We waz Vikangz: The Myth that won't die

Mage

 
Suits said:
Mage said:
We know what you want to say - "The white people have no culture and history of themselves to be proud of. Only the Jewish faith of Christianity brought civilization and decency to the white savages. Therefore it is right that the colorful vibrant people with rich culture and history take over Europe and bring in more color and diversity"

Please kindly fuck off.

In the same way that OP's decision to start this thread suggests that he has ulterior motives, this reaction of yours tells me that you have beliefs that you'd rather not speak plainly about, but you are fearful of any facts that may undermine your beliefs, (even if those facts happen to be true).

I suspect that the fear that you have may be generated by the knowledge that there are others that would like to twist facts (even true ones) to fit their own agenda.

What concerns me, is that based on posts like the one above, I'm far from convinced that you wouldn't do the same (twist facts to fit your agenda) if it served a purpose that you believed to be good.

My reason for having these thoughts is that fact that you seem to prefer that this discussion not take place at all, rather than that the discussion take place and the true facts become clear.

To me RVF has always been a great resource for men who seek better understanding and knowledge, because the discussion here allow the truth to become clear, as different members contribute from their experience and learning.

If you disagree with the fundamental facts on which the articles that OP posted are based, why not challenge those rather than attack the right of OP to start the conversation in the first place?

It's not like OP is some newbie without a solid rep count and who has failed to establish himself by meeting other members.

Don't bite me man.

We all share access to the same internet. We all can find both leftist views and traditionalist views about vikings or anything else.

The fact that OP has cherry picked examples supporting his views while ignoring contrarian views tells everything.

My response on the contrary indicates that I am familiar with both sides of argument and can tell to which side each argument leads.

Don''t tell me you can't find arguments contradicting OP's arguments on your own. You know how to use search engines. If you want me to regurgitate that information for you means that you are either very lazy or you just want to bite me.
 
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Mage

 
Nowak said:
The point of this thread is to kill the myth that the alt right and some in the manosphere believe that the vikings were something close to Godly, they were no better or no worse than others in Europe. They were certainly much more egalitarian culturally.

Sure thing Vikings were no better or no worse then others in Europe. They were just about as awesome as Romans. Just about as awesome as Gauls. Just about as awesome Celts. Lot's of awesome cultures coming from Europe. None of them were really egalitarian if by egalitarianism you mean approximation of modern feminism.

The feminists have a bad record of proclaiming other species or ancient cultures as feminist only to get badly refuted. Sadly many people don't hear the refutation and keep repeating the original feminist assertion. This has happened with Bonobo's, with Nepalese, with ancient Minoans, with various indigenous cultures. And now it's vikings turn.

Just look it up, yourselves. I am not doing work link searching work for anybody else. The internet and this forum also if full of refutations about various ancient cultures being egalitarian and feminist. I am not going to beat a dead horse, look it up yourselves, it's been done plenty of times.
 
Nowak said:
Hannibal said:
The one article about "Allah" written into some clothes that were found at a Viking burial sounds like bullshit to me. The article states that "Allah" and "Ali" can be read from the clothes if you read their reflection from a mirror. What is it, the fucking Davinci code?

Here's the inscription
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Here's the ring they found a couple years back

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and this is the pattern they're claiming to also see "For Allah" in

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Draw your own conclusion. The ring is obviously an inscription, but the pattern in the clothes I just do not see.

Were Viking and Muslim cultures in contact? Arguably, but it's not like the Norse were praying to Mecca five times a day. The Moors showed up in Spain in the 700's and the Vikings attacked about a century later, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that some ideas were borrowed. The Vikings were not terribly successful in Spain, nor did they spend a lot of time there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_raid_on_Seville

Given that all we know about Viking paganism was written by Snorri Sturluson centuries after that event, it's possible that ideas were taken from Islam.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.

The point of this thread is to kill the myth that the alt right and some in the manosphere believe that the vikings were something close to Godly, they were no better or no worse than others in Europe. They were certainly much more egalitarian culturally.

Agree 100%. Having spent considerable time in very cold climates, and from spending time throughout Scandinavia, it seems like the Vikings merely behaved the way they did as way to survive the harsh environment with very limited resources.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Nowak said:
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The point of this thread is to kill the myth that the alt right and some in the manosphere believe that the vikings were something close to Godly, they were no better or no worse than others in Europe. They were certainly much more egalitarian culturally.

Finally!

This forum has become absolutely swamped with viking-worship threads. /Pol and ROK, too.

Open up the -new posts- link and click on a random thread. Guaran-fucking-teed it will be some shit about how vikings built the god damned pyramids and invented fucking shampoo.

It's about time someone tackled this issue. It's getting way the fuck out of hand.
 

Mage

 
Hannibal said:
The one article about "Allah" written into some clothes that were found at a Viking burial sounds like bullshit to me. The article states that "Allah" and "Ali" can be read from the clothes if you read their reflection from a mirror. What is it, the fucking Davinci code?

Here's the inscription
ring-1.JPG


Here's the ring they found a couple years back

ninth-century-ring.jpg


and this is the pattern they're claiming to also see "For Allah" in

Textiles-when-examined.jpg


Draw your own conclusion. The ring is obviously an inscription, but the pattern in the clothes I just do not see.

Were Viking and Muslim cultures in contact? Arguably, but it's not like the Norse were praying to Mecca five times a day. The Moors showed up in Spain in the 700's and the Vikings attacked about a century later, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that some ideas were borrowed. The Vikings were not terribly successful in Spain, nor did they spend a lot of time there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_raid_on_Seville

Given that all we know about Viking paganism was written by Snorri Sturluson centuries after that event, it's possible that ideas were taken from Islam.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.

Muslims are notorious for trying to find the name of Allah everywhere. It''s their tactic of "producing miracles" as evidence for their religion.

Look the gallery in this album. You will see that some Muslims spend a lot of time to search for patterns similar to Arabic way of writing Allah in plants, rocks, mountainsides, surfaces of earth and other planets, human organs, animal skins and pretty much everywhere.

http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/islam/images/6370822/title/allahs-name-nature-photo

If you are a smart person you understand that you can find any pattern, anywhere if you search long enough. If you have paranoia you will see patterns anywhere.
 
Mage said:
Hannibal said:
The one article about "Allah" written into some clothes that were found at a Viking burial sounds like bullshit to me. The article states that "Allah" and "Ali" can be read from the clothes if you read their reflection from a mirror. What is it, the fucking Davinci code?

Here's the inscription
ring-1.JPG


Here's the ring they found a couple years back

ninth-century-ring.jpg


and this is the pattern they're claiming to also see "For Allah" in

Textiles-when-examined.jpg


Draw your own conclusion. The ring is obviously an inscription, but the pattern in the clothes I just do not see.

Were Viking and Muslim cultures in contact? Arguably, but it's not like the Norse were praying to Mecca five times a day. The Moors showed up in Spain in the 700's and the Vikings attacked about a century later, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that some ideas were borrowed. The Vikings were not terribly successful in Spain, nor did they spend a lot of time there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_raid_on_Seville

Given that all we know about Viking paganism was written by Snorri Sturluson centuries after that event, it's possible that ideas were taken from Islam.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.

Muslims are notorious for trying to find the name of Allah everywhere. It''s their tactic of "producing miracles" as evidence for their religion.

Look the gallery in this album. You will see that some Muslims spend a lot of time to search for patterns similar to Arabic way of writing Allah in plants, rocks, human organs on animal skins and pretty much everywhere.

http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/islam/images/6370822/title/allahs-name-nature-photo

People from most religions try to find meaning and evidence for their beliefs in their experiences or in the physical environment.
 

cascadecombo

Ostrich
Mage said:
My response on the contrary indicates that I am familiar with both sides of argument and can tell to which side each argument leads.


No it doesn't, it sounded angry and bitter and showed an unwillingness for a discussion. Meanwhile op put points down and provided evidence. Unlike your low energy response.
 

cascadecombo

Ostrich
spydersuit said:
Mage said:
Hannibal said:
The one article about "Allah" written into some clothes that were found at a Viking burial sounds like bullshit to me. The article states that "Allah" and "Ali" can be read from the clothes if you read their reflection from a mirror. What is it, the fucking Davinci code?

Here's the inscription
ring-1.JPG


Here's the ring they found a couple years back

ninth-century-ring.jpg


and this is the pattern they're claiming to also see "For Allah" in

Textiles-when-examined.jpg


Draw your own conclusion. The ring is obviously an inscription, but the pattern in the clothes I just do not see.

Were Viking and Muslim cultures in contact? Arguably, but it's not like the Norse were praying to Mecca five times a day. The Moors showed up in Spain in the 700's and the Vikings attacked about a century later, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that some ideas were borrowed. The Vikings were not terribly successful in Spain, nor did they spend a lot of time there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_raid_on_Seville

Given that all we know about Viking paganism was written by Snorri Sturluson centuries after that event, it's possible that ideas were taken from Islam.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.

Muslims are notorious for trying to find the name of Allah everywhere. It''s their tactic of "producing miracles" as evidence for their religion.

Look the gallery in this album. You will see that some Muslims spend a lot of time to search for patterns similar to Arabic way of writing Allah in plants, rocks, human organs on animal skins and pretty much everywhere.

http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/islam/images/6370822/title/allahs-name-nature-photo

People from most religions try to find meaning and evidence for their beliefs in their experiences or in the physical environment.

Arabs can literally take a scribble and find words in it.

They only recently started using the dots in order to better distinguish just what the words actually are. Not to mention it's only a recent phenomenon that a number can read, before it'd be a single guy in a village reading for people, and even then he'd make shit up half the time.

The original image at best looks like a rough interpretation of a cursive variant.
 
OP is definitely not a troll - I'd say he just has a keen sense of humor on a Sunday morning or afternoon.

He did, however, neglect the part of Tacitus' work where he describes how cheating/adulterous Germanic sluts are shamed or banished.

In fact, Tacitus compares the Germanics to the Sitones (also Germanic by modern standards, but Tacitus doesn't realize this), saying the Sitones are, in contrast to the "Germans", ruled by women. The Sitones comment is clearly a flight of fancy, given that the Romans really had no idea what happened past the Germania frontier.

All that guest contributor for ROK says is that, based on Tacitus, Germanic women would give speeches urging their men not to let them (the women) be captured. The men did the actual fighting 99% of the time. No different from women getting involved verbally when men had duels until the early 20th century.

Any cursory reading of someone like Plutarch (or Tacitus) reveals that Republican and Early Imperial Romans were greeted by Germanic or non-Germanic invaders who often migrated with women and children, but maintained traditional gender roles, especially martially.
 

Hannibal

Ostrich
Gold Member
Nowak said:
The point of this thread is to kill the myth that the alt right and some in the manosphere believe that the vikings were something close to Godly, they were no better or no worse than others in Europe. They were certainly much more egalitarian culturally.

What we know of the Vikings as cultural egalitarians is generally just guesswork and it's guesswork done by the kinds of people who go into soft sciences like archaeology; midwit level retards who can secure student loans. Read about any old culture and take a shot every time they write "religious ritual" and you'll be fucking dead after a couple paragraphs.

These are the same kinds of people who deduced that European women from the Bronze age were "key to exploration" based on the fact that her skeletal remains were found 300 miles from her birth place. :tard:

http://www.iflscience.com/editors-b...hanging-cultural-ideas-as-men-stayed-at-home/

The fact that an American history class 30 years ago sounds so much different than one taken today tells me that historians, archaeologists, and all people involved with recording how people lived their lives have an axe to grind and an agenda to push.

So color me skeptical when it comes to any historical claims on gender roles or cultural phenomenon or what-have-you on cultures that didn't write shit down, especially ones that have been dead for so long they can't argue.
 
cascadecombo said:
spydersuit said:
Mage said:
Hannibal said:
The one article about "Allah" written into some clothes that were found at a Viking burial sounds like bullshit to me. The article states that "Allah" and "Ali" can be read from the clothes if you read their reflection from a mirror. What is it, the fucking Davinci code?

Here's the inscription
ring-1.JPG


Here's the ring they found a couple years back

ninth-century-ring.jpg


and this is the pattern they're claiming to also see "For Allah" in

Textiles-when-examined.jpg


Draw your own conclusion. The ring is obviously an inscription, but the pattern in the clothes I just do not see.

Were Viking and Muslim cultures in contact? Arguably, but it's not like the Norse were praying to Mecca five times a day. The Moors showed up in Spain in the 700's and the Vikings attacked about a century later, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that some ideas were borrowed. The Vikings were not terribly successful in Spain, nor did they spend a lot of time there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_raid_on_Seville

Given that all we know about Viking paganism was written by Snorri Sturluson centuries after that event, it's possible that ideas were taken from Islam.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.

Muslims are notorious for trying to find the name of Allah everywhere. It''s their tactic of "producing miracles" as evidence for their religion.

Look the gallery in this album. You will see that some Muslims spend a lot of time to search for patterns similar to Arabic way of writing Allah in plants, rocks, human organs on animal skins and pretty much everywhere.

http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/islam/images/6370822/title/allahs-name-nature-photo

People from most religions try to find meaning and evidence for their beliefs in their experiences or in the physical environment.

Arabs can literally take a scribble and find words in it.

They only recently started using the dots in order to better distinguish just what the words actually are. Not to mention it's only a recent phenomenon that a number can read, before it'd be a single guy in a village reading for people, and even then he'd make shit up half the time.

The original image at best looks like a rough interpretation of a cursive variant.

So what is your point in relationship to my statement?
 

Mage

 
cascadecombo said:
Mage said:
My response on the contrary indicates that I am familiar with both sides of argument and can tell to which side each argument leads.


No it doesn't, it sounded angry and bitter and showed an unwillingness for a discussion. Meanwhile op put points down and provided evidence. Unlike your low energy response.

Ok, I understand you are not the type of audience who needs truth or irony. You need warm emotions and smiles and high energy to feel good about the message.

My bad, I forgot to game you. Indeed I should have known better, the game never stops. I promise I will try to be more positive and more feelings oriented with you in future.

Here, I give you this box of chocolate my friend :gift2:. may you only encounter good posts on internet, sweet like this chocolate.

:grouphug:
 

Hannibal

Ostrich
Gold Member
spydersuit said:
People from most religions try to find meaning and evidence for their beliefs in their experiences or in the physical environment.

I've never had a Christian guy try to convert me by saying that God wrote "Jesus is Lord" in the seashells on the shore or that the science in the Bible was not only sound, but hundreds/thousands of years ahead of its time.

I have, however, ran into several members of another faith who try to convince me with either argument.
 
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