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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Max Roscoe" data-source="post: 1458912" data-attributes="member: 17845">Not only will avoiding western doctors probably make you healthier (assuming you take your health into your own hands--you can't just eat garbage and live a terrible lifestyle and develop maladies and then ignore medical treatment) but it was a huge part of my financial independence.I have been self employed for most of my life, and therefore if I want "health insurance" I must give something like $4,000+ a year to an insurance company.  The money pays for nothing if I don't see a doctor.  They just pocket it.   While I could afford that today, for many years I could not, and $4,000 still buys an awful lot of other nice things that I would prefer to have, over the extremely weak service such a policy would give me.  Such a policy pays for very little, and in doing the math I figured I would need a $10,000 + a year medical event on average *EVERY YEAR* for insurance to be worthwhile. My gym (before the flu), good diet, good habits, and good genes have been my passport to good health.  I generally avoid alcohol, sugar, and carbs and mostly eat fish and fresh fruits and veggies, along with some supplements and vitamins.  All this costs a fraction of what interacting with the health care system does, and it makes me feel far better.I have relayed the story before about dating a doctor--the other fellow doctors would retreat to the hospital break room to look up *WEBMD* and return and tell their patients to take whatever steps WebMD recommended for their reported symptoms.  And then charge them a couple hundred dollars or so.By avoiding health insurance for almost two decades, the premiums I didn't piss away are enough to pay for a house in cash.A doctor wanted to do a knee replacement operation on me for like $15,000, which would permanently reduce my mobility (and other doctors insisted I *HAD* to have it--there was no choice), and when I asked for a second opinion he said, well you could try physical therapy for 6 weeks.  After maybe $500 of therapy I made a complete recovery, and didn't need this dangerous and permanent invasive surgery.Any medical needs I have I take care of with foreign doctors when travelling abroad (the systems are always far more efficient and cheaper, and while I cannot speak to the quality since thankfully I have been very healthy most of my life, it appears superior as well).Many are shocked to learn that the #3 cause of death in America is a doctor screwing up and accidentally killing you.  This is why I always say if you do not have #1 Heart Disease or #2 Cancer, then you should not visit a hospital, as chances are you could become one of the 300,000-400,000 unintentionally KILLED by doctors (note this does not include cases where the treatment doesn't work or has side effects that kill you, like Roosh's sister or my grandmother, so the actual number doctors kill is much higher).[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html[/URL]Dr Joel Wallach released a book called "Dead Doctors Don't Lie."  The premise is that the average doctor only lives until  age 58 so why would you take any health advice from someone who dies a decade or two earlier than average?These are among the many reasons I avoid western medicine, but the main reason is they have perverse financial incentives, and they focus on treating symptoms, not health.</blockquote>

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