Western Medicine Is Dead

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This is true: masculine men are smarter and stronger than effeminate men and women because we have higher testosterone levels.
 

Vigilant

Kingfisher
Woman
So they want to take away human free will. And therefore make belief in God impossible. I don't think God will allow that.

I guess if God does allow that. Then western religiousness will be more rational/logical and autistic than it is now.
Steiner ‘s “Christianity”: “men understood the Christ through what they had received from Lucifer” - quote.

The 'vaccine' is the angel of light's spell against the 'virus' found in Christians, whilst ridding non-Christians to get to their target.
This is the continuation of the world war 1 & 2, against Christendom.

Insanity is unsustainable; no occult will prosper against Him.
"During most of the history of Western civilization, it has been recognized that, without the fear of God, no society can long endure."
 

Vigilant

Kingfisher
Woman
This is true: masculine men are smarter and stronger than effeminate men and women because we have higher testosterone levels.
"Men’s liberation movement came into being after 1660, headed up by Charles II and his corrupt court including a number of degenerates, homosexuals and the like. After about two centuries of that the feminists movement arose and in this century, especially since World War II, has become very powerful. At the same time men have lost a great deal of the attributes of masculinity. And in its place the macho bit has come in which is pseudo masculinity."

Part of God's perfect design is that women surpass men at practical reasoning, which facilitates men exceling at abstract reasoning. This abstract reasoning then enables men to protect their practical; a healthy symbiosis. In other words men and women are yoked, whether for good or for evil.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. - Mark 10:09
And on the other hand, what man puts together, against God, will be separated.
 
Steiner ‘s “Christianity”: “men understood the Christ through what they had received from Lucifer” - quote.

The 'vaccine' is the angel of light's spell against the 'virus' found in Christians, whilst ridding non-Christians to get to their target.
This is the continuation of the world war 1 & 2, against Christendom.

Insanity is unsustainable; no occult will prosper against Him.
"During most of the history of Western civilization, it has been recognized that, without the fear of God, no society can long endure."
The middle paragraph is very strange. But I kinda get it. It isn't the only tool in his arsenal. But nonetheless God keeps him on a leash.
 
The fix has been in since the beginning. The AMA was founded to promote allopathic medicine based on surgery and medications, and to discredit homeopathic medical schools and other natural-based treatments. Prior to this time, there were an equal number of respected homeopathic medical schools and physicians to the allopaths. The Rockefeller and Carnegie funded Flexner Report was also part of the Great Reset of American medicine, if you will. (Business tycoons molding the medical industry for their own profit...hmm.)

In short order, the non-Flexner approved schools were shut down and only AMA approved physicians could obtain licensure. This fabricated shortage of physicians increased their wealth greatly, as did the allopathic regime of expensive surgeries and chemicals. Why cure someone if you can "treat" them for years?
You got something against Shamanism, goy? This comment is rayciss! Ima tell da central scrutinizer!

Seriously, Lou Rockwell wrote an eye-opening report about the Flexner Report some years back. Titled, "Medical Control, Medical Corruption," it is still on his web site, and well worth a read by anybody who holds any regard or belief in the so-called medical field in America, or in Science here in general.

Actually, to call the modern institution of Muh Science "Shamanism," does a great disservice to animist cultures everywhere.
 
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Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
I always get a kick out of these threads because there is much information, but there is also much speculation and even outright voodoo. I know this because I've been trained in it, I paid my dues, and I have seen the system first hand. I currently am in a position where I joke I could get fired any minute for my particular beliefs, though I'm particularly competent in various areas. Of course, critical thinking and understanding modern life to a greater degree than lemmings isn't all that hard - but it ain't always easy. Most people don't see the big picture and waste resources or at least grossly misuse them. Mostly this is because the system is afraid of telling the truth to people (the politics of it all, in general federally and at a hospital, let's say), the people can't handle said truth (same idea), and no one knows what garbage medicolegal claims can be made to give everyone an even greater headache - patients who vote or don't understand or demand tort reform yes, they are also part of the problem and why insurance costs are even higher, etc.

First, let me tell you that just like in my training, when we get to a certain stage we take things for granted. You're an expert already? You can't suffer the first year resident or medical student. You already know everything about anatomy? Of course it's easier for you to synthesize information now, although I always thought there were better ways to teach - big picture (most important) to small detail (fill in expertise later). Patients are the same way. You got to the age of 65 or 70 that most humans from ages ago never got to? Oh, no gratitude, if things don't work out it must because "someone wants to make money off of you", not because you are sick and there just isn't that much to do. Or it bothers you that you see others living to 80+ with ease, as if you were promised or deserve that. Sorry to break it to you people. It's like with Roosh's sister (memory eternal indeed) ... uhh if you get cancer at 31, there's not gonna be much you can do. Why? It just doesn't happen. The equivalent is dying in a plane or auto crash ... happens to some, clearly a tragedy. No control over it and not medicine's fault.

I have many smart colleagues. Most aren't wise. Most don't see the big picture. Most are algorithm followers (certainly primary care people are like this at this point). Women are going to be the worst, by far, at seeing the larger picture - they are social conformists and rule followers. The perfect worker bee. Not all, but 95%.

Lemme tell you, it's like everything else we complain on in this site (which is fine, that's what it's for): we inherited a society of broken and corrupted families, versions of technocracies, fatties everywhere, confused masculinity and femininity, etc. Medicine is no different. It has huge university/political inputs. It has a system that costs physicians hundreds of thousands to train in, at increasing total time of training that's just going up. Then they have board certs. Now they have continuing board certs. Now they have to pay for this, now they have to credential for that. They walk in with a theoretical bullseye on their back each day in the name of lawsuits, just for going to work. You guys don't. You think after a while these people care about a system and populace that doesn't care about them? They're just trying to get paid something and go home like the rest of the people. If they can do good, great. Most of us want to do a really great job, and a lot of us do. But it's funny when the expectation is that we're gonna work nights and weekends, get sued, not get paid til age 30-something, have admins make far more than us (like hospitals), get extorted by voters and patients over and over ... and then act like this whole thing is noble?

Sorry to break the news to you. But I think you knew anyway.
 

GodfatherPartTwo

Kingfisher
Of course, why do you think they try to brainwash us with shows like Grey's anatomy, House, Scrubs, etc... They are trying to use propaganda to show that doctor's really do care about us and are the smartest amongst us, when in reality, I think they could be the dumbest and most wicked, being paid off by big pharma to push their pills onto patients.
The funny thing about House is that he has an open disdain for his patients. I've read some doctors say that his character was more life-like then they would like to admit.
 

Oogddyi

Chicken
Where I live in EE the medical profession is still highly esteemed, it still is a highly competitive branch of higher education despite the average or below-average wages. Most docs I know are dedicated, hard-working and many of them truly idealistic (majority of them don't become rich from being a doctor in EE). We have many internationally esteemed surgeons etc. To make ends meet, most younger ones work several jobs totaling 70-80+ hours per week.

However, when I've spoken to several of them during the pandemic, I was appalled. A large portion of diagnosticians and even a lab director with PhD at best hostipals in the country turned out to be mere algorithm followers, unable to comprehend basic statistics in papers published in their own field like confidence intervals, completely unable to draw proper conclusions from the studies, oblivious to contradictions (you don't need a medical degree to spot them - it's just basic grammar and logic!), totally trusting the data presented by the big pharma and even not knowing what specifically this data referred to. And a condescending attitude to any probing questions about lockdowns, vaccines, masks etc. from "non-medical professionals" to boot, at least until you tell them that you're a molecular biologist: essentially, "let's set your questions aside" and let us do some "real work" on "real patients" and not on "theoretical divagations".

I admire their truly hard-working attitude, but man, it seems we have a huge problem with education.
 

Max Roscoe

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
Not only will avoiding western doctors probably make you healthier (assuming you take your health into your own hands--you can't just eat garbage and live a terrible lifestyle and develop maladies and then ignore medical treatment) but it was a huge part of my financial independence.

I have been self employed for most of my life, and therefore if I want "health insurance" I must give something like $4,000+ a year to an insurance company. The money pays for nothing if I don't see a doctor. They just pocket it. While I could afford that today, for many years I could not, and $4,000 still buys an awful lot of other nice things that I would prefer to have, over the extremely weak service such a policy would give me. Such a policy pays for very little, and in doing the math I figured I would need a $10,000 + a year medical event on average *EVERY YEAR* for insurance to be worthwhile.

My gym (before the flu), good diet, good habits, and good genes have been my passport to good health. I generally avoid alcohol, sugar, and carbs and mostly eat fish and fresh fruits and veggies, along with some supplements and vitamins. All this costs a fraction of what interacting with the health care system does, and it makes me feel far better.

I have relayed the story before about dating a doctor--the other fellow doctors would retreat to the hospital break room to look up *WEBMD* and return and tell their patients to take whatever steps WebMD recommended for their reported symptoms. And then charge them a couple hundred dollars or so.

By avoiding health insurance for almost two decades, the premiums I didn't piss away are enough to pay for a house in cash.

A doctor wanted to do a knee replacement operation on me for like $15,000, which would permanently reduce my mobility (and other doctors insisted I *HAD* to have it--there was no choice), and when I asked for a second opinion he said, well you could try physical therapy for 6 weeks. After maybe $500 of therapy I made a complete recovery, and didn't need this dangerous and permanent invasive surgery.

Any medical needs I have I take care of with foreign doctors when travelling abroad (the systems are always far more efficient and cheaper, and while I cannot speak to the quality since thankfully I have been very healthy most of my life, it appears superior as well).

Many are shocked to learn that the #3 cause of death in America is a doctor screwing up and accidentally killing you. This is why I always say if you do not have #1 Heart Disease or #2 Cancer, then you should not visit a hospital, as chances are you could become one of the 300,000-400,000 unintentionally KILLED by doctors (note this does not include cases where the treatment doesn't work or has side effects that kill you, like Roosh's sister or my grandmother, so the actual number doctors kill is much higher).


Dr Joel Wallach released a book called "Dead Doctors Don't Lie." The premise is that the average doctor only lives until age 58 so why would you take any health advice from someone who dies a decade or two earlier than average?

These are among the many reasons I avoid western medicine, but the main reason is they have perverse financial incentives, and they focus on treating symptoms, not health.
 

Vigilant

Kingfisher
Woman
Not only will avoiding western doctors probably make you healthier (assuming you take your health into your own hands--you can't just eat garbage and live a terrible lifestyle and develop maladies and then ignore medical treatment) but it was a huge part of my financial independence.

I have been self employed for most of my life, and therefore if I want "health insurance" I must give something like $4,000+ a year to an insurance company. The money pays for nothing if I don't see a doctor. They just pocket it. While I could afford that today, for many years I could not, and $4,000 still buys an awful lot of other nice things that I would prefer to have, over the extremely weak service such a policy would give me. Such a policy pays for very little, and in doing the math I figured I would need a $10,000 + a year medical event on average *EVERY YEAR* for insurance to be worthwhile.

My gym (before the flu), good diet, good habits, and good genes have been my passport to good health. I generally avoid alcohol, sugar, and carbs and mostly eat fish and fresh fruits and veggies, along with some supplements and vitamins. All this costs a fraction of what interacting with the health care system does, and it makes me feel far better.

I have relayed the story before about dating a doctor--the other fellow doctors would retreat to the hospital break room to look up *WEBMD* and return and tell their patients to take whatever steps WebMD recommended for their reported symptoms. And then charge them a couple hundred dollars or so.

By avoiding health insurance for almost two decades, the premiums I didn't piss away are enough to pay for a house in cash.

A doctor wanted to do a knee replacement operation on me for like $15,000, which would permanently reduce my mobility (and other doctors insisted I *HAD* to have it--there was no choice), and when I asked for a second opinion he said, well you could try physical therapy for 6 weeks. After maybe $500 of therapy I made a complete recovery, and didn't need this dangerous and permanent invasive surgery.

Any medical needs I have I take care of with foreign doctors when travelling abroad (the systems are always far more efficient and cheaper, and while I cannot speak to the quality since thankfully I have been very healthy most of my life, it appears superior as well).

Many are shocked to learn that the #3 cause of death in America is a doctor screwing up and accidentally killing you. This is why I always say if you do not have #1 Heart Disease or #2 Cancer, then you should not visit a hospital, as chances are you could become one of the 300,000-400,000 unintentionally KILLED by doctors (note this does not include cases where the treatment doesn't work or has side effects that kill you, like Roosh's sister or my grandmother, so the actual number doctors kill is much higher).


Dr Joel Wallach released a book called "Dead Doctors Don't Lie." The premise is that the average doctor only lives until age 58 so why would you take any health advice from someone who dies a decade or two earlier than average?

These are among the many reasons I avoid western medicine, but the main reason is they have perverse financial incentives, and they focus on treating symptoms, not health.
 
Very well said, Roosh. Corona is ushering in a medical apocalypse, among other things -- the hollowness of Rockefeller medicine is now being exposed for all to see. I for one won't be going around those white coats for any reason any time soon.
 

StNick

Chicken
Like RooshV, I am Asian, applied to medical school (MD) applied with a 3.7, 512 MCAT (about a 32 MCAT) in biochemistry major. Have about $50,000 in debt. Got rejected on two application cycles due to "lack of volunteer and clinical work." Saw hispanics, blacks, and women get in with far easier majors like Sociology and higher grades, terrible MCATs (500-503), and even low GPAs (3.4). I've burned over $15,000 in two application cycles out of borrowed money.

All I can say is never go to a diversity hire and medical school is for rich kids.
 
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Once vaunted as the most respected professional field, Western medicine has been corrupted by the scientism of the times, reduced to a pill-popping and vaccine-injecting shamanism that no longer cures diseases but prolongs them. Medicine used to bring solace and hope to people, but now it is the grim reaper, the bringer of suffering, confusion, false hope, and unnecessary death. We’re fast approaching the stage where it may be better not to seek medical care at all for the most serious of illnesses.

The politicization of medicine​


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When I was an undergrad at university, I originally wanted to become a doctor. I was on a pre-med track along with many of the peers who majored in a hard science. Starting in my junior year, much of our talk was centered around taking the medical school entrance exam (MCAT) and achieving a score that assured acceptance into a medical school not based in the Caribbean. I quickly learned that, all else being equal, we would be evaluated on a curve according to our race. My black peers could get in with an MCAT score of 25, while my white peers needed to get close to 30. It was even worse for Asians, who had to punch above 30.

How could it be that applicants who objectively did worse on an exam could become a doctor over those who had done better? Doesn’t society want the absolute best doctors in the country to perform life-saving procedures and surgeries? Apparently not. The medical care that you receive is becoming increasingly dependent on correcting perceived historical wrongs than rewarding genuine ability and intellectual merit. I could not understand that as a lowly undergrad student. It should not surprise you that nearly all of my black peers became doctors, but based on what I knew of their abilities from studying with them, they were not the most qualified above other applicants who were discouraged due to the higher standard they were being judged on.

While a requirement for intelligence has not been completely thrown out the door, politics was already an entrenched factor for medical school admissions upon my graduating year of 2001. Consider the fact that women are so “encouraged” to become doctors that they now outnumber men, only later to leave the profession in droves because they changed their mind or desired lighter hours. What a societal waste to train women for medicine when so many of them rightfully decide it’s more joyful to raise children.

Once in medical school, at least, students can be taught pure medicine, untainted from the type of affirmative action policies that selected much of the admission class, but medical schools are connected to universities—the same universities that have become infected with a Marxist rot that insists on creating an inverted world where revolutionary and egalitarian ideas are elevated above the most basic truths. I have seen no indication that medical schools have walled themselves off from this revolutionary spirit. Not only have they adopted Marxist ideas, but at the same time they’ve become heavily influenced by money from the pharmaceutical industry.

Medical treatments lack reproducible proof of efficacy​


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Medical school curriculums have been created through “scientific studies,” and who can afford to conduct those increasingly expensive studies but globalized institutions, corporations, and “philanthropic” foundations. Take a look at the popular medical journals today and you will see a paucity of studies promoting natural remedies or lifestyle changes. Those compose a tiny minority of the research compendium because it entails no profit, and if you encounter such a study, it almost certainly was done outside of the United States.

Medical students gain a large amount of raw knowledge, but the entire orientation of which to apply that knowledge is to slice, dice, and pill-feed. In their exceedingly expensive training (medical school debt can surpass $1 million), students learn that all bodily problems can be solved with a scalpel or through prescribing chemicals produced in Chinese and Indian factories. I’ve been to honest car mechanics who have advised no intervention for an annoying car issue, but a doctor is trained to do something, anything, and the patient, lacking in faith and terrified of death, will beg for that anything—which they may have seen on a slick television commercial—no matter how extreme or toxic, even if the expensive solution to his ailment will merely rearrange the workings of his body to soon create yet another ailment that he must also seek treatment for. The efficacy of all those treatments is unknown because of the reproducibility crisis that has not only hit the soft sciences but also medicine.

The reproducibility crisis is the phenomenon whereby at least 50% of scientific studies cannot be reproduced, in spite of the fact that reproducibility is supposed to be the hallmark of science. I should be able to take your peer-reviewed and published scientific study, duplicate the setup, apply the same variables and conditions, and come up with identical results, but this is simply not happening, and perhaps never happened. You would think that reproducibility is essential to prove the efficacy of any medical treatment because human health and life are at stake, but just one successful study is enough to sweep all the failed ones under the rug. I know this because I worked for a pharmaceutical company that would hedge their bets by conducting multiple studies on the same drug candidate and then pick the ones that showed the most favorable results that could lead to FDA approval.

Many drugs that were heralded to alleviate a disease, despite the studies allegedly proving their claims, turned out to cause serious health damage while providing no curative effect, and so the entire foundation of modern medicine becomes shaky, held up only by vested financial interests that want to keep selling you expensive treatments. I can in fact prove to you that the best way to put out a forest fire is to drop a nuclear bomb on it. The fire will certainly go out since the entire forest and all combustible matter would be obliterated. I may even get published by a journal that peer reviews my nuclear bomb treatment, but if you want the forest to at least somewhat resemble its original state, it may be worth looking into another remedy, and the sad truth of my nuclear bomb example is that at least it does work, but most medical treatments do not work, and were approved by compliant government bureaucrats who wanted high-paying jobs in the same companies they are supposed to protect us from.

What is really true and what is not? What really works and what doesn’t? You’ll need a professional laboratory to help you seek the truth, but only 3% of laboratories are independent. Most are connected, by one or two degrees, to corrupt academia, the same interests that profit from the supposed cure, and Bill Gates and the Rockefellers, who have a strange fixation on the agenda of depopulation alongside “health.” No one in their right mind could interpret the actions or behavior of globalists like Bill Gates as a genuine concern for their fellow man.

Medicine’s motto is “dope and cope”​


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How could I be so against medicine? I must have had a bad experience—a really bad experience—and you would be correct. My sister, when she was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2015, became a medical experiment for numerous drugs, infusions, and treatments that were “proven” through “studies” that appeared in the most prestigious journals. Her team of smiley doctors (all female) was full of “optimism” and “hope” of their recommendations. They pricked her, sliced her, diced her, and injected her with some of the most carcinogenic substances known to man. No recommendations of theirs did we refuse, and not even three years later, she was gone, at the age of 31.

The suffering she went through, not from the cancer but from the doctors who treated her, who swore an oath to do her no harm, was so deceptive, needless, and barbaric that you can say my opinion on medicine has become biased. I have absolutely no doubt that I could have constructed a treatment plan for her from basic food ingredients in the kitchen cupboard that would have reduced her suffering by over 90% and perhaps even prolonged her life, because three years is not a long time, and in hindsight, doing absolutely nothing would have given me more positive memories of her in her last days than the personal anguish I still feel for not advising her correctly on how to face this disease, but how could I have done so when I had no faith in Jesus Christ to put her illness in context?

At least I was by her side when she died, along with my mother and father. I know my presence comforted her before she departed this world, but if tomorrow I am in her position and reach the end of my life in a hospital, my parents would not be by my side because of demented hospital rules that forbid it. In the name of halting the spread of coronavirus, which from my lying eyes and ears appears to be a bad flu that is an incredibly useful tool to establishing a worldwide scientific dictatorship, my own parents would not be able to comfort me as a lay dying on a hospital bed while connected to the med-tech machinery of computers, sensors, pumps, and breathing machines. Even if I have a wife and children, they would not be able to console me. I would be forced to die alone as if I were alone, because I guarantee no doctor or nurse would stroke my hand as I take my last medically-assisted breath.

I talked to a priest who told me the story of going to a hospital to give one final communion to a dying parishioner. He went prepared with a face mask, but the security guard would not let him in due to “rules.” A heartfelt attempt at having compassion for the dying was met with a threat that the police would be called. The parishioner died without a man of God to pray for his soul.

If I suddenly approach death’s door, I challenge you to convince me to call 911 for an ambulance. Convince me to get admitted to a hospital with nurses who may prefer making TikTok videos over changing my bedsheets, who would be relieved to discover that there are no friends and relatives of mine who can ask questions, test their treatment decisions, and confirm that I’m receiving an appropriate level of care. In my incapacitated, drugged-up state, would I be able to protest? Would they even listen to my complaints or would it be easier to tie me to the bed? Would I be allowed to escape the hospital prison and die on my own terms instead of theirs? Or would my death be managed as per the standards of modern care, which is now what the prompts on the computer screen by your bedside tell them to do, a decision tree no doubt approved by the insurance companies, so they can end your life without fear of lawsuits while the coronavirus numbers can be juiced further for the hospital to receive a big fat check from the government?

I choose not to die in a hospital​


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I don’t trust the last days of my life in the hands of doctors and nurses. Whatever consciousness that remains in me without medical aid I will dedicate to repenting and glorifying my Creator. It’s for that reason that my life expectancy has dropped. I have no ailment and am in fine health for my age, but I will not be admitted to the hospital. I will not be intubated, undergo open-heart surgery, or receive the same toxic chemotherapy drugs as my beloved sister. If I am struck down by the hands of fate, of which only God knows the when and how, I will die in my own bed, beside my family, and I will receive one last communion from my priest who cares about my soul.

I’ve been to several hospitals and noticed that many of them were established as explicit Christian charities. Relics of those foundings can be seen in the occasional Bible verse displayed on the walls, but when you walk into a hospital administrator’s office today, or you peek into the cubicles of the nurses and doctors who practice there, you will see not the God of the Cross but the gods of technology, silver, and gold. Medical care is a big business that is controlled by big interests, and the token displays of Christianity you witness are just to appease the few faithful remaining in this country who feel hesitant to be chopped up by human hands instead of trusting the hands of God.

Good can only come from God, and if an entire industry is advancing without God, as medicine has been during our lifetimes, I don’t see much good in it besides the boring but effective treatments of hip replacement, eye cataract surgery, and removal of warts. If you’re afflicted by something that merely annoys you, perhaps a visit to the doctor couldn’t hurt since you will make a decision for your care that is clear-headed and not based on your fear of death, but if your life is at stake, and you ask a doctor to lay hands upon you, you will get the worst of what medicine can provide simply to keep your body alive when God Himself had already decided that what you need to do is repent and get ready for your next life.

It is possible that I may die sooner than my parents because I refuse to get butchered by doctors only to die alone in the end, but I can’t help but consider the benefit to my soul. As I write this, I know that I can be struck down at any moment. No med-tech torture device or genetic therapy injection will save me. I may not have much time to even say goodbye to those I love when the angel of death comes to take me, so believe me when I say that I make my peace with God every single night. Not one goes by that I don’t ask him to forgive me for my sins, because when the end comes, I only want to be comforted and embraced by the love of God who created me, not the sterile gloved hands of a doctor who wants to dope me up to the point where I don’t even know what is happening to me, all under the guise of making me feel a false “comfort.” Only God can give me comfort. Only He can help me face my death. And only He can prepare my body to be resurrected in the age to come.

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I’ve also had horrible experiences with doctors but I’ve had good ones too. I am not a feminist and I don’t believe married women should work if they don’t have to, at least not full time. But because of past experiences I trust female doctors more than male doctors, depending on the type of doctor. I also don’t trust psychiatrists period. They’re just there to make money because their income depends almost entirely on prescribing pharmaceuticals. But I’ve been to way too many male doctors who seem to value their ego more than my well-being and get angry when I question them while almost every female doctor I’ve seen will actually listen to my concerns and let me explain what’s going on before deciding the best course of action and are more cautious about prescribing me medications. They also seem more compassionate. This does seem to be unique to the medical field because outside the medical field most women these days are total harpies to be avoided when possible. I’m also in the middle of a pharmaceutical malpractice lawsuit over horrific side effects to a pharmaceutical whim my own uncle who is a doctor himself was involved in and every male doctor I saw was so quick to defend him while every female doctor I saw was horrified by the malpractice he was involved in. I avoid going to the doctor period when possible but unfortunately sometimes I have no choice. And it is precisely because of the natural differences both in behavior and biology between men and women that I reject feminism and even if I prefer a female doctor over a male.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
Where I live in EE the medical profession is still highly esteemed, it still is a highly competitive branch of higher education despite the average or below-average wages. Most docs I know are dedicated, hard-working and many of them truly idealistic (majority of them don't become rich from being a doctor in EE). We have many internationally esteemed surgeons etc. To make ends meet, most younger ones work several jobs totaling 70-80+ hours per week.

However, when I've spoken to several of them during the pandemic, I was appalled. A large portion of diagnosticians and even a lab director with PhD at best hostipals in the country turned out to be mere algorithm followers, unable to comprehend basic statistics in papers published in their own field like confidence intervals, completely unable to draw proper conclusions from the studies, oblivious to contradictions (you don't need a medical degree to spot them - it's just basic grammar and logic!), totally trusting the data presented by the big pharma and even not knowing what specifically this data referred to. And a condescending attitude to any probing questions about lockdowns, vaccines, masks etc. from "non-medical professionals" to boot, at least until you tell them that you're a molecular biologist: essentially, "let's set your questions aside" and let us do some "real work" on "real patients" and not on "theoretical divagations".

I admire their truly hard-working attitude, but man, it seems we have a huge problem with education.
It's a spiritual disease.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
Not only will avoiding western doctors probably make you healthier (assuming you take your health into your own hands--you can't just eat garbage and live a terrible lifestyle and develop maladies and then ignore medical treatment) but it was a huge part of my financial independence.

I have been self employed for most of my life, and therefore if I want "health insurance" I must give something like $4,000+ a year to an insurance company. The money pays for nothing if I don't see a doctor. They just pocket it. While I could afford that today, for many years I could not, and $4,000 still buys an awful lot of other nice things that I would prefer to have, over the extremely weak service such a policy would give me. Such a policy pays for very little, and in doing the math I figured I would need a $10,000 + a year medical event on average *EVERY YEAR* for insurance to be worthwhile.

My gym (before the flu), good diet, good habits, and good genes have been my passport to good health. I generally avoid alcohol, sugar, and carbs and mostly eat fish and fresh fruits and veggies, along with some supplements and vitamins. All this costs a fraction of what interacting with the health care system does, and it makes me feel far better.

I have relayed the story before about dating a doctor--the other fellow doctors would retreat to the hospital break room to look up *WEBMD* and return and tell their patients to take whatever steps WebMD recommended for their reported symptoms. And then charge them a couple hundred dollars or so.

By avoiding health insurance for almost two decades, the premiums I didn't piss away are enough to pay for a house in cash.

A doctor wanted to do a knee replacement operation on me for like $15,000, which would permanently reduce my mobility (and other doctors insisted I *HAD* to have it--there was no choice), and when I asked for a second opinion he said, well you could try physical therapy for 6 weeks. After maybe $500 of therapy I made a complete recovery, and didn't need this dangerous and permanent invasive surgery.

Any medical needs I have I take care of with foreign doctors when travelling abroad (the systems are always far more efficient and cheaper, and while I cannot speak to the quality since thankfully I have been very healthy most of my life, it appears superior as well).

Many are shocked to learn that the #3 cause of death in America is a doctor screwing up and accidentally killing you. This is why I always say if you do not have #1 Heart Disease or #2 Cancer, then you should not visit a hospital, as chances are you could become one of the 300,000-400,000 unintentionally KILLED by doctors (note this does not include cases where the treatment doesn't work or has side effects that kill you, like Roosh's sister or my grandmother, so the actual number doctors kill is much higher).


Dr Joel Wallach released a book called "Dead Doctors Don't Lie." The premise is that the average doctor only lives until age 58 so why would you take any health advice from someone who dies a decade or two earlier than average?

These are among the many reasons I avoid western medicine, but the main reason is they have perverse financial incentives, and they focus on treating symptoms, not health.
Nearly everything in this post is either factually untrue or totally misrepresented or misunderstood.

Except for the first thing you state, which is, take accountability for your health and try not to see doctors. That always works the best, no doubt.
 

Knight.of.Logos

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
For those with health issues who do not want to go to a Western allopathic doctor, I'd strongly recommend finding a functional medicine doctor or a doctor of Chinese Medicine/acupuncturist. I have a friend who is an acupuncturist and I've learned so much about herbs that have helped some of my problems (digestion issues, situational stress and anxiety, insomnia), and the acupuncture can be really effective too (immediately lowered my stress).
 
Nearly everything in this post is either factually untrue or totally misrepresented or misunderstood.

Except for the first thing you state, which is, take accountability for your health and try not to see doctors. That always works the best, no doubt.
I've been avoiding doctors for years and every hurdle I've encountered I've pushed myself to figure out a solution for that works for me. What positive aspects of (((medicine))) do you still believe are worth retaining?
 

LightofApollo

Sparrow
Woman
The fix has been in since the beginning. The AMA was founded to promote allopathic medicine based on surgery and medications, and to discredit homeopathic medical schools and other natural-based treatments. Prior to this time, there were an equal number of respected homeopathic medical schools and physicians to the allopaths. The Rockefeller and Carnegie funded Flexner Report was also part of the Great Reset of American medicine, if you will. (Business tycoons molding the medical industry for their own profit...hmm.)

In short order, the non-Flexner approved schools were shut down and only AMA approved physicians could obtain licensure. This fabricated shortage of physicians increased their wealth greatly, as did the allopathic regime of expensive surgeries and chemicals. Why cure someone if you can "treat" them for years?
How much do you foresee osteopathy counterbalancing this allopathy?
 
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