What convinced you Satan is real?

paternos

paternos

Pelican
Catholic
Because he speaks to me.

For long I have thought there is no good and evil. That it's all in the mind of the receiver.

This turned out to be a very degenerate philosophy. Evil.

I know perfectly when I do good. Good needs no affirmation, no kind words, no prizes, good is good. Good is calm.

I know perfectly when I listen to satan. I start to lie. Hide. Laugh it away. Become overly kind.

Does it withstand the light is the ultimate test for me.

When we let darkness in. It completely takes over.

Modern society teaches us to be happy. Do whatever makes you happy. What do you want to do in life? Do what makes you feel happy.

Always happy.

Isn't that what hell is. Living the lie of constant happiness while your soul burns in hell with a smile on your face.

I changed my perspective.

I want to be a good man. That's my bar I live to. What I ask myself before going to bed. Was I a good man today? Did I do god's will?

This goal needs different virtues:
- discipline
- evenmindedness
- courage
- honesty

Virtues that Satan hates.
 
Mike_Key

Mike_Key

Woodpecker
@BerkhofBerghof

The above video is ok / average. It's very word-salad like and confusing to someone that doesn't know much. Dr. Jordan Cooper is ambivalent, stop and go, a little yes and no - on this topic. I also watched his first video on Deliverance. The same thing was happening in that video as well. He's a Lutheran through and through.

As I've asked with similar people, does his Lutheran Church accept Crackheads?

Satan is very much out there (killing, stealing and destroying) and the more I've learned - the more I see God's rules in play (and Thank God for those rules / discussions that hold Satan back), his protection for 'lack of knowledge' Christians and his angels at work.

Satan's works:
Twerking
Rap music/Liquid metal/Taylor Swift
Pants around the butt
TikTok
Trannys and gender identity
Divorce
Affairs
Drugs (meth, crack, acid, cocaine, heroin, fentanyl, etc)
Alcoholism
Sluts
Knaves
Robbery
Knife killings
Gun killings
Car crashes
Fires
Gambling addiction
Rape (as in many homosexuals had been raped and they have been known to molest and rape kids)
Fake MeToo
Fake "investigations"

The list goes on and on ... but let's not panic. : )

By the way, yes, I'm starting to believe more and more that we are like Job. You see, Satan had a discussion with God about Job. It stands to reason that he too has conversations with God concerning you and me. Remember, it's God's will that we are not lukewarm.

Yes, this list of horrible things exists, but there is hope because God does bless us too. His words says that even the wicked people will bless you. I've seen that in my life. My current employment was offered to me by a mighty non-Christian Jewish guy. I think it's wise to see both sides of the spiritual realm; despair and evil as compared to hope and wisdom/blessings.

John 3:16
 
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BerkhofBerghof

Sparrow
Protestant
Mike_Key said:
@BerkhofBerghof

The above video is ok / average. It's very word-salad like and confusing to someone that doesn't know much. Dr. Jordan Cooper is ambivalent, stop and go, a little yes and no - on this topic. I also watched his first video on Deliverance. The same thing was happening in that video as well. He's a Lutheran through and through.

As I've asked with similar people, does his Lutheran Church accept Crackheads?

Satan is very much out there (killing, stealing and destroying) and the more I've learned - the more I see God's rules in play (and Thank God for those rules / discussions that hold Satan back), his protection for 'lack of knowledge' Christians and his angels at work.

Satan's works:
Twerking
Rap music/Liquid metal/Taylor Swift
Pants around the butt
TikTok
Trannys and gender identity
Divorce
Affairs
Drugs (meth, crack, acid, cocaine, heroin, fentanyl, etc)
Alcoholism
Sluts
Knaves
Robbery
Knife killings
Gun killings
Car crashes
Fires
Gambling addiction
Rape (as in many homosexuals had been raped and they have been known to molest and rape kids)
Fake MeToo
Fake "investigations"

The list goes on and on ... but let's not panic. : )

By the way, yes, I'm starting to believe more and more that we are like Job. You see, Satan had a discussion with God about Job. It stands to reason that he too has conversations with God concerning you and me. Remember, it's God's will that we are not lukewarm.

Yes, this list of horrible things exists, but there is hope because God does bless us too. His words says that even the wicked people will bless you. I've seen that in my life. My current employment was offered to me by a mighty non-Christian Jewish guy. I think it's wise to see both sides of the spiritual realm; despair and evil as compared to hope and wisdom/blessings.

John 3:16
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All the people he mentioned have something in common - they lied. The lie is the foundation of all cults and all evil. There is no need to go crazy over every cult and person, it is just necessary to see them as what they are: lies.

Every Church should accept crackheads. If they can partake in holy communion is another question. I don't know what this is about.
 
Mike_Key

Mike_Key

Woodpecker
BerkhofBerghof said:
All the people he mentioned have something in common - they lied. The lie is the foundation of all cults and all evil. There is no need to go crazy over every cult and person, it is just necessary to see them as what they are: lies.

Every Church should accept crackheads. If they can partake in holy communion is another question. I don't know what this is about.
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I'll try to explain.

It's challenging to hear a preacher like Dr. Cooper sound slightly like an apologist for the enemy. I don't say this strongly, but to some degree he speaks poorly of these people and seems to feel guilt for these people's actions of "accusing" the enemy. Yes, the one guy of three (3) flipped back and forth - even supposedly opening an Mystic/occult shop (I wonder if that is even true -- must we rely on Snopes for Fact Checking - Snopes made up of a divorced couple, a prostitute and a cat? Inside Joke. Must we rely on Wikipedia, not too good of a source.).

For me, these people did what they did and said what they said; if it's bad, then God can turn it into good. How much air-time was given to apologizing to satan. Another thing, in the Old Testament didn't we hear of a guy that took or stole another guy's blessing - birthright. And wasn't there bad feelings about it, maybe even the one guy hated the other guy. Yes, you shoudn't lie and you shouldn't hate. I've noticed that leaders put themselves out there. It takes a certain personality - should they then lie after being a Type A individual? No, not at all. But this is why some people are clearly chosen for a time to lead, while others are not - the others, they are too shy and cowardly (although I leave room for spiritual intervention - yet those personality too are strong). And too, I've seen some crazy things in my life. Like Chappell said "Don't call a man crazy, that's dismissive." I'm about to write another post here on this thread that will sound crazy and many people will not believe it at all, but it's very true. (Pages 1-10 hold some of my other crazy yet true stories). These men said they were a part of satanic rituals and practices, take it or leave it. Glean from it or not. Even Dr. Cooper said that he saw weird things and someone did encantations over him as a child, he said he saw a plate of dinner food fly off the table, the door knob twist with no one there and the curtains blow in the air when the windows weren't open. Take it or leave it, i.e. bigger fish to fry.

As for the crackhead comment:

I find it interesting that Christians divide themselves by names and extras (sacraments/rituals). So long as you worship (and believe) Father God and Jesus Christ of Nazareth (accepting help from the Helper, the Holy Spirit; I think you are in good shape. So Dr. Cooper is Lutheran and what I've found after listening to him for more than 2 hours - he too is biased by his classification of Lutheran. In his deliverance study, he read 3 books, but laughed and said that his favorite book was written by, coincidentally, the Lutheran author. He even read Dr. Richard Gallagher's book on exorcisms. I'm a Protestant, but I like/love Dr. Gallagher's book, yet I can't admit this to other Protestants (because it is a Catholic author). See some Churches think they are the true Church. So then I interject - where do the Crackheads go? Are they invited? (keep in mind, I wouldn't trust a crackhead until about 20 years sober, Lol - but yes, they too need to be saved)

Hopefully this post made some sense and explained a bit.

John 3:16
 
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BerkhofBerghof

Sparrow
Protestant
Mike_Key said:
I'll try to explain.

It's challenging to hear a preacher like Dr. Cooper sound slightly like an apologist for the enemy. I don't say this strongly, but to some degree he speaks poorly of these people and seems to feel guilt for these people's actions of "accusing" the enemy. Yes, the one guy of three (3) flipped back and forth - even supposedly opening an Mystic/occult shop (I wonder if that is even true -- must we rely on Snopes for Fact Checking - Snopes made up of a divorced couple, a prostitute and a cat? Inside Joke. Must we rely on Wikipedia, not too good of a source.).

For me, these people did what they did and said what they said; if it's bad, then God can turn it into good. How much air-time was given to apologizing to satan. Another thing, in the Old Testament didn't we hear of a guy that took or stole another guy's blessing - birthright. And wasn't there bad feelings about it, maybe even the one guy hated the other guy. Yes, you shoudn't lie and you shouldn't hate. I've noticed that leaders put themselves out there. It takes a certain personality - should they then lie after being a Type A individual? No, not at all. But this is why some people are clearly chosen for a time to lead, while others are not - the others, they are too shy and cowardly (although I leave room for spiritual intervention - yet those personality too are strong). And too, I've seen some crazy things in my life. Like Chappell said "Don't call a man crazy, that's dismissive." I'm about to write another post here on this thread that will sound crazy and many people will not believe it at all, but it's very true. (Pages 1-10 hold some of my other crazy yet true stories). These men said they were a part of satanic rituals and practices, take it or leave it. Glean from it or not. Even Dr. Cooper said that he saw weird things and someone did encantations over him as a child, he said he saw a plate of dinner food fly off the table, the door knob twist with no one there and the curtains blow in the air when the windows weren't open. Take it or leave it, i.e. bigger fish to fry.

As for the crackhead comment:

I find it interesting that Christians divide themselves by names and extras (sacraments/rituals). So long as you worship (and believe) Father God and Jesus Christ of Nazareth (accepting help from the Helper, the Holy Spirit; I think you are in good shape. So Dr. Cooper is Lutheran and what I've found after listening to him for more than 2 hours - he too is biased by his classification of Lutheran. In his deliverance study, he read 3 books, but laughed and said that his favorite book was written by, coincidentally, the Lutheran author. He even read Dr. Richard Gallagher's book on exorcisms. I'm a Protestant, but I like/love Dr. Gallagher's book, yet I can't admit this to other Protestants (because it is a Catholic author). See some Churches think they are the true Church. So then I interject - where do the Crackheads go? Are they invited? (keep in mind, I wouldn't trust a crackhead until about 20 years sober, Lol - but yes, they too need to be saved)

Hopefully this post made some sense and explained a bit.

John 3:16
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Sure does make sense. These things are hard to catch, there is much walking around in the fog.
 
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jamdef

 
Banned
Protestant
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rodion

Woodpecker
Orthodox
When I turned back to Christianity, I accepted the teachings of the church on Satan and demons, even if I was at first unable to fully understand it.

However, it was reading about un-edifying topics such as serial killers that truly convinced me. I read a book called "Programmed to Kill" by Dave McGowan because I had always had issues with the "oh they're just crazy and had a bad upbringing" explanation for the depraved acts of such people. The book goes into all the strange connections between different killers, CIA activity, occult connections and genuinely distressing accounts of things like the McMartin private school and the things that went on there.

There's a quotation from a European newspaper in relation to the discovery of paedophilia in high places in belgium that said something like "you'd be surprised at how many seemingly well-adjusted and successful people derive pleasure from seeing children tortured." I just could no longer see any explanation for this without a theology of demons and satan.
 
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OrthodoxLaity

 
Banned
Orthodox
The existence of Leftists such as the Communists, Socialists, Liberals and SJWs has convinced me that Satan is real.

I have a thread on this subject:

The Left is Worse than the Right

Though religious people are often accused by atheists of committing atrocities such as killing heretics and waging holy wars where people are forcibly converted to the respective religion, the Communists are the most evil people in the world because they killed a total of 133,000,000 people in...
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Stoyan

Stoyan

 
Banned
Orthodox
Stoyan said:
Although I don't have direct proof that The Satan is real, I have been convinced that there exist quite a multitude of different demons, aliens, ghouls, shadow beings, and so on.

For some time during my teenhood I liked to read scary stories of various paranormal encounters, just as entertainment. At first I just thought that these stories were made up, fictional stories, just for fun. But as I started reading more and more about them, two things stood out that made me think if these stories were actually real ones. First is how people actually claimed to have encountered these entities, often being traumatized by the experience, and many times they would add more details if you asked them. The second thing is that not all, but the majority of these stories have very many common elements to them. So many similarities between these stories there are in fact, that it hints us of the validity of this phenomenon. I concluded that many of these hauntings are real.

The list of similarities and common elements that I can list off the top of my head:

  • Many of these entities come during the night, in dark places such as caves, deep in the woods, or in places not frequented by humans.
  • They feed on negative emotions of humans such as fear, anger, pain, and lust.
  • Sights of these entities is coorelated to states of altered consciousness, such as drunk, drugged, hypnosis, sleep paralysis.
  • Many experiences are dream like, or looking like hallucinations, or accessible only via reverse hypnosis.
  • Many such entities, even those which look like stereotypical gray aliens, do not appear to use technology, but rather psychological methods, such as mind control, hypnosis, altering memories, telepathy, levitation.
  • It seems that these entities can shape shift at will, appearing as a red horned demon, gray alien, or red cap gnome, depending on the expectations of the abductee. This seems to suggest that they can read minds. They come in a variety of different shapes and sizes.
  • Abductees recall having no sound while in the presence of these entities.
  • People can feel themselves being watched, like the attention of these entities is a conscious effort which can be sensed.
  • Animals can allegedly see these entities when they are disguised, even if they are invisible to humans.
  • Sometimes radiation sickness is attributed to encounters with such entities.
  • Sometimes a sulfuric stench is associated.
  • Abductees associate a lost or distorted sense of time in such encounters.
  • These entities are attracted to places where there is negative energy, where there were murders or satanic rituals performed.
  • They come from a parallel plane/dimension, a spirit world.
  • Apparently some of these entities come out of portals in old doorways, circular arches, between two trees, stairs in the woods, suddenly appearing hiking trails that weren't there before.
  • They are attracted to weak willed people, such as unorganized people or addicts.
  • There have been cases when someone was being followed by such entities, and able to stave off an attack just by being consciously aware and attentive of surroundings, such as not falling asleep.
  • Getting drunk too much causing people to black out, allows these entities to posess people and do crazy things such as fight and rape people. The posessed person has no memory of what happened.
  • Evil entities apparently do not attacked unprovoked, but they need someone to knowingly or unknowingly invite them in or stumble upon them, such as by curiosity. Sometimes they try to lure people deep into the forest and trick them.
  • They are repelled by love and faith.
  • They are repelled by the mere mention of the name of Jesus Christ. Praying makes them feel uncomfortable.

I'm not making this up. It's just what I've read on the internet. If these stories are indeed a psy-op then it's the biggest one of all time, with thousands of hired trolls and bots writing such stories. But I'm more inclined that these are actual stories about encounters with entities, which have been known as demons, ghouls, aliens, etc.

These are the sites where I have been reading these stories.

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This is actually my conclusions based on original research of the posts on these websites.

Now I've found books by two authors which validate my findings. These authors have studied paranormal phenomenon for many years, and they have come to the same conclusions, that I had come to without reading their books.

  • "Passport to Magonia" by Jacques Valle
  • "UFOs: The Demonic Connection" by Seraphim Rose
 
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julzza

Pigeon
Other Christian
Stoyan said:
Although I don't have direct proof that The Satan is real, I have been convinced that there exist quite a multitude of different demons, aliens, ghouls, shadow beings, and so on.

For some time during my teenhood I liked to read scary stories of various paranormal encounters, just as entertainment. At first I just thought that these stories were made up, fictional stories, just for fun. But as I started reading more and more about them, two things stood out that made me think if these stories were actually real ones. First is how people actually claimed to have encountered these entities, often being traumatized by the experience, and many times they would add more details if you asked them. The second thing is that not all, but the majority of these stories have very many common elements to them. So many similarities between these stories there are in fact, that it hints us of the validity of this phenomenon. I concluded that many of these hauntings are real.

The list of similarities and common elements that I can list off the top of my head:

  • Many of these entities come during the night, in dark places such as caves, deep in the woods, or in places not frequented by humans.
  • They feed on negative emotions of humans such as fear, anger, pain, and lust.
  • Sights of these entities is coorelated to states of altered consciousness, such as drunk, drugged, hypnosis, sleep paralysis.
  • Many experiences are dream like, or looking like hallucinations, or accessible only via reverse hypnosis.
  • Many such entities, even those which look like stereotypical gray aliens, do not appear to use technology, but rather psychological methods, such as mind control, hypnosis, altering memories, telepathy, levitation.
  • It seems that these entities can shape shift at will, appearing as a red horned demon, gray alien, or red cap gnome, depending on the expectations of the abductee. This seems to suggest that they can read minds. They come in a variety of different shapes and sizes.
  • Abductees recall having no sound while in the presence of these entities.
  • People can feel themselves being watched, like the attention of these entities is a conscious effort which can be sensed.
  • Animals can allegedly see these entities when they are disguised, even if they are invisible to humans.
  • Sometimes radiation sickness is attributed to encounters with such entities.
  • Sometimes a sulfuric stench is associated.
  • Abductees associate a lost or distorted sense of time in such encounters.
  • These entities are attracted to places where there is negative energy, where there were murders or satanic rituals performed.
  • They come from a parallel plane/dimension, a spirit world.
  • Apparently some of these entities come out of portals in old doorways, circular arches, between two trees, stairs in the woods, suddenly appearing hiking trails that weren't there before.
  • They are attracted to weak willed people, such as unorganized people or addicts.
  • There have been cases when someone was being followed by such entities, and able to stave off an attack just by being consciously aware and attentive of surroundings, such as not falling asleep.
  • Getting drunk too much causing people to black out, allows these entities to posess people and do crazy things such as fight and rape people. The posessed person has no memory of what happened.
  • Evil entities apparently do not attacked unprovoked, but they need someone to knowingly or unknowingly invite them in or stumble upon them, such as by curiosity. Sometimes they try to lure people deep into the forest and trick them.
  • They are repelled by love and faith.
  • They are repelled by the mere mention of the name of Jesus Christ. Praying makes them feel uncomfortable.

I'm not making this up. It's just what I've read on the internet. If these stories are indeed a psy-op then it's the biggest one of all time, with thousands of hired trolls and bots writing such stories. But I'm more inclined that these are actual stories about encounters with entities, which have been known as demons, ghouls, aliens, etc.

These are the sites where I have been reading these stories.

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werewolf, dracula, mummy, phantom, jekyll and hyde.
mostly dead or split between two natures.
their father is the devil.
and their spirit is the beast.
predator and prey.

"truly, truly, i tell you, whoever does not enter the sheepfold
by the gate, but climbs in some other way, is a thief and a robber."

"the thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.
i have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness."

(john 10:1-10)
 
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Akaky Akakievitch

Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
julzza said:


werewolf, dracula, mummy, phantom, jekyll and hyde.
mostly dead or split between two natures.
their father is the devil.
and their spirit is the beast.
predator and prey.

"truly, truly, i tell you, whoever does not enter the sheepfold
by the gate, but climbs in some other way, is a thief and a robber."

"the thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.
i have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness."

(john 10:1-10)

our governments have been stolen.
abortion feeds the beast.
the beast grows.

vampirism.
cannibalism.
paganism.
animal sacrifice.
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To think of how many times I've had this song drilled through my ears while growing up, with the lyrics "everybody... rock your body..." ad infinitum - now I can see and hear the demons and fallen spirits, whereas before I saw popstars in costume. Lord have mercy.
 
Stoyan

Stoyan

 
Banned
Orthodox
I find traditional Japanese mythology fascinating. This mythology has a myriad of many different creatures, monsters, non-human beings and spirits. I am able to consider the idea that these creatures actually existed at some time in the past, in one way or another. It would be inordinate to say however, that necessarily all of these figures in the traditional Japanese mythology were demons. Some of the spirits helped heroes, and others while not necessarily being evil, were simply self-centered.

While it would be inordinate to demonize the traditional Japanese mythology as a whole, there are some relevent to the discussion things can be found within it. Specifically I would like to discuss such entities as the traditional Japanese demons. These guys have been specifically historically referred to as demons by the Japanese, out of all the different other figures in this mythology.

It is interesting that the traditional Japanese demons look very similar to the traditional Christian demons in the European mythology: red skin, horns, fangs, ugly face. And it is thought that the Japanese came up with this mythology independently of the Europeans.

It is possible the both the Japanese and the Europeans took this image of the mythological demon from an even earlier predecessor civilization, a single mother civilization of all the other civilizations, which extended over the entire planet at some point in the past, before breaking up into the local and regional civilizations which have extant to the present day. Although the official secular western "science" rejects the notion of such an ancient mother civilization, the common cultural practices among the various different civilizations, information about which is actively suppressed by the west, certainly seeks to form a complete picture, from which we can reverse engineer what the ancient culture of this proto-civilization was like.

But there is another theory that I can put forward. In ancient times people used to make hallucinogenic drugs out of natural wild grasses and mushrooms. Modern day users of such drugs as LSD and DMT have consistently reported seeing the same entities, even if these people had no previous expectations about the experience, and had no prior contacts with each other. Statistical analysis of hundreds of such cases shows a persistent common phenomenon, that even first time users of the drugs have seen a certain subset of the same entities, again and again.

It has been said that the human being is a soul in a meatsuit, rather than just the meatsuit, as the official western atheistic institutions claim. It is thought that drugs such as LSD and DMT do something to the brain that cause the soul to get ejected from the meatsuit on Earth, and enter into another parallel realm, where the soul encounters entities which are native to that realm. In other words, the visions that people see when they take these drugs aren't actually transient hallucinations, they are actual things which are existing, just in a parallel realm, within which the user's soul is temporarily present for the duration of the experience.

So is it possible that ancient peoples, such as both Japanese and Europeans, took some kind of mushrooms, which caused their souls to be teleported into the other realm, within which they saw these same demons, and then these stories eventually made it into the mythology. In that case, it would seem to suggest that the red horned demons archetypes actually exist, maybe not on Earth, but somewhere, where the human soul should not normally be.

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Stoyan

Stoyan

 
Banned
Orthodox
Enoch said:
The trickster demons who opposed Buddha (tengu) have comically long noses. Oy vey!
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I think in the traditional European mythology there was also some kind of long nosed entity which lied to people, and it's nose grew the more it lied. Maybe Scandinavian, I'm not sure.

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While we are on the topic of cultural connections between civilizations, I would like to point out that this demon here is depicted wearing traditional Japanese clothing. Obviously the demon has been Anthropomorphicized. Baggy pants such as these have commonly been worn in Russia, that weapon looks like Mesoamerican (Mayan/Aztec), and such tattoos are looking like traditional Polynesian ones.
 
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julzza

Pigeon
Other Christian
Akaky Akakievitch said:
To think of how many times I've had this song drilled through my ears while growing up, with the lyrics "everybody... rock your body..." ad infinitum - now I can see and hear the demons and fallen spirits, whereas before I saw popstars in costume. Lord have mercy.
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costumes ultimately show what is worshiped.
nurse uniform worships science.
trannies worship females.

marshall mcluhan has a joke
about a boy helping a nun
cross the road because he
mistakes her for dressing as batman.

the unbirthday song in "alice in wonderland"
talks of 364 unbirthdays every year.
suggesting, to me anyway, 365 days
of the devil's birthday. i guess
that would look like halloween
every day of the year.
 
Sanctus

Sanctus

Woodpecker
Protestant
Was thinking about this topic today, realised that there isn't just one moment where we realise Satan is real, it's when we are shown the sheer depth of his influence, how far-reaching his will actually is, and how that influence is like a narcotic to many, myself included.
I knew and understood there was evil in the world during my secular days but explained it away as something abstract, framed in a way that only a secular person can.
But when you begin to see how it's all connected you cannot help but start to see something else at play. Satan is real and will do everything he can to claim you for himself.
 
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Holymanaspen

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
What convinced me Satan was real? My own descent from nice, wholesome young man, to vice-addicted maniac who became severely addicted to sex and womanizing for a decade plus, all due to a deep belief that I wasn't enough, that I had to appear sexually successful to others. I lost all elements of myself that weren't to do with my addiction.

There were two women I knew in my more wholesome days, either one of which I could've married. But I turned my back on them to pursue extreme promiscuity.

Now, at 33, I realize all I wanted was intimacy with someone I was in love with. One person.

Only the devil could take someone away from their natural state for a decade, all while I didn't realize it was happening.
 
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