Griffin on meth sketch, but so tragic at the same time. They prescribe this to 11 year olds

 

[Enoch]

I was in middle school and HS in the 90's. During the wave of handing out ritalin to kids. Had friends on that stuff. Basically meth. They were 14 and needed to take downers in the evening to combat the side effects. Multiply that by 5-10 years on that stuff during key development years.

No one prescribed it I knew turned out well.

Kids are supposed to explore. To get into trouble. To test their boundaries. While they need to learn right from wrong, part of their growth is imagination, pretending, seeing what physical limits are, which all plays into who they become. Individuality. Personality. Independence.

The meds just numb all of it. Suppress development. Turn kids into zombies.

Children should be exploring the woods, climbing trees, having snowball fights, pretending they're pirates, scraping their knees, getting a bloody nose every now and then. That's life. That's learning. Not being strapped to a desk and suppressed on meds because the teacher didn't like you calling the boy next to you a buttface.

I had adopted siblings who had "ADHD" and they took all that shit including Ritalin and they all turned out messed up. Years of "therapy". I've never told my parents what I think about that, and I never will.

 

[Bird]

Pfizer's former vice president also questions the existence of viruses

Mike Yeadon, a pharmacologist and critic of gene injections against "Covid," has signed an appeal aimed at conclusively clarifying the existence of pathogenic viruses. Scientists have accepted their existence as fact without question, Yeadon said.

http://viroliegy.com/2022/07/15/the-no-virus-challenge/

"After careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that we have fallen for another lie here. Even scientists in commercial drug research have accepted the existence of viruses as fact without ever reading the original papers." (I can read his Telegram post, got his quote from a German media outlet)

 

[doctorweedmd]

The “Virus” of Sin

What constitutes proof for the existence of an entity such as a “virus?” It is safe to say that most would agree that having the particles assumed to be the “virus” taken di…

viroliegy.com

 

[Sisyphus]

From my cursory reading, the explanations:

seasonal allergies= allergies in general are because of "tracks"/associations with something else happening at the same time as something traumatic
boils= skin issues triggered by attack conflict

I don't doubt that there's some association between allergies and psychological triggers as there's abundant evidence for this. But in some cases it seems like a more simple explanation is sufficient.

A few months ago, a tree which is common in my neighborhood was blooming profusely. Some of these trees are ~100 years old and are enormous. They were covered with hundreds of flowers. I expressed symptoms of allergies when the flowers were out - runny/stuffy nose, itchiness, and so on. The flowers were out for a couple of days and then fell and decomposed. When the flowers were gone so were my symptoms.

I don't have any psychological association with this species of tree - where I grew up is outside of its range so there can't possibly be anything related to my childhood. I happen to like these trees a lot; I can't think of anything negative about them, any traumatic events that have happened near them, or anything of the sort.

Is it not likely that the standard explanation for allergies (inappropriate production of anti-bodies or histamine) explains what happened here? Or have I suppressed some event that occurred in the last few years beneath conscious memory and something in fact did happen that had something to do with this species of tree? Or the tree was in the background when some unpleasant interaction happened during a vacation in an area where the tree is native? Why am I only allergic to this tree and not ones that can more likely be tied to unpleasant memories?

What about when infants show an allergic reaction to some medications and not others? Can this not just be a result of biochemical reactions? How could they have any association with a medication, and if the argument is that the malady or the doctor's visit is traumatic, why would only some medications cause a reaction?

I'm all for rethinking accepted paradigms when it comes to health and medicine. We discuss all the time how faulty many of the assumptions of modern medicine are, hence the existence of this thread and its 400 posts. It may even be safe to say that much or most of what people take for granted is grossly misunderstood and should be discarded, but at the same time I think rejecting everything is extreme and a reminder of why dealing in absolutes isn't ideal from an intellectual standpoint.

 

[Jive Turkey]

Good news, last weekend I was hanging out with a buddy who was sick. As someone who is deny-curious I made it a point to share drinks with him, since he is also deny-curious, we decided we could do the scientific method and see if I could make myself "catch" what he had.

After two days of prolonged exposure I presented zero symptoms. So that is another nail in the germ theory coffin for me personally. So far my biggest identifiable triggers of illness have been travel, window unit AC systems, anxiety and switching gears quickly in work/school. IE going balls to the wall with my business and then all of a sudden having nothing to do. My theory is my body uses the slowdown as a time to recalibrate.

 

[Blade Runner]

I still don't understand the general position of the skeptics here. One can hold that viruses theoretically shouldn't easily bounce from healthy people to healthy people, but that just becomes a debate on health in general and the current state of modern people's immune systems. Was Spanish Flu not "contagious"? When I got "sarscov2" (not that I care about it), was it not spread from other human beings, regardless of my partying that probably led to it taking (a greater) hold?

I don't get the degree to which a lot of you all want to go to make things far less clear, rather than more clear. I don't think it helps the position that you hold, at all.

 

[GuitarVH]

Was Spanish Flu not "contagious"?

No it wasn't.

EXPERIMENTS TO DETERMINE MODE OF SPREAD OF INFLUENZA

The experiments here described were performed on an island in Boston Harbor, on volunteers obtained from the Navy. The work was conducted by a group of officers detailed for that purpose, from the U. S. Navy and the U. S. Public Health Service, consisting of Dr. G. W. McCoy, director of the...

jamanetwork.com

Experiments Upon Volunteers to Determine the Cause and Mode of Spread of Influenza, Boston, November and December, 1918

 

[inthefade]

I still don't understand the general position of the skeptics here. One can hold that viruses theoretically shouldn't easily bounce from healthy people to healthy people, but that just becomes a debate on health in general and the current state of modern people's immune systems. Was Spanish Flu not "contagious"? When I got "sarscov2" (not that I care about it), was it not spread from other human beings, regardless of my partying that probably led to it taking (a greater) hold?

I don't get the degree to which a lot of you all want to go to make things far less clear, rather than more clear. I don't think it helps the position that you hold, at all.

What you call a virus doesn't exist as described.

 

[Jive Turkey]

I still don't understand the general position of the skeptics here. One can hold that viruses theoretically shouldn't easily bounce from healthy people to healthy people, but that just becomes a debate on health in general and the current state of modern people's immune systems. Was Spanish Flu not "contagious"? When I got "sarscov2" (not that I care about it), was it not spread from other human beings, regardless of my partying that probably led to it taking (a greater) hold?

I don't get the degree to which a lot of you all want to go to make things far less clear, rather than more clear. I don't think it helps the position that you hold, at all.

This is the best primer imo

 

[The Catalyst]

I still don't understand the general position of the skeptics here. One can hold that viruses theoretically shouldn't easily bounce from healthy people to healthy people, but that just becomes a debate on health in general and the current state of modern people's immune systems. Was Spanish Flu not "contagious"? When I got "sarscov2" (not that I care about it), was it not spread from other human beings, regardless of my partying that probably led to it taking (a greater) hold?

I don't get the degree to which a lot of you all want to go to make things far less clear, rather than more clear. I don't think it helps the position that you hold, at all.

Viruses to my knowledge have not proven to be pathogenic(disease causing). Thus it's fallacious to assume spanish flu/viral infections are "contagious", or assume any knowledge of any kind of spread of viral infections are via viral means. There's also plenty of evidence proving the null hypothesis(that is, that no statistically significant thing happened, that it's by chance), when they tested trying to infect people with viruses. Partying is probably unlikely to lead to it taking hold, unless it makes you less healthy overall.

A likely explanation is viruses are exosomes which cells in a state of disease expel. Cold/flu symptoms are likely healing reactions.

 

[The Catalyst]

I had adopted siblings who had "ADHD" and they took all that shit including Ritalin and they all turned out messed up. Years of "therapy". I've never told my parents what I think about that, and I never will.

For adults, ADHD is simply an inability to focus and concentrate caused by overuse of phones and overconsumption of media which is intentionally designed to eradicate the attention span of its users. We can see how effective this campaign has been. Adults who are told they have "ADHD" simply need to put away the phones and screens and work on techniques that improve concentration. You can transform and improve the function of your mind with dedicated effort instead of relying on pharmaceutical toxins.

Only a very perverse and sick society would endorse the prescribing of Ritalin to kids, it's a class A drug.

My son messed around with drugs as did most of his mates aged 16-18, and told me recently that of everything he tried (including regularly Mdma and once LSD) without doubt the most potent and addictive was Ritalin which he tried once.

He took a tab one luchtime with a friend to see the effects in the afternoon in his lessons (he went by the official blurb about it making you focussed). In one class that he usually had trouble staying awake in his notepad was full of notes and ideas - there was literally no white to be seen on it, so packed was it with thoughts. He put his hand up to answer questions so much (something he'd never once done before in that class he hated) that even the teacher was like 'ok, G, why don't we let someone else try and answer this time' his head aready down scribbling more ideas.

His story is very funny, you think of the Peter Griffin on meth sketch, but so tragic at the same time. They prescribe this to 11 year olds

As a counterpoint, I've never taken psychoactive drugs and basically almost never taken pharma drugs in general. I have adult ADHD that is very crystal clear that it is, fits the symptoms perfectly with the cluster associated with it.

@Sisyphus How would you have techniques which improve concentration?

I think I said something earlier, that overdiagnosing/misdiagnosing a condition is not strong enough evidence of the condition not existing. My pet theory is it's mostly(perhaps entirely) vaccine caused.

I believe brain scans of ADHD people show they are clearly different to non-ADHD people. The fact that schooling is unnatural and toxic is a bit of a tangential fact, because ADHD is still a thing outside of those schools, plus the majority of people would not have major ADHD symptoms even in the schools. Though I agree it's a mistake to label ADHD just because they don't react well to schooling.

 

[Paleblood Knight]

Good news, last weekend I was hanging out with a buddy who was sick. As someone who is deny-curious I made it a point to share drinks with him, since he is also deny-curious, we decided we could do the scientific method and see if I could make myself "catch" what he had.

After two days of prolonged exposure I presented zero symptoms. So that is another nail in the germ theory coffin for me personally. So far my biggest identifiable triggers of illness have been travel, window unit AC systems, anxiety and switching gears quickly in work/school. IE going balls to the wall with my business and then all of a sudden having nothing to do. My theory is my body uses the slowdown as a time to recalibrate.

Your triggers for illness experience reflects mine just this past weekend and now. Been ill with typical "flu" symptoms (and ongoing) - Did a full day travel to see my family for the week, stress with work before then with house DIY/tidy and finally shutting down to relax etc. This is the first "cold/flu" in nearly 3 years.

I might add drastic weather changes could be a factor in possible illness, it requires the body to adapt and could overwhelm if not ready.

 

[Sisyphus]

@Sisyphus How would you have techniques which improve concentration?

First, I would direct you to the concept of "metacognition" which is of prime importance in modern pedagogy. The idea is thinking about your thinking and concentration as you work on a task. Think about times when you've been reading and you get to the end of a sentence and you have no idea what you just read. You read the sentence again and the same thing happens. If you're monitoring your concentration you can recognize that your concentration is wavering and you need to snap yourself back to attention. There are massive amounts of resources on this concept.

I find listening to certain types of music as a great way to monitor my concentration. If you don't object to secular music, jazz is a great option. Listening to a master pianist like Bill Evans demands sharp concentration as a pianist can play multiple parts simultaneously and trying to follow all of it is a challenge. Any of his solo or trio work is appropriate. Small combo jazz can be a useful for this purpose too as you can listen to a song multiple times, each time focusing only on one instrument and then listen to the ensemble as a whole. Red Norvo trio is a good option for this - I would also direct you to Maiden Voyage by Herbie Hancock and similar artists. This is what's commonly referred to as modal jazz where the structure and chord changes are relatively simple and the focus is more on individual performance and interaction between the musicians. Of course, finding performers and composers that resonate with you will give you the best opportunity for success.

Of course, chamber and orchestral music of various eras is appropriate for this task too; baroque music is probably easier to begin with as the structure, harmony, and rhythm are usually more standard and predictable. J.S. Bach was religious - he worked in the church for almost all of his professional career, although be advised that he was Lutheran if this is a problem for you. Nonetheless, his two and three part inventions and sinfonias require sustained concentration to appreciate properly, the fugues which contain 4 or more independent parts present a higher level of challenge. Bach also produced vast amounts of religious music meant to be performed during Mass including keyboard music, oratorios, and several complete Masses.

Finally, and perhaps more controversially, there are any number of other methods in which the practitioner focuses on certain objects of concentration like the breath. There is plenty of charged discussion on this board regarding the compatibility of practices like this with Christianity so I won't advise you one way or the other on this matter, however I would suggest you consult with your spiritual adviser and the published official stances of the leaders of your denomination to determine if practices of this nature would be appropriate. They might also have guidance on the topic of concentration in general - undoubtedly, men who have reached their positions have demonstrated an ability to sustain their focus and concentration so you may stand to benefit from their wisdom and experience.