What Are Your Thoughts on Abortion?

budoslavic

Peacock
Gold Member
Should men deserve equal reproductive rights? After all, women's groups complain about equality in everything. Men and boys were always told that abortion was for equal women's rights. Unfortunately, abortion gives women 100 percent of reproductive rights.



Women's groups should shove their equality narrative where the sun don't shine.
 

bucky

Pelican
budoslavic said:
Should men deserve equal reproductive rights? After all, women's groups complain about equality in everything. Men and boys were always told that abortion was for equal women's rights. Unfortunately, abortion gives women 100 percent of reproductive rights.



Women's groups should shove their equality narrative where the sun don't shine.
I didn't watch those clips because even thinking about that is too sad for me. This is a major argument against fornication with godless women. There are many others.
 

bucky

Pelican
Rob Banks said:
SantoDom said:
Do you think God opposes all form of abortion?...
Yes.
I suspect this is true too. While there might be some wiggle room with God for those exceptions that the left loves to bring up (rape, mom's life in danger, etc.) I'd never encourage an abortion in any case myself because at the end of the day you're murdering a baby, and I'd rather err on the side of not being a murderer or accessory to murder.

Leftists will throw out statistics about lack of access to abortion disproportionally affecting minorities and the poor and things like that, which might well be true, but my response is always "yes, but you're still murdering a baby."
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
bucky said:
Rob Banks said:
SantoDom said:
Do you think God opposes all form of abortion?...
Yes.
I suspect this is true too. While there might be some wiggle room with God for those exceptions that the left loves to bring up (rape, mom's life in danger, etc.)...
I'll paraphrase Ben Shapiro:

Rapists should be castrated or killed. That doesn't mean we get to kill babies.

Also, something I haven't heard anyone on the right talk about is the risk that allowing abortions "only in the case of rape" would lead to an increase in false rape allegations.

As far as "the mom's life in danger," you should watch videos of Dr. Anthony Levatino on Youtube. He is a former abortion doctor who now speaks out against abortion. He claims that NEVER in all his years as a doctor have they had to kill a baby because the mother's life is in danger. Situations where the fetus presents a threat to the mother's life tend to only happen in the third trimester when the fetus is already viable, and at that point, if the mother's life is in danger, they simply deliver the baby (prematurely) but they do not kill it. In fact, Dr. Levatino claims that an abortion procedure that late in pregnancy is far more likely to threaten the mother's life than simply delivering the baby.


bucky said:
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Leftists will throw out statistics about lack of access to abortion disproportionally affecting minorities...
In New York City (where I grew up), more black babies are aborted each year than born. Think about that for a second.

EDIT: I thought you said "abortion disproportionally affects minorities," not "lack of abortion." I was surprised because that would mean leftists actually got something right.
 

Number one bummer

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Rape, incest, and the life of the mother are largely legal hypothetical thought experiments used to guilt people into feeling logically inconsistent. I'd challenge anyone to find an actual 'life of the mother' case, they don't exist because it's purely a hypothetical. Studies have shown that a majority of people support pro-life hypothetical arguments, one common example is say you woke up with an innocent person connected to your body and this person needed to be connected to you for a few months before they could be safely separated, do you have the right to kill them before hand? Most people don't find the justification to kill that person even if they are unintentionally burdensome. If you can get away from the "muh clump cells" or "fetus doesn't mean baby" type of illogical claims, then most people see the moral light. However, leftist social framers have been able to obscure a simple logical conclusion by attempting to blur the lines of person-hood into brutal utilitarian claims which will eventually be used to justify murdering undesirables such as the elderly or non-socialists. They clearly realized that their early humanist arguments about removing the "negroid race," as Sanger put it, didn't really mesh with their modern identity politics.

Abortion is a bright-line test proving that people are not inherently good. I understand most anti-abortionists are in favor of relieving the mothers from criminal liability while prosecuting the doctors and nurses that perform them. I just can't get over the number of women that are ok with killing their own children and even the ones that seem proud about it. I struggle to see how mankind has lasted this long if there is allowed such a hatred against babies being allowed to fester. I think being pro-choice should be an untenable red flag for anyone seeking an LTR and has any christian faith.
 

tomtud

Pelican

Rob Banks

Pelican
Number one bummer said:
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Studies have shown that a majority of people support pro-life hypothetical arguments, one common example is say you woke up with an innocent person connected to your body and this person needed to be connected to you for a few months before they could be safely separated, do you have the right to kill them before hand? Most people don't find the justification to kill that person even if they are unintentionally burdensome...
The difference between this hypothetical example and abortion is that, contrary to what leftists claim, the motivation behind abortion is not the burden of the actual pregnancy but rather the burden of taking care of the child after birth.

Number one bummer said:
...I understand most anti-abortionists are in favor of relieving the mothers from criminal liability while prosecuting the doctors and nurses that perform them...
I remember pro-lifers getting on Trump's case when he said the mothers should be punished if they have abortions.

This is so ridiculous. If a person hires a hitman to kill their young child (or their husband, wife, etc.), should you throw the hitman in jail but let the person who hired the hitman off the hook?
 

bucky

Pelican
Number one bummer said:
Rape, incest, and the life of the mother are largely legal hypothetical thought experiments used to guilt people into feeling logically inconsistent.
Yes. That applies to a large number of the left's gotcha allegedly "logical" arguments. Think of some incredibly rare and unlikely case to justify an insane or evil talking point. It's maddening.

Number one bummer said:
I'd challenge anyone to find an actual 'life of the mother' case, they don't exist because it's purely a hypothetical.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're probably right. I certainly can't think of any, not that I'm a doctor.

Number one bummer said:
Abortion is a bright-line test proving that people are not inherently good....I just can't get over the number of women that are ok with killing their own children and even the ones that seem proud about it.
Yes, again. Sometimes when I'm at my desk at work or sitting in traffic or whatever it will occur to me that a large number of the people around me, maybe most of them, are perfectly fine with the idea of murdering a baby because the baby's existence is inconvenient. It's incredibly depressing. This world really is Satan's kingdom.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
Batman_ said:
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b) women can choose to have an abortion even if the man wants to keep it
c) if a man doesn't want to raise a child, the woman can decide to keep it and still force him to pay child support
I love how we use the phrase "decide to keep it" as if the baby was some commodity that we can choose to keep or throw away.

Can you imagine if a man killed his wife and then told the judge "I just couldn't/didn't want to keep her."
 

bucky

Pelican
Rob Banks said:
Batman_ said:
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b) women can choose to have an abortion even if the man wants to keep it
c) if a man doesn't want to raise a child, the woman can decide to keep it and still force him to pay child support
I love how we use the phrase "decide to keep it" as if the baby was some commodity that we can choose to keep or throw away.

Can you imagine if a man killed his wife and then told the judge "I just couldn't/didn't want to keep her."
Dark but funny. Made me laugh out loud. I hadn't thought of it that way, but it's a good point.

A long time ago I used to work in a hospital fixing computers. I was at a nursing station working on a machine and the nurses were all big city liberal type women and one gay man. They happened to be talking about a late term pregnant woman who had been in that day and how the baby would respond to its mothers voice, kick when she said certain things, things like that. I almost involuntarily blurted out "yeah, and imagine how some people would say it's not a human life and it's fine to kill it."

Stunned and angry silence from the nurses, but there wasn't much they could say. I imagine nowadays I'd be likely to get a warning or even fired, but at the time I got away with it.
 

kel

Pelican
You couldn't say "her", the whole crux of the matter is dehumanizing the "cluster of cells" and focusing entirely on the "woman" (not mother). Abortion supporters have been very good at setting this frame both in the media and in their day-to-day conversations. They mess up sometimes, but you'll very rarely here them say "baby" or "mother", they'll say "woman" and at worst "tissue" or "cluster of cells" or maybe "fetus" but mostly they avoid talking about it at all, they don't want your mind to go there for even a second and to frame this entirely as a muh oppressed wahman.

One of the ways to fight back on this is to talk about the baby more and make a point to use (accurate) terms like "mother", "baby", "child" etc. People don't realize how much these little things matter in setting the tone, but the abortion industry definitely does, they have whole departments dedicated to this. It's a very lopsided battle, as are they all in currentyear.

Repost because it's worth it. Dude got banned from Twitter recently, only a matter of time before YouTube follows suit, so be sure to follow him on BitChute.

 

Towgunner

Woodpecker
budoslavic said:
The mentally unfit women in the video belongs in a Mental Institution.

What a bunch of obnoxious worthless assholes. People like that, and I'm sorry they're all on the left, are just assholes. And what's worse, they're undeserved assholes. Those two women are scum. They have no business being fresh to anyone. And for that matter , they're fat and hideously ugly. This is very common among leftist for sure, but also for abortion activists. You'd think it be the opposite. After all, who the fuck would want to have sex with those bogus landwhales. I think abortion and all that is a manifestation of self hatred. Those two things know just what they are and they wish they could be something else but the can't. So, they hate. They hate because they're jealous and envious of others. It makes sense they want to abort their own babies...why wouldn't they. They both hate themselves, so of course they hate their progeny. But that's the left wing for you.
 

Garuda

Woodpecker
Unfortunately those same mentally unfit types also run the capital city of Minnesota. I've concluded they worship death because of this and the fact that the homicide rate there is spiraling out of control and they've done nothing about it.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/n...-approves-Abortion-Providers-Appreciation-Day

St. Paul City Council approves Abortion Providers Appreciation Day

Written By: Frederick Melo / St. Paul Pioneer Press | Mar 4th 2020 - 6pm

The St. Paul City Council waded into a national debate over abortion access Wednesday, March 4.

By a vote of 7-0, the council approved a resolution recognizing March 10 as Abortion Providers Appreciation Day in St. Paul.

The timing of the resolution — which drew no public discussion — was no accident. The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday took a case involving a Louisiana law that requires doctors performing abortions to have admitting privileges at hospitals no more than 30 miles away.

The resolution specifically recognizes the memory of Dr. David Gunn, an abortion provider shot and killed on March 10, 1993 in Florida. It was sponsored by four of the seven council members: Rebecca Noecker, Nelsie Yang, Dai Thao and Jane Prince.

The St. Paul resolution notes that the National Abortion Federation’s 2018 statistics on violence and disruption “found an alarming escalation in incidences of obstruction, vandalism, and trespassing at abortion clinics.”

The resolution states: “The Supreme Court of the United States now contains a majority of Justices who may not interpret the Constitution to provide protection for the right to end a pregnancy and may overturn or severely limit Roe v. Wade, which includes the threat of women patients and abortion providers being arrested and sent to jail.”
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
Garuda said:
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The resolution states: “The Supreme Court of the United States now contains a majority of Justices who may not interpret the Constitution to provide protection for the right to end a pregnancy and may overturn or severely limit Roe v. Wade, which includes the threat of women patients and abortion providers being arrested and sent to jail."
You mean to tell me the U.S. constitution does not provide the right to kill children? And it allows killers to be (gasp) sent to jail?

Oh, the horror!
 
aeroektar said:
Look at this disgusting demon.

You should be ashamed and quiet. That is the natural response to an abortion even for women who don't view it as outright murder. That is exactly how women should feel. And they should do it silently, shed a tear.

She is projecting the very thing that she inwardly feels as a kind of rebellion against the divine. She is describing emotions that she actually feels.
 

bucky

Pelican
Simeon_Strangelight said:
aeroektar said:
Look at this disgusting demon.

You should be ashamed and quiet. That is the natural response to an abortion even for women who don't view it as outright murder. That is exactly how women should feel. And they should do it silently, shed a tear.

She is projecting the very thing that she inwardly feels as a kind of rebellion against the divine. She is describing emotions that she actually feels.
So...I'm not always the sharpest tool in the shed, but it sounded to me like she was saying that her life is great because she was allowed to murder her baby when she was fifteen years old. She has a cool car and a career now and, to her, that's well worth killing an inconvenient baby.

"Demonic" sounds like a fair adjective to me. Did I miss something?
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
I just came across this sad but touching story when it was referenced in a speech by an anti-abortion activist. I thought I would share it here (warning: graphic pictures).

My Dr made every effort to make sure I had all of my questions answered. She even took the time to talk to my midwife personally and gave me her number in case my mom, an OB nurse, had any questions...They encouraged us to hold and bond with our son...I held him, cuddled him, while his heart was beating I held him to my heart, I counted his toes and kissed his tiny head. I will always cherish those memories that I have of him.
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In his short life of just a few minutes he has touched more lives then I ever could have imagined. I have gotten messages from people all around the country who have experienced a loss or were just touched by his story. I’ve even had a few people tell me that they were able to use his photos to reach out to a hurting woman who was contemplating an abortion. Just because the child within can not be seen by us does not mean that it is a blob of cells. Walter was perfectly formed and very active in the womb. If he had just a few short more weeks he would have had a fighting chance at life. I don’t understand why the Lord took him home, but I have to trust in his perfect timing. I may never know why, but it is a comfort to know where he is and that I will see him again. For now, he’s with his heavenly father who loves him unmeasurably more then I, as his earthly mother ever could.
 
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