Were you more left wing when you were younger?

[Hannibal]

I always knew something was not quite right, but I could never put my finger on it until visiting this forum and learning about the Red Pill, game, traditional values, fighting against cultural degenerates, the list goes on.

So naturally I was a bit more left wing when I was younger, but I never understood why shit like faggotry and fatties should get celebrated because where you put your dick or how much corn syrup you consume on a daily basis is not what I would call a "world worthy showcase-able achievement".

 

[The Beast1]

I barely recognise the man I was ten years ago. My ideas on culture, nationalism, feminism, equality and so many other issues have completely changed. The man I am now would have hated the man I have become.

Some of my ideas have gradually evolved over time, and I expect them to continue evolving. Some have changed instantly as a result of my experiences, where things I was supposed to believe and was taught to believe simply didn't make any sense.

We sound like the exact same person. I can think back to those days and remember what I did but I can't relate to that way of thinking at all. Some of it seems so stupid, petty, and short-sighted.

At one time, I identified as far left. I knew every left talking point. However, the only thing I disagreed on was gun control. For whatever reason, I always identified with the right of gun ownership and what it meant. Once I started pulling on that small thread, my entire liberal world view started to fall apart.

This progressed faster as I entered college and began to see that people didn't share my belief in self-improvement and equality for all. Instead, they used liberalism as an excuse for their own short-comings and as a way to attack people they either didn't agree with or were threatened by.

I began to openly detest the type of ivory tower liberals that live in most American college towns. The pleasant part is, I've never run into trigglypuffs in the real world. They only seem to populate colleges. I'm thankful for that.

 

[doc holliday]

As far as I can remember my politics have always been to the right, even when I was in college a long time ago. My guess is that we're at peak leftism right now and the pendulum is beginning to swing back as people start realizing that the current situation is untenable. Hence the energy around Trump. I can say with pride that only time I was ever on the left wing is when I played hockey.

 

[Rigsby]

It's not just the education system. It's the art world. The music world.

It is just the education system, artists are mostly whores that follow whatever is trending in their time. Education system breeds tumor infected leftists so the artist has to make bank. Remember to be a good artist your narcissist levels have to break the ceiling. Once you understand that embracing the crazies seems natural for them. Once our counter culture really takes off, you will see artists pretending to be all non-pc to get attention. Some of them already have.

Well, we obviously disagree a little bit on this, but I get your point.

In fact, I was really thinking quite deeply about this the other day - about artists and musicians and actors being whores. We know that politicians are for the most part, but the so called creative types that like to think they are better than the politicos are none better really.

Even writers that write the scripts for the actors are whores. In fact, they might be the biggest whores of all.

But yes, you are right, they would turn coat and jump on whatever bandwagon they thought would not just get them ahead, but keep them from abject poverty. The system is geared that way so 'artists' do not have independence.

Writers are pretty low down the food chain with regards to hierarchy in the film/tv world. You can see how they are given a brief and they obey. For example, a program recently on UK tv (don't have a tv or watch it myself) showed a high powered police man get done for historic child sex abuse. You what? That never happens in real life. It won't ever happen.

The police (as much as I respect them) are above the law. The writers made some kind of cock and bull story line where this senior officer was brought to book. Total fantasy land. We get to play out our frustrations and get justice by staring at a screen. The writers make this absurdity happen. Whores to a man. And as for the actors...

It's pretty much impossible to play in the art/music/drama world these days. Maybe it always was filled with whores. But it doesn't need to be that way. Whores abound and rule the day now. Producers, writers, directors, actors, musicians. It's called the entertainment industry.

That much we do agree on. Whores are gonna whore. To the left, to the right. Just as long as they keep signalling that virtue (party line), they stand a chance of getting a bit of work. Makes you wonder why anyone goes into that field really.

These days, all the top actors (the ones getting work anyway) have been educated in our top private/public schools, and would have just easily became Chancellor or Prime Minister, such are their connections.

And the most obscene part? They double down like Tom Hiddleston and signal their virtue in a very loud manner via newspaper PR articles about how today's acting world IS very upper class oriented, and that this IS wrong, and that it DOES need to change. Drowning in irony. Well us, not them obviously. At least they say it with a straight face. Maybe they are just good actors. But somehow, I don't believe they really mean the things they say - they are told to say them. Maybe they are just useful idiots. Funny how we don't have a single actor at least positing the proposition that immigration might, just might, be a tad overzealous.

The way it works is this: They come from a very wealthy family that can afford to send them to a 50,000 Dollar per year school. Here they make connections with the future movers and shakers of the planet. They are given an agenda. They are actors. This is what they do. They 'act' out this agenda. The acting is not what you see on screen, it is the persona and real life virtue they possess that is important here. And how they signal it, oh so sincerely.

The media world has cancer. It is metastasizing. The patient is all but dead. But it's taking a while. Everyone just wishes that they would just hurry up and get on with it. Nothing good comes of this now.

We hope for a better day.

(Excuse me for going a bit OT again, but I thought it pertinent to the argument, at least as far as how lefties are bred)

Those actors spouting the lefty line, I think you will find, come from rather more right-wing families going back generations. So they are obviously going against much more deeply held principles. Whores they are. Not for money, but for power.

 

[Rigsby]

As far as I can remember my politics have always been to the right, even when I was in college a long time ago. My guess is that we're at peak leftism right now and the pendulum is beginning to swing back as people start realizing that the current situation is untenable. Hence the energy around Trump. I can say with pride that only time I was ever on the left wing is when I played hockey.

This whole left thing has taken a while to come about. It's been a real creeper. But "BAM", here we are.

It's very unstable as a system because of how the elites have rolled this out. The left has always been there, but even they are being promoted by the right now. Even the Tories are left-wing! Then again, after the last right-wing labour government under Tony Blair, it kind of makes sense.

Hence my suspicion of the veracity of the whole left/right argument these days.

I don't think it will be a pendulum swing back to the Right though. It will be a snap-back - a sudden violent reaction - and there we'll all be like our grandfathers - getting ready for another world war. I may be very wrong about that.

Everything just feels so contrived these days. I can't help but feel that we are all being fattened up for the kill, somehow.

 

[The Black Knight]

I've been a political junkie ever since W stole the 2000 election from Al Gore (a belief I still maintain). I strongly identified as a liberal/Democrat during high school so much that it basically WAS my identity. I even had a small website on Angelfire devoted to supporting Democrats.

Of course, that was back in the early 2000s when the Democratic party actually stood for the common man, for the blue-collar workers like my father whose jobs have been heavily affected by shitty trade deals. Liberals used to be people like Jim Webb, JFK, or Howard Dean (who was my first-ever vote for president), candidates with populist messages who supported the hard-working middle class that make up the backbone of this country and actually seemed to want to use the power of government to help people.

But nowadays, liberals have shifted to playing identity politics, the victim mentality, and fighting for "social justice." Even though I was a liberal, I never fell into the SJW category. For example, I remember in high school seeing a bunch of flyers for college scholarships that were only being offered to women and minorities; even then I recognized that as racism. I also remember one year a bunch of feminists were bitching about the Victoria's Secret fashion show and made the astute observation that only ugly women were complaining about it.

Bernie Sanders shows some of the signs of the populist liberalism that resonated with me back in the early 2000s. It's too bad he's thrown his hat into the ring with the crazy SJWs, but that's what Democrats have to do now because the crazy SJWs have taken over the party.

I came of age during W's administration, so it was a fairly easy choice to identify as a liberal. At the time, the neo-cons were the only flavor of conservatism available, and I found them to be atrocious. I despised the entire Bush clan, and still do to this day. I've always been highly scientific minded and found the neo-cons' Jesus-talk and Bible thumping highly off-putting. I hated the hypocrisy of the neo-cons who would preach about wanting small, limited government, then turn around and start trying to micromanage everyone's personal lives and massively build up the surveillance state. And even in high school, I thought invading Iraq was a stupid idea, and it turns out I was right. But the Democrats were the only party opposing the invasion, so that was the party to join.

I haven't had the words to describe it until this election, but I've always been a nationalist, compared to the globalist neo-cons. In the 2000s, the Democrats were the only viable option against globalism. I didn't so much leave the Democratic party, as it left me when even the Democratic establishment turned into hypocritical, globalist cucks.

You see this today with the Democrats wanting to invite in as many Muslims as possible, and to hell with the consequences. One reason I used to identify as liberal is because I'm an atheist and couldn't stand the religious, evangelical nutjobs that make up a bulk of the Republican party. I found it refreshing that liberals opposed the kind of people who wanted to make laws deeply rooted in Christianity. But that way of thinking is completely lost on modern day liberals. They seem to think that if I'm critical of Islam and oppose a hoard of Muslim immigrants coming to this country, it's because I'm racist against brown people. No, it's because I've maintained the same principle of being critical against ALL religions and I apply that equally. Today's liberals preach about equality for all, but yet I'm the only one who actually applies my beliefs equally.

The same core principles that made me a liberal in the early 2000s are now the same principles that have guided me more toward the libertarian, alternative-right today. I believe in equally applying my distaste for all organized religions, like I just described. I believe in freedom of speech so much that I was a member of my college chapter of the ACLU, but now liberals are the ones trying to stomp out free speech with their demands for safe spaces. I believe in giving everyone equal opportunities, but now liberals are demanding that also means ensuring equal outcomes. I judge people based on WHO they are and not what they look like, but liberals still insist on dividing people along racial and socioeconomic lines. I've always believed that America works best when we all work together, yet liberals are the ones continually stoking the flames of racial hatred and distrust. I believe in equal rights for gays and trannies because everyone should have the right to live however they want, even if it's deviant, as long as nobody else's rights are violated, but today's liberals are actively promoting being gay and trannie as natural and normal.

Even today, I don't fully understand how liberalism became this corrupted, former shell of itself. I've stayed consistent in my core beliefs, yet they're the ones who have changed. Did liberals actually once stand for something like I think? Or were they always like this and I just didn't see it?

I still don't completely fit in with today's alternative-right, either. Those same libertarian beliefs mean, for example, I'm still pro-choice on abortion and I have a "live and let live" attitude toward gays and trannies. I still believe that government could do good things for people, like universal health care and negotiating good trade deals, if it was managed by people who wanted the government to do good things.

And that is why I like Donald Trump. He actually seems to consistently believe in a similar set of core principles, and he maintains them even if the party surrounding them moves. He seems to genuinely want to make America great again for the middle class and not keep getting us bogged down in pointless wars or idiotic social justice bullshit.

Trump is the kind of presidential candidate I've wanted since the day I first became interested in politics. And in a way, Trump is the candidate that liberals could have been, if they hadn't thrown it all away.

There are some minor differences but this generally sums up my evolution in political beliefs.

Other random notes:

1. I have lived in both liberal and conservative areas of the US. Liberal areas generally have far more expensive real estate and higher taxes yet I find the quality of life to be overall much worse in most cases.

Liberal areas for instance, support policies (like sanctuary zones/rent controls/weak law enforcement/weak self-defense laws) that destroy middle class and below neighborhoods. Libtards don't care because they are fine with paying $1600/month to live in a "up and coming" barely gentrified shithole or they live in isolated safe communities.

2. Furthermore, liberal women generally are uglier and have shittier personalities. Many are truly world class militant feminist cunts. Even when I was more liberal leaning, I recall vividly specifically noting that I got along with conservative leaning women A LOT MORE despite a difference in political beliefs. Better looking, more pleasant, and more fun.

3. My time in the military was like a real life constant experiment that would almost always prove and remind me that gender equality was bullshit; something the libtards have really been pushing down everyone's throats for the last 8 years.

I saw first hand many times women talk big game about how tough and badass they were only to watch them come apart completely once the rubber met the road and they actually had to perform. I also saw blatant double standards be applied; giving women unfair advantages in promotions and performance reviews as well as coddling by white-knight who wanted to fuck them and/or protect them. In a job where shit is potentially life and death, this is completely unacceptable. I tried explaining this to some non-profit feminist cunt one time, explaining how women should at the very least be in entirely separate units and she went nuts and said: "Oh like black people? Separate but equal, right?!"

It was dumb libtard twats like the aforementioned that pushed me away from modern liberal ideology. People who put ridiclous feel-good ideology over being pragmatic and realistic; even if it results in sacrificing other people's lives.

The same chick by the way (to further illustrate the libtard mind) also believed there was a rape epidemic occurring and when I brought up how some men's lives have been destroyed due to false accusations, she said to paraphrase:

"Well, that's just the price that needs to be paid to get the message out there."

I shit you not. This is the modern libtard mindset in a nutshell; people perfectly content and willing to destroy innocent lives just to make a political point. Their contempt for men, especially heterosexual white men is enormous and evil actions are perfectly justifiable against anyone not aligned with their ideology. They are Neo-Red Guard faggot traitors.

I swear on my life, if I was in a country where hitting someone didn't result in criminal charges when I heard that bitch say what she said...

 

[Liberty Sea]

As a young teenager my ultimate fantasy was being a "Global, Benevolent but Harsh Dictator".

isn't that ultra-leftwing though?

 

[El Chinito loco]

If you grow up as any kind of minority in the U.S. you don't find the left the left actively comes to find you first. It doesn't matter if you're black, latino, asian, etc.. a lot of America's political left is built on identity politics. This means even if you don't want anything to do with it you will still get included by default based on this.

This is reinforced by minority group think too for every race. I don't entirely blame latinos and blacks for swallowing the political left blue pill more though because they have a much stronger leftist identity politics base than other groups. The indoctrination definitely begins much earlier for these races because of the media and popular victimhood politics.

When you believe "the man" is keeping you down at every turn then it's easy not to evaluate your own culture first. Way past the civil rights era and into the 80's and beyond any minority still claiming victimhood is a whining twat. Things are completely different now and yet the left still makes minorities believe that this is the Jim Crow era.

Like everyone else I was exposed to leftist garbage the most in college and dipped my toe in liberal politics briefly.

I believe I was much more insulated from this indoctrination since..

I didn't grow up in a safe suburban environment for a lot of my late childhood and teen years. I saw actual conditions of poverty and crime growing up and saw what "multiculturalism" really was like when you strip away civility that's more present in middle and upper class environment.

If you're from a northeast or southeast asian background in the U.S. around my age chances are good you have one or more relatives who directly saw combat against Communism. The whole marxist shit in college was over the top even when I was going to college. I remember one sociology professor I had was a short haired butch looking white liberal professor. She had us all buy her nonsense books and I remember the short biography of her on back cover even used the term "marxist" to describe her political views. This was way back before the SJW shit took off in the mainstream and even then that struck me as seriously wrong especially when a few of my relatives actively fought Communists.

I also saw how in college most white, black, and latino liberals couldn't really stand one another. There was tons of hypocrisy there and even though I went to a pretty big CA university there was a lot of voluntary segregation going on. Liberal identity politics was also highly tiered as it is now with certain races getting a bigger soapbox to preach than others. It was easy to see how the Hollywood media kind of reinforces standard identity politics group think too.

Although in my day the whole LGBT and feminism thing wasn't the trendy cause de jure like it is now for so many in American society. I rarely even heard the term feminism used in college. So race still got top billing when it came to victimhood politics.

 

[debeguiled]

Although in my day the whole LGBT and feminism thing wasn't the trendy cause de jure like it is now for so many in American society. I rarely even heard the term feminism used in college. So race still got top billing when it came to victimhood politics.

Sometimes grammar nerd with poor impulse control says, "it's du jour, not de jure."

 

[El Chinito loco]

Although in my day the whole LGBT and feminism thing wasn't the trendy cause de jure like it is now for so many in American society. I rarely even heard the term feminism used in college. So race still got top billing when it came to victimhood politics.

Sometimes grammar nerd with poor impulse control says, "it's du jour, not de jure."

You're right i'll blame any and all grammar errors for posting this at the crack of dawn where i'm at.

 

[Lucky]

I grew up in a very liberal household, and absorbed the message that republicans were evil. To be fair, guys like Bush and Cheney made it easy to hate on the GOP. I was very socially liberal, totally pro-choice, gay marriage, etc.

I fell for the Obama hope and change stuff and voted for him in 2008. Like many liberals, I was very disappointed.

One day in 2012 I was watching a Romney and Obama debate, and found myself largely agreeing with Romney. Particularly his statements about China's currency manipulation. Obama was acting very smug, as is his usual style, though he had recently fucked up royally in Benghazi.

I realized how disgusted I was with the way Obama ran his platform in 2012 and the identity politics he and Biden were using. The "war on women" nonsense, the "binders full of women" non-issue, and Biden telling a room full of black voters that Romney wanted to "put [ya'll] back in chains."

I didn't vote in 2012 but was leaning toward Romney. I was politically confused during that time because my instincts and reasoning were at odds with the ideas I had been conditioned to believe.

Now I can say without reservation that I'm a conservative, and will be voting for Trump.

 

[MidJack]

I voted for the cool black guy because it was trendy. Four years later, I voted for Gary Johnson in protest. I don't fit the libertarian mold but definitely had a quick transition away from establishment politics after deploying overseas.

 

[Tex]

When I first got into politics at around 17, I ran into a lot of libertarian stuff. The first political text I ever read on my own was The Law by Frederic Bastiat. I loved it and took a lot of its anti-statism to heart.

As I got into libertarianism more and read a lot of Ayn Rand stuff, I started becoming hardcore pro-gay marriage, anti-keynesian, and anti-religion. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2008 and watched him, Mitt Romney and my entire country get blown the fuck out.

After that, I noticed that the world around me was less and less explained by the philosophy of government, just laws, "negative rights/positive rights," and more and more by culture, values, roles, and identity.

The nail in the coffin was seeing every culture in the world quickly transmogrify into one big composite culture that made everyone's background the same. America has always been this way, and that's what makes America different. But when I noticed the world was becoming like that, I started getting worried. I saw individuality in history, culture, values, and greater identity start dying out, even getting erased, like it never existed.

And people were acting like that was okay. It was mainly liberals. Mainly snobby university professors claiming we all share one big culture anyway. Claiming cultural differences divide us more than anything, and they should be eliminated altogether.

These are the same people who spent hours on ancestry.com trying to attach themselves to some larger sense of identity. Who buy plane tickets to Scotland because "my great great grandfather was a Scot and Scotland is fascinating and important to me." The irony was always lost on them.

That's when I became a conservative.

 

[Remington]

My parents raised me the right way (pun intended). I have grown up listening to both sides of arguments, I always leaned right. To me, it always made more sense. Some people might not agree, but it's my opinion, so they can go fuck themselves if they are offended.

 

[Roardog]

I grew up in a rural conservative household so have always been right wing and voted as such. However I was more hard line right when I was younger. The years have mellowed me a bit and shown me the shades of grey in the world so I have drifted more to the centre right in that I am still fiscally conservative, anti wholesale immigration and believe in small government, however I am more socially liberal than I used to be.

 

[Valentine]

Was the case for me, only after learning the true extent of egalitarianism did I realise it's far more rational to be "far right".

 

[Walker]

Now, just the same as 5, 10, 15 years ago, the two types of outspoken political people I hate the most are both right wing - randroids and warmongers. I still self identify as liberal because of those two groups, even though the left is full of lesser evils that I have to hold my nose around - SJWs, grievance mongers, and people who demonize self defense.

 

[AnonymousBosch]

It's pretty much impossible to play in the art/music/drama world these days. Maybe it always was filled with whores. But it doesn't need to be that way. Whores abound and rule the day now. Producers, writers, directors, actors, musicians. It's called the entertainment industry.

That much we do agree on. Whores are gonna whore. To the left, to the right. Just as long as they keep signalling that virtue (party line), they stand a chance of getting a bit of work. Makes you wonder why anyone goes into that field really.

I know when to keep my opinions to myself, but I don't compromise my beliefs in my music. It's amazing what you can get away with.

My music plays hugely-well with Progressives. I've been confused for a long time as to exactly why: everything I sing about is everything that they should naturally-despise. Perhaps I reflect their insecurities very well, and so make them feel that I've truly seen them. Maybe, since my songs are somewhat aspirational, and there is something in these people that still secretly-wishes they were better than they are when tied with the emotion of the music. Maybe it appeals to their intellectual vanity: they think they're smart enough to get it, even though they clearly don't.

My lyrics aren't deliberately-obscure, either: I just use metaphor so - most of the time - songs function in a layered fashion. So what sounds like an intimate, personal statement might also be able to be read as a broader, political one.

We live in a time of black-and-white thought, lacking nuance and complexity, and the current music critics simply aren't capable of that level of considered criticism. To them, what you hear is exactly what you get. Artists should take comfort in this: it's still possible to speak your mind in your art, at least for now. The trick is not be all Millennial about it and let the audience approach the interpretation in their own way, rather than boxing them about the ears, shouting "Do you get it? Do you get it? See how deep this is and how smart I must be?" The meaning is there if they want to consider it, if not, I'm happy for them to enjoy the song for what they think it is.

This is how I can end up with an audience of Hipsters singing along to what they think is a bitter breakup song, when it's simply a song I wrote years back whilst watching Obama's first Inauguration with the sound turned down as I tinkered with the guitar, which heightened his false, rehearsed affect, and made me suspicious of his motivations and distrusting of his promises. If anything, time proved I wasn't suspicious enough.

One of the quieter musicians I work with understands what I'm doing: "Remind me to never piss you off, Bosch."

 

[infowarrior1]

I was a left-wing guy given the education that I have been given,documentaries I have watched and news.

I was as left-wing as the Sydney Morning Herald and Sunrise News in Australia.

However once I discovered Game and subsequently the manosphere this along with my recent conversion to Christianity. My views started to change. Now my beliefs are after years of formation neo-reactionary in nature since "conservativism'' have shown itself cuckservative.

However I still retain my general non-interventionism as well as opposition to imperialist wars that America have recently waged under the Bushes and Environmentalism from my leftwing days.

I still hate warmongers. And now that I thought through environmentalism I realized that it is actually Right-Wing to be environmentalist considering that leaving a healthy strong civilization to posterity involves also a healthy ecosystem as well which helps sustain that civilization the current problem with modern civilization however is that instead of building buildings and structures that work with and improve the environment it rapes it and ruins the environment that it is in often uglifying it instead of beautifying it. Who would want the earth to be a polluted, mutiliated shithole for their children and grandchildren?

It is bullshit really that environmentalism got associated with the leftwing. But that muddies the water as to the fact that environmental health is a legitimate issue. Cleaning up the environment,improving it and making a civilization that works in harmony with it rather than destroying it should not have to come with the baggage of the leftwing.

Humans should be stewards of the earth not its destroyer.

 

[Samseau]

I was a left-wing guy given the education that I have been given,documentaries I have watched and news.

I was as left-wing as the Sydney Morning Herald and Sunrise News in Australia.

However once I discovered Game and subsequently the manosphere this along with my recent conversion to Christianity. My views started to change. Now my beliefs are after years of formation neo-reactionary in nature since "conservativism'' have shown itself cuckservative.

However I still retain my general non-interventionism as well as opposition to imperialist wars that America have recently waged under the Bushes and Environmentalism from my leftwing days.

I still hate warmongers. And now that I thought through environmentalism I realized that it is actually Right-Wing to be environmentalist considering that leaving a healthy strong civilization to posterity involves also a healthy ecosystem as well which helps sustain that civilization the current problem with modern civilization however is that instead of building buildings and structures that work with and improve the environment it rapes it and ruins the environment that it is in often uglifying it instead of beautifying it. Who would want the earth to be a polluted, mutiliated shithole for their children and grandchildren?

It is bullshit really that environmentalism got associated with the leftwing. But that muddies the water as to the fact that environmental health is a legitimate issue. Cleaning up the environment,improving it and making a civilization that works in harmony with it rather than destroying it should not have to come with the baggage of the leftwing.

Humans should be stewards of the earth not its destroyer.

The original conservationists were right-wing in America.

The Unabomber was a right-wing environmentalist as well.

Environmentalism is it's own issue but is mostly hijacked by Democrats as a cheap brainwashing tool, like civil rights. They mainly use it to sucker in gullible voters. The Democrats don't give a damn over any environmental outcome, only the Green party does.