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Message: <blockquote data-quote="josemiguel" data-source="post: 1569685" data-attributes="member: 23030">How is one responsible for the chives of another? This only holds if human will is predetermined by God as you claim. Heart of the issue anthropologically here: will is proper to nature in Orthodoxy, Calvin a nominalist. Fatalism: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A doctrine that events are fixed in advance so that human beings are powerless to change them also a belief in or attitude determined by this doctrine. Example: Fatalism that regards social problems as simply inevitable.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The belief that what will happen has already been decided and cannot be changed.</li> </ul>You are a fatalist who just described fatalism. Then human will is not free, because in the ordinary sense the human chose nothing, it was chosen already for the human. That is the Orthodox position.</blockquote>