War with Russia over Ukraine?

[Trewolla]

It seems as if it's a legitimate possibility. I'd like to hear people's opinion on what the outcome would be if it does indeed occur?

My opinion, America can't defeat Russia in a war on their doorstep with conventional means. I'm concerned about what the American government's response would be after Russia chases them out of Ukraine.

 

[DeusLuxMeaEst]

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[Trewolla]

Sorry. Didn't see it. I'll enjoy reading the responses in the other thread.

Thanks.

 

[Biscuits_Gravy]

It seems as if it's a legitimate possibility. I'd like to hear people's opinion on what the outcome would be if it does indeed occur?

My opinion, America can't defeat Russia in a war on their doorstep with conventional means. I'm concerned about what the American government's response would be after Russia chases them out of Ukraine.

I’ve posted in several threads on this subject but not a lot of folks seemed interested in discussing.

I’ve been pretty hyped on this subject over the last year of escalation in this region, but lately I’m starting to think the whole thing is a distraction or a big Nothing Burger.

From a military standpoint, I agree with you it’s Russia’s backyard, and one can assume that the bulk of Russian military assets are concentrated in this area as they have been for decades if not centuries given Moscow’s close proximity to foreign invaders.

That said, we are right back to the Cold War of Nukes vs nukes. Plus, at this point, what does Russia have to gain from conquering/invading the Ukraine? What’s the long term goal, I’m genuinely curious? Then, if they do, they will be cut off from international banking (SWIFT) and the money flow stops.

I’ve previously been viewing Russia and China tensions and potential conflicts through a Nationalist lease given my background studying WW2 but I think even that gives too much Credit to The leaders of those countries.

I feel like it’s all about following the money now. Why would Russia invade Ukraine if it’s going to hurt their wallet?? I know it sounds cynical but amidst the confusing times, I feel like I’ve got to simplify my lense of analysis. It’s been all playground talk between these folks for so long.

 

[eradicator]

I’ve posted in several threads on this subject but not a lot of folks seemed interested in discussing.

I’ve been pretty hyped on this subject over the last year of escalation in this region, but lately I’m starting to think the whole thing is a distraction or a big Nothing Burger.

From a military standpoint, I agree with you it’s Russia’s backyard, and one can assume that the bulk of Russian military assets are concentrated in this area as they have been for decades if not centuries given Moscow’s close proximity to foreign invaders.

That said, we are right back to the Cold War of Nukes vs nukes. Plus, at this point, what does Russia have to gain from conquering/invading the Ukraine? What’s the long term goal, I’m genuinely curious? Then, if they do, they will be cut off from international banking (SWIFT) and the money flow stops.

I’ve previously been viewing Russia and China tensions and potential conflicts through a Nationalist lease given my background studying WW2 but I think even that gives too much Credit to The leaders of those countries.

I feel like it’s all about following the money now. Why would Russia invade Ukraine if it’s going to hurt their wallet?? I know it sounds cynical but amidst the confusing times, I feel like I’ve got to simplify my lense of analysis. It’s been all playground talk between these folks for so long.

The question for us, if Russia invades Ukraine why are we getting involved and threatening to send troops and launch nukes!?

 

[Don Quixote]

Interesting timing that the USA would push to engage in war with Russia which will almost undoubtedly cease oil to Europe completely shutting off their electricity (dark winter). Right as Europe is having uprisings and protests over vaccine mandates too. I wonder if that is coincidence?

One lunatic Senator from Mississippi said first strike nuclear is "not off the table," which is the kind of b.s. that starts wars to begin with and completely contravenes the Geneva convention (June 2021) understanding that nuclear war is off the table. But Putin understands that he is dealing not with the President but with a deep state behind the President which keeps nuclear war as an option. And since Biden is just a mere puppet, this is serious stuff.

I believe NATO and Putin meet tomorrow so it is something to keep a close eye on. I am considering bugging out of the country soon if these lunatics keep up their insane antics.

 

[Pigeon Bear]

Like a war with China, a war with Russia is simply not going to happen. Unless of course, those pulling the strings behind the scenes would like to see the US reduced to a shadow of its current self (which is already a tremendously weaker than it was only decades ago).

 

[Sargon2112]

We (the US) would get our collective rear ends handed to us in such a conflict. However, the current regime in DC is rather bent on running the US further into the ground, so do not be surprised if it happens.

Might be a big distraction, might not. Time will tell, as it always does.

 

[Foolsgo1d]

Its more or less to do with the Great Reset.

Energy prices have gone skywards in the EU and UK. Germany seems to be committing suicide by turning off nuclear reactors and relying on green tech.

Nordstream 2 is what Russia and EU needs but for different reasons. Russia wants Euros and the EU wants gas. Russia doesn't need it to survive cold winters however. Being cut off from SWIFT is a big happening.

Gas price hikes in Europe means LNG on ships from the Americas can be shipped here as it is now economically viable. This pleases the USA as it requires UK and EU to rely more on their geopolitical ally rather than economic sense. The USA can now strong-arm people to accept worse terms in any trade agreement, including Germany who wants a good relationship with Russia.

Telling Russia to accept a NATO and US presence in their back yard when the USA almost started ww3 back in the 60s over the same thing is something a lot of people are missing. How is it acceptable for the Anglo's to creep forward towards Russia and not a single raised eyebrow is made over why?

They are endangering millions of people to first and second strikes. Swedes and Finns are USAF targets if things go badly. If they are made NATO allies they would be considered nuclear opponents subject to nuclear strikes on their cities correct? So it isn't a matter of bombing airfields to deny Russia, it will be straight up city bombing.

Surely any sane Nordic citizen would not want such reprisals with their neighbour?

The Ukies do not want to fight Russia. Do Americans want to kill Canadians?

The Jews in power over there - put in place by the USA btw, will love to see slavs murder each other in their millions as they did with Anglo whites in the 20th century.

Whether it goes hot I doubt it. The USA and UK have already committed to singling Russia out via other means. Its just going to be another failed state with lots of dead innocents and a big problem for Russia on its border.

 

[paulyoon]

I hope all will be ok! The United States and its European allies have stepped up the rhetoric over Ukraine, as the Russian military has launched a major cyberattack against the country. While the European Union and NATO have already threatened dramatic costs on Moscow, the current situation is not favorable for negotiations. The EU and NATO may use this opportunity to lay the foundation for deployment limitations. This would benefit everyone, but further escalation would only strengthen Russia's hand and lead to war.

 

[Padouk]

I find the responses here far more on the dot than the original Ukraine thread.

There will be no war against Russia. No party will gain anything from it but they stand to gain a lot of support for increased military budgets if they keep the hype up and it gives even more revenue and power to the media as people need another distraction after covid.

Nukes are another one of those invisible threats that they use to harvest fear. In fact, this is what this crisis and covid, and all previous ones like 9/11 are all about - fear harvesting and making few buck along the way.

 

[Hypno]

There will be a war.

The Ukrainian crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s about Germany and, in particular, a pipeline that connects Germany to Russia called Nord Stream 2. Washington sees the pipeline as a threat to its primacy in Europe and has tried to sabotage the project at every turn. Even so, Nord Stream has pushed ahead and is now fully-operational and ready-to-go. Once German regulators provide the final certification, the gas deliveries will begin. German homeowners and businesses will have a reliable source of clean and inexpensive energy while Russia will see a significant boost to their gas revenues. It’s a win-win situation for both parties.

The US Foreign Policy establishment is not happy about these developments. They don’t want Germany to become more dependent on Russian gas because commerce builds trust and trust leads to the expansion of trade. As relations grow warmer, more trade barriers are lifted, regulations are eased, travel and tourism increase, and a new security architecture evolves. In a world where Germany and Russia are friends and trading partners, there is no need for US military bases, no need for expensive US-made weapons and missile systems, and no need for NATO. There’s also no need to transact energy deals in US Dollars or to stockpile US Treasuries to balance accounts. Transactions between business partners can be conducted in their own currencies which is bound to precipitate a sharp decline in the value of the dollar and a dramatic shift in economic power. This is why the Biden administration opposes Nord Stream. It’s not just a pipeline, it’s a window into the future; a future in which Europe and Asia are drawn closer together into a massive free trade zone that increases their mutual power and prosperity while leaving the US on the outside looking in. Warmer relations between Germany and Russia signal an end to the “unipolar” world order the US has overseen for the last 75 years. A German-Russo alliance threatens to hasten the decline of the Superpower that is presently inching closer to the abyss. This is why Washington is determined to do everything it can to sabotage Nord Stream and keep Germany within its orbit. It’s a matter of survival.

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