What are you doing to escape the rat-race?

Douglas Quaid

Kingfisher
I think it's important to have a skill that can be used all over, like trades, accounting, engineering, IT, etc. This gives you lots of options on where to live. Having a good skill can also be a safety net to take other risks.

I also get where Travola is coming from. Unless you know what you're getting into, too rural can be hard to get used to. Medium sized cities, or smaller cities with young people can be a good middle ground. I am really starting to dislike the larger US cities though, and all the nonsense that comes with them. After you've seen enough of them, it all starts to seem like the same shit too. Insane traffic, insane politics, crime, filth, crowds everywhere, overpriced, bums everywhere, etc. All those extra people means nothing if they're annoying to be around, and having room to breathe is very underrated.

The easiest way to escape the rat race is to stop caring about keeping up with the Joneses.
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
hervens said:
NoMoreTO said:
hervens said:
This is a recurring theme I'm seeing more and more of, especially with us millenials.
Not to be rude, but I honestly think it's in part due to our generation no longer able to accept any type of hierachy or the rigidness of the most fundamental aspect of life: WORK.

Instead of trying to quit the rat race, why not try to run it instead ?

Even if you win the Rat Race, you are still a rat.
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Keeping your head down, never looking up and self analyzing, feeling you have to do what your peers do, to me is a key quality of the rat race
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The reason why most people want to quit the rat race, is because they want to do their own things and be the ones running the show.
If you learn to navigate your way around work politics and you excel at what you do, you could be doing your own thing just the same, and maybe even be steering an entire department or team to the direction you want it to go.

Yes. A big part of the rat race is taking your queues from those around you and comparing wealth, whether it be designer shoes or the size of your truck. To me these add nothing to the quality of life.

I agree with you also that how you view your job, how much you like it or have come to terms with it is a big part. I am currently working in a Gov't town. The people here have easy jobs and it makes the place and people very much, "not rat race". If you're in a big metropolitan area, you're probably a rat!

I think the pace of life is a big problem in the rat race. For instance, if someone feels like they are trapped working to support a specific lifestyle, to me they are in the rat race. "Lifestyle design" might be a little cliché, but people should be thinking about the life they want and setting their job and expenses to match that.

I drive a 2007 3 Series. I could lease a new car, or buy one. I have a friend who leases a BMW X5. For him its important what he drives. For me it isn't. If we are both taking queues from ourselves then its all fine. But lets say for instance he internally doesn't want to spend that on a vehicle, but does because he feels he somehow has to as part of his life role,... then he is a Rat!

It's similar with housing. People feel they have to upgrade rather than just relax and enjoy the home they are in. They ALWAYS need to get ahead a little more. When in reality, if you look at their lifestyle it isn't really anything to be envied. Rats never know when to stop, even when they are going down a path that isn't good for their life. So if you can stop or take your foot off the gas, change directions, that's a good sign you're not a rat.

Lastly … IF YOUR WIFE WORKS YOU'RE IN THE RAT RACE
 

STG

Robin
Travola said:
I live in a somewhat rural area. There is just not much to do. For one, the country is depopulating in rural areas. The population is aging too. While there may be people my age in mid-size towns and cities, not so in rural areas. I strongly suspect that men outnumber women as well, and, most women are overweight. One positive I guess, is that slut-shaming is prevalent and people know well who the slut is, the alcoholic, the girl sleeping with her boss, the pill popper, etc. There is so value to knowing all those things.

But, I still at the end of the day crave the anonymity of the city.

As far as culture is concerned, there are all these county music groupies, crappy classic, 80's era, rock, and limited options.

At the end of the day, you have to take risks when you're a young guy, and follow the action.

With that in mind I see myself having a rural estate one day, but unless someone is going MGTOW, I don't understand the appeal.

I moved from one of the largest cities to a very rural area. I love it and will never go back.

In a rural area you are your own man. You find things to do. You can do things you can't do even in a medium sized city. I lived both urban and rural so I don't take it for granted like those who were born here do.

The anonymity of the city is one of the factors that has degraded and destroyed civilization. American cities today are filled with foreigners, leftists, and feminists. In some places if you took a person from as late as the 1990's and put them in the modern city they would think they were in a third world country.

The infrastructure of the cities are declining and collapsing. The number of cars on the roads increase every year but the amount of roads do not. This causes more traffic each year which leads to a decline in the standard of living.

I don't like the idea of being dependent upon the system in city living. Where does your water come from? A water treatment plant. What if that plant goes down or there is nobody to run it?

Your heat and electric come from a utility company. Cities are banning fireplaces and wood heat. If your utility company can't provide for any reason and you live in an area where there is a winter you're in trouble.

The cities are dependent upon the trucks and trains for food. Its a fragile system and only about 100 years old, not exactly time tested.

What you wrote about the people and women of a rural area is accurate. The quality women usually leave to go to college as the Liberal-Marxist system demands of them. The ones that stay are usually obese, have drug problems, or are single mothers.

My old friends stayed in the city and I have kept regular contact with them. They aren't fairing well. Yes, they have more opportunities with women but those women are city women and of a low quality. They spend part of their work day sitting in traffic which I view as unpaid time on the clock. Their taxes and cost of living is almost 3 times what mine is. Their entertainment consists of going out to bars, restaurants, and traveling. Its an expensive lifestyle along with being unfulfilling and unnatural.

Travola if you have a stable home in the country you are already ahead of the millions in the cities. Many people in the cities would love to get out. I wouldn't just give that up so soon. Humans have a problem of not being able to learn from others and having to experience everything for themselves. Move to a big city and get an apartment. Try it for a few years. When the new car smell wears off you'll go back home.

I'm not a card carrying member of MGTOW but I guess that is the life I'm living. I live my life on my own terms and answer to nobody. If a quality woman comes along who shares my outlook on life and wants this lifestyle I would get married. Life is too short to wait.

Buy some cheap land in the middle of nowhere and build your own cabin with your own hands. Or you can spend your time sitting in traffic waiting to go to your cubicle and wonder what stupid ideas the HR department will come up with this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWq_BWP9KZU
 
To reiterate, I have lived in both the city and the country. Not all cities are created equal, and many cities in the South (unlike cities in Cali, the Northeast, or Chicago) actually function as they should. Mid-size towns are good options too, especially if they are prosperous or have more women.

The problem I'm faced with living in the middle of nowhere is that I'm 20+ minutes from the nearest grocery store, there are no good jobs within 20 minutes, there are no women, and there's only two bars I can easily get to within 20 minutes. And they're both full of old boomers.

For me, I have young friends in the city too. The only reason they are struggling is because they live a lifestyle outside of their means (they should live with parents or have a roommate), are taking pills or drugs or drinking heavily, and because they are fully indoctrinated into the cucked system that is pervasive in cities and corporate America. Many of them check the materialistic box, and fail to recognize it because the lack self awareness.
 

bucky

Ostrich
Travola said:
I live in a somewhat rural area. There is just not much to do. For one, the country is depopulating in rural areas. The population is aging too. While there may be people my age in mid-size towns and cities, not so in rural areas. I strongly suspect that men outnumber women as well, and, most women are overweight. One positive I guess, is that slut-shaming is prevalent and people know well who the slut is, the alcoholic, the girl sleeping with her boss, the pill popper, etc. There is so value to knowing all those things.

But, I still at the end of the day crave the anonymity of the city.

As far as culture is concerned, there are all these county music groupies, crappy classic, 80's era, rock, and limited options.

At the end of the day, you have to take risks when you're a young guy, and follow the action.

With that in mind I see myself having a rural estate one day, but unless someone is going MGTOW, I don't understand the appeal.

Yes, about taking risks. I more or less escaped the rat race as a young man. I just worked enough to save up for my next adventure, saw the world and its women, learned several languages, had a great time. I should have socked away some of that money for retirement but even though I didn't, I can't say I regret spending my youth that way. Wine and milk. A woman who had conducted herself like me would be screwed at this point, but I managed to meet a good, much younger Christian girl and get married and have a few kids. It's a good life, even though I'm totally stuck in the US office job rat race for now and probably will be at least until I'm in my 70s.

It is what it is. I'm still glad I got to all those things when I was young. I'm not really sharing this as advice for younger guys, just something to think about.
 

kel

Pelican
I think the best place to live is 20 minutes outside a medium-sized city. Something like Cleveland (I've never been there, not promoting it specifically, but size-wise). Usually smaller cities like that drop off quite quickly - there's the city, some suburban sprawl, and then it becomes open and pastoral quite quickly. This way, you can have the space and privacy, but also have access to a city with the things you need.

Travola said:
The problem I'm faced with living in the middle of nowhere is that I'm 20+ minutes from the nearest grocery store, there are no good jobs within 20 minutes, there are no women, and there's only two bars I can easily get to within 20 minutes. And they're both full of old boomers.

This is indeed an issue, one that I'm facing as I look to move out to the country. My goal, which is not easy, is to convince several others to move with me. People who want out of the degeneracy and rat-race, but don't know any other lifestyle and need some help. If you can bring a community with you you have a distinct advantage in terms of both manpower (peoplekindpower?) for the concrete stuff that needs to be done, the economic advantage of economy of scale, and equally important you have the sanity and emotional health that comes from having daily interaction with close friends.

It's not going to be easy, but this is how I'm going to do it.
 
This is indeed an issue, one that I'm facing as I look to move out to the country. My goal, which is not easy, is to convince several others to move with me. People who want out of the degeneracy and rat-race, but don't know any other lifestyle and need some help. If you can bring a community with you you have a distinct advantage in terms of both manpower (peoplekindpower?) for the concrete stuff that needs to be done, the economic advantage of economy of scale, and equally important you have the sanity and emotional health that comes from having daily interaction with close friends.

It's not going to be easy, but this is how I'm going to do it.

Moving out of the country-- why not Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, etc? Cost of living not high at all, no need for residency.

I do you not think you will find anyone that will move abroad with you.
 
Unfortunately, I have a "rat race" job and will do so for the foreseeable future. The key is finding something that is at least somewhat meaningful/profitable, which I am working on.

Besides that, I have made a lot of progress in the last few years such as:

- Prepare my own food, all healthy organic ingredients (lots of veggies and grass fed beef or fish for protein)
- Prayer and meditation every day
- Critical thinking -- reading philosophy and approaching life with a foundation of wisdom and logic
- No TV fearporn and no actual porn
- Exercising
- Constantly learning through podcasts, reading, stimulating environments and travel
- Cut down from toxic people. Now I just need to make some new connections.
- Frugal lifestyle. Goes well with stoic and simplistic mindset.
- Making progress in forgiving everybody.

Things I am aiming for in the next 10 years:

- Buying land, starting a homestead kind of thing.
- Moving out of the hectic Northeast
- Finding the right woman to start a family with.
- Keep growing and improving in mind, body, and spirit.
- Learning some new skills, carpentry, a musical instrument, getting better at gardening/growing food, making herbal medicine.
- Evolving my writing skills so I have some work to share or even publish.
 
Travola said:
This is indeed an issue, one that I'm facing as I look to move out to the country. My goal, which is not easy, is to convince several others to move with me. People who want out of the degeneracy and rat-race, but don't know any other lifestyle and need some help. If you can bring a community with you you have a distinct advantage in terms of both manpower (peoplekindpower?) for the concrete stuff that needs to be done, the economic advantage of economy of scale, and equally important you have the sanity and emotional health that comes from having daily interaction with close friends.

It's not going to be easy, but this is how I'm going to do it.

Moving out of the country-- why not Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, etc? Cost of living not high at all, no need for residency.

I do you not think you will find anyone that will move abroad with you.

Cost of living not high at all in Alaska? That's news to me. What part of Alaska are you referring to?
 

Captain Gh

Ostrich
Gold Member
bucky said:
Travola said:
I live in a somewhat rural area. There is just not much to do. For one, the country is depopulating in rural areas. The population is aging too. While there may be people my age in mid-size towns and cities, not so in rural areas. I strongly suspect that men outnumber women as well, and, most women are overweight. One positive I guess, is that slut-shaming is prevalent and people know well who the slut is, the alcoholic, the girl sleeping with her boss, the pill popper, etc. There is so value to knowing all those things.

But, I still at the end of the day crave the anonymity of the city.

As far as culture is concerned, there are all these county music groupies, crappy classic, 80's era, rock, and limited options.

At the end of the day, you have to take risks when you're a young guy, and follow the action.

With that in mind I see myself having a rural estate one day, but unless someone is going MGTOW, I don't understand the appeal.

Yes, about taking risks. I more or less escaped the rat race as a young man. I just worked enough to save up for my next adventure, saw the world and its women, learned several languages, had a great time. I should have socked away some of that money for retirement but even though I didn't, I can't say I regret spending my youth that way. Wine and milk. A woman who had conducted herself like me would be screwed at this point, but I managed to meet a good, much younger Christian girl and get married and have a few kids. It's a good life, even though I'm totally stuck in the US office job rat race for now and probably will be at least until I'm in my 70s.

It is what it is. I'm still glad I got to all those things when I was young. I'm not really sharing this as advice for younger guys, just something to think about.

From reading the beginning of your post... and then getting to the bolded part... a shiver went down my spine!!! Isn't there a needs based business you could start to possibly avoid going down this road? I know it's way easier to be an armchair business counselor... but why not at least try! From my perspective... it ain't that different from approaching the 10 that everybody's staying away from... in order to chat with the 7!

Learning The languages... getting the women... those are skills that very few Men even have the B***s to start doing! That's the area I feel retired PUA / Game Guys can really thrive in... since all the mental work's been done before by studying Game.

To be honest... with automation coming soon near us... planning on keeping an office job til retirement age scares me wayyy more than attempting to start a needs based business!
 

freeevo7

Newbie
Hello everyone!

It seems I cannot post a new thread (yet).
Has any of you thought or has information about investing in property in Venezuela? (10-15 years return - for your pension or for your children)

I am aware that I would loose everything if the political regime creates a huge crisis.

Cheers!
 

22qwert22

Pigeon
26 at the moment, Have 30k Student Debt. If things go right I can pay it off by the end of the year. I will be 27. Working a basic office job and flipping used games and stuff on the side once in a while.

I want to establish some sort of business. But there are just so many expenses in the west which that keep a person from reaching. Insurances, regulations, employee laws, Health Insurance. Taxes.

I think the developing world South East Asia has a much easier time starting something new, And is why many friends I have from Vietnam or china all own small business because they don't have regulations, don't have to hire 50% women, don't have to have an HR department and so on.
 

UnW

Kingfisher
- Living below my means
- Saving for another property
- Investing in stocks/ETFs (Well right now they aren't doing too well)
 
I started a new job in auto parts (never imagined myself doing this) at this age.

It is by far my favorite job I've had in the past several years.

There is no politics (office politics) and I'm learning skills about cars that I'll have for the rest of my life.

Also, there is no intrusive HR department. I've never been so happy, and I'm just basically paid to help people get stuff for their cars. I won't be doing this for the rest of my life. But it feels good man.

The last job I had was so much stress I would come home stressed out and drink or do other stuff to detoxify.

In the meantime I'm learning Python and planning on becoming a developer. If Corona worsens, that just means I'll have more time to learn Python.
 
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