Was Jesus a Greek? Archeological evidence of British Israelism

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The British Israel material is pretty good, it has a good method for interpreting Bible prophecy, etc. Up until 1948, British Israel was focused on lifestyle, how people could live better. Very compatible with neo-masculinity. Then the state of Israel was founded, and the British Royals pulled the plug on it, defunded it, and took away its institutions. Once that happened, it was quickly coopted by the Ordo Templi Orientis, who mixed it up with tax protester garbage, some Talmudic stuff, and created Christian Identity. The OTO was rather the opposite of a Christian organization. This was the same time Scientology was getting off the ground, Jack Parson's was doing his wierd occult stuff, etc. Same wellspring.

There is one main flaw with British Israel. It is very good at tracking the migrations of Israel up to the area around Ukraine, up to 1200 years ago. Then it suddenly loses track. All British Israel material linking Israel to the European nations from that date forward, is extremely hand-wavy and speculative.

Now, the date and location where the trail goes cold is very interesting. Why? Because it is the same date and location where the story of the Khazars converting to Judaism comes from. New genealogy tests show that Ashkenazi and other Jews are more closely related to each other than to any other race. If the Khazar/Ashkenazi are actually the 10 lost tribes, (although they insist they were never lost) then the mystery is solved.

There are some extremely good reason why British people would mistake themselves for Israelites, but that is a topic for another post.
 
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The British Israel material is pretty good, it has a good method for interpreting Bible prophecy, etc. Up until 1948, British Israel was focused on lifestyle, how people could live better. Very compatible with neo-masculinity. Then the state of Israel was founded, and the British Royals pulled the plug on it, defunded it, and took away its institutions. Once that happened, it was quickly coopted by the Ordo Templi Orientis, who mixed it up with tax protester garbage, some Talmudic stuff, and created Christian Identity. The OTO was rather the opposite of a Christian organization. This was the same time Scientology was getting off the ground, Jack Parson's was doing his wierd occult stuff, etc. Same wellspring.

There is one main flaw with British Israel. It is very good at tracking the migrations of Israel up to the area around Ukraine, up to 1200 years ago. Then it suddenly loses track. All British Israel material linking Israel to the European nations from that date forward, is extremely hand-wavy and speculative.

Now, the date and location where the trail goes cold is very interesting. Why? Because it is the same date and location where the story of the Khazars converting to Judaism comes from. New genealogy tests show that Ashkenazi and other Jews are more closely related to each other than to any other race. If the Khazar/Ashkenazi are actually the 10 lost tribes, (although they insist they were never lost) then the mystery is solved.

There are some extremely good reason why British people would mistake themselves for Israelites, but that is a topic for another post.
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Interesting, could you share some of this "tracing" from British Israelism.

As for the Azkenazi, their genetic affinity with other semittes is a question of interpretation, they are certainly closer to them than the average European, but they are also very close to Azeri, Tatar and other Turkic tribes in the Caucasus.
 
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I agree that DNA testing is highly suspect. Every major DNA testing outfit is owned or controlled by Jews. So, is it possible that the DNA results are being fudged to go with whatever narrative they want to project? I think so. However, the modern DNA tests show Ashkenazi and Sephardi are genetically closer to each other than any other race. Even if that is just a narrative, it does fit the Khazar story, combined with the tracing work that the British Israelites did. If the Khazars were already Israel, the "conversion" would have just been a re-education and re-awakening to their ethnic origins.

British Israelism tracing... One of the better books is by E Raymond Capt, Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets. The other one is Stephen M Collins, The “Lost” Ten Tribes of Israel…Found!
 
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What would anyone's recommendation be for genetic testing for ancestry. Before my parents die I almost wanted them to check it out so I could see and not lose my privacy (theoretically).
 
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What would anyone's recommendation be for genetic testing for ancestry. Before my parents die I almost wanted them to check it out so I could see and not lose my privacy (theoretically).
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I used genebase
 
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What would anyone's recommendation be for genetic testing for ancestry. Before my parents die I almost wanted them to check it out so I could see and not lose my privacy (theoretically).
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FamilyTreeDNA and 23AndMe are both fairly cheap and available. You can do both and cross-compare the results.
 
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Not paranoid, but do you think the genetic information vis a vis privacy or medical issues moving head is something to consider at all? It won't matter for them, but possibly as a deduction later on for me, if relevant (likely not).

I realize that if someone really wants to get your DNA it is not hard, but there is a difference between offering it up with perfect, scientific matching and correlation with identity, stored in a particular place as opposed to detective work, hair or swab PCR'd on the sly
 
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Frankly it does not matter much whether Jesus was an Ashkenazi Jew of Greek heritage.

He started out a Jew and ended up becoming something different. Either way - he certainly was a very impressive fellow having been able to collect a massive following just due to his presence and words uttered. Mohammed without his sword only got 150 followers (mostly family and friends - and mostly also due to his relative wealth). Jesus got thousands of followers without using the sword to convert people. His message was clearly superior to most other religions available back then.
 
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Frankly it does not matter much whether Jesus was an Ashkenazi Jew of Greek heritage.

He started out a Jew and ended up becoming something different. Either way - he certainly was a very impressive fellow having been able to collect a massive following just due to his presence and words uttered. Mohammed without his sword only got 150 followers (mostly family and friends - and mostly also due to his relative wealth). Jesus got thousands of followers without using the sword to convert people. His message was clearly superior to most other religions available back then.
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Weren't Jews of the Levant rather than semitic (arab) origin always the rebels though? Sephardim and Mizrahis also tend to have a lower ethnic IQ, and Ashkenazi Jews are dying out. Hypothetically even without Hitler, in western Europe they would have eventually married out anyways.

Genes matter if they play into ones thought patterns and processes. Taleb has long complained in his writings and speeches how the whole ''arab Chrisitian'' thing is anything but.
 
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^ One has to look at a lot of the content of texts as "needs of the COMMUNICATION MEDIUM and author at THAT TIME" .. They did not have InfoGraphics and Wikis & HyperLinks.. so they have to create "structure" around "information" such that "the masses" (not highly educated or intellectual) could garner something from the content.. Hence, throughout all traditions, the information/ knowledge was passed on in a STORY format..

So, some things can be take literally, while others may be "metaphors" used to describe something without "video" and rich communication medium. Hence, interpretation, understanding and relevance to CURRENT LIFE scenarios and usage is not always straightforward.
 
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