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<blockquote data-quote="Alan Roebuck" data-source="post: 1569002" data-attributes="member: 24542"><p>With respect to the post’s criticisms of Calvinism:</p><p></p><p>I) “[Calvinism] depicts a God who arbitrarily saves some people and damns others.”</p><p></p><p>Ephesians 1:3—5:</p><p></p><p>Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,…</p><p></p><p>Romans 9:14—16:</p><p></p><p>What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.</p><p></p><p>II) “[Calvinism believes that] God actually decrees the Fall of mankind”</p><p></p><p>Ephesians 1:11:</p><p></p><p>…in him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will…</p><p></p><p>III) “…the gentle Christ who woos His bride..”</p><p></p><p>John 15:16:</p><p></p><p>You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.</p><p></p><p>Act 13:48:</p><p></p><p>And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.</p><p></p><p>IV) “Rather, this is a capricious, erratic, vengeful ‘God,’ who saves some men and damns others ‘for His glory’ (a phrase used often by Calvin and turned into something of a slogan by Calvinists).”</p><p></p><p>Romans 9:22—23:</p><p></p><p>What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory…</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alan Roebuck, post: 1569002, member: 24542"] With respect to the post’s criticisms of Calvinism: I) “[Calvinism] depicts a God who arbitrarily saves some people and damns others.” Ephesians 1:3—5: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,… Romans 9:14—16: What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. II) “[Calvinism believes that] God actually decrees the Fall of mankind” Ephesians 1:11: …in him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will… III) “…the gentle Christ who woos His bride..” John 15:16: You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. Act 13:48: And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed. IV) “Rather, this is a capricious, erratic, vengeful ‘God,’ who saves some men and damns others ‘for His glory’ (a phrase used often by Calvin and turned into something of a slogan by Calvinists).” Romans 9:22—23: What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory… [/QUOTE]
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