What does it feel like to be an unattractive woman?

Blade Runner

Pelican
Orthodox
I used to call it the "10/20 rule" when I was single and trying Internet dating. That is, most often if a woman you meet online shows up for a date IRL, she'll look 10 years older and 20 pounds heavier than in her pictures.

Haha, the proverbial "iceberg". Actually, it's a good looking girl facially with 4 body. The SIF and what you talk about are different spinoffs of the same thing = images vs. real life, just to what extent you are disappointed, thus you choose whichever term fits.
 
I'm so sick of women complaining about how bad they have it when in reality, it's NEVER been a better time to be a woman.

Can a man make $1,000 for a 10 second foot video? No
Is there a higher % of women or men who are incels? I think we know the answer
Can ANY woman go online, bar, w.e and get a male (sure it might not be her first, second, or third choice) to have sex with her, usually within an hour or less?
Shall I keep going???

I don't know what it's like to be an unattractive woman, nor will I ever. But they should ask themselves this: What's it like to be an unattractive man in 2020? Because I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that for every woman suffering, there's 5x the amount of men or higher, who are suffering more.

Sure, an unattractive woman is going to have a hard time gaining commitment from a man, especially one of a higher value. But that woman can usually get SOMEONE to have sex with which can lead to a relationship. It won't be with Henry Cavill, but there's someone who'd be as happy as a pig in shit with her.

Now let's take an unattractive man. How can he even get comittment when literally due to this gynocentric world and hypergamy being so out of control, he's rejected before he even opens his mouth?!?!

I have zero sympathy for women in 2020. Unless you had half your face melted off in an accident. Then again, they did a Tinder experiment with a type of girl like this in Italy, and she had close to 100 matches, with ABOVE AVERAGE looking guys messaging her first!!! Wrap your brain around that.

I remember the thread I made about that incel guy flipping out in the bagel shop ages ago. There's almost no female equivelant of that. Even the landwhales, nah, hot air balloons on that 600 lb life show usually have a bf or husband who isn't entirely subhuman. Hell, sometimes even he's above average!!!

2020: the year the world unofficially, ended.

It's well and trully over.
 
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Beaker

Robin
I'm so sick of women complaining about how bad they have it when in reality, it's NEVER been a better time to be a woman.

Can a man make $1,000 for a 10 second foot video? No
Is there a higher % of women or men who are incels? I think we know the answer
Can ANY woman go online, bar, w.e and get a male (sure it might not be her first, second, or third choice) to have sex with her, usually within an hour or less?
Shall I keep going???

I don't know what it's like to be an unattractive woman, nor will I ever. But they should ask themselves this: What's it like to be an unattractive man in 2020? Because I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that for every woman suffering, there's 5x the amount of men or higher, who are suffering more.

Sure, an unattractive woman is going to have a hard time gaining commitment from a man, especially one of a higher value. But that woman can usually get SOMEONE to have sex with which can lead to a relationship. It won't be with Henry Cavill, but there's someone who'd be as happy as a pig in shit with her.

Now let's take an unattractive man. How can he even get comittment when literally due to this gynocentric world and hypergamy being so out of control, he's rejected before he even opens his mouth?!?!

I have zero sympathy for women in 2020. Unless you had half your face melted off in an accident. Then again, they did a Tinder experiment with a type of girl like this in Italy, and she had close to 100 matches, with ABOVE AVERAGE looking guys messaging her first!!! Wrap your brain around that.

I remember the thread I made about thst incel guy flipping out in the bagel shop ages ago. There's almost no female equivelant of that. Even the landwhales, nah, hot air balloons on that 600 lb life show usually have a bf or husband who isn't entirely a subhuman. Hell, sometimes even he's above average!!!

2020: the year the world unofficially, ended.

It's well and trully over.

Women are not like men, you keep making the comparison. They're more like you when you were 12 years old and just like you needed your parents back then for emotional support, they need a man who cares for them.
 
Women are not like men, you keep making the comparison. They're more like you when you were 12 years old and just like you needed your parents back then for emotional support, they need a man who cares for them.

There are plenty of men who'd be willing to care for them. However, said woman doesn't care about these men, and/or she's completely unable to pair bond with any man. This is due to the current climate and hundreds of factors that are all combining to make the dating/marriage market in 2020 a total shit sundae for both genders.

So, instead of accepting reality (in this case, your non-top tier looks and subsequently, male options based off of your looks) they double down on destructive policies (i.e. militant socialism like Doc Howard said in a post) that harm society at large. Look at the the vile "female" cretins in Portland and Seattle this summer. Hardly an attractive one. The fact is that we live in age where millennials and gen z were never told no, or that they weren't "good enough". However, when they find out the real world is ugly and cruel and doesn't care, they become bitter, sour, and nothing good comes of it for anyone.
 
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Beaker

Robin
There are plenty of men who'd be willing to care for them. However, said woman doesn't care about these men, and/or she's completely unable to pair bond with any man. This is due to the current climate and hundreds of factors that are all combining to make the dating/marriage market in 2020 a total shit sundae for both genders.

So, instead of accepting reality (in this case, your non-top tier looks and subsequently, male options based off of your looks) they double down on destructive policies (i.e. militant socialism like Doc Howard said in a post) that harm society at large. Look at the the vile "female" cretins in Portland and Seattle this summer. Hardly an attractive one. The fact is that we live in age where millennials and gen z were never told no, or that they weren't "good enough". However, when they find out the real world is ugly and cruel and doesn't care, they become bitter, sour, and nothing good comes of it for anyone.

There aren't men to care for them, that's the point. Who would commit to an unattractive/average woman when sex is the most accessible and socially acceptable it's ever been? Because of sexual liberation men have unlimited sexual license.

Women don't have it good, they're like abandoned children living in a shack.
 
There aren't men to care for them, that's the point. Who would commit to an unattractive/average woman when sex is the most accessible and socially acceptable it's ever been? Because of sexual liberation men have unlimited sexual license.

Women don't have it good, they're like abandoned children living in a shack.

"Because of sexual liberation men have unlimited sexual license".

Let me fix this for you....

"Because of sexual liberation, WOMEN have unlimited sexual license and ONLY the men in the upper echelon of SMV are benefiting from this".

Are you aware that about 31% of men 18-24 are incel???

The only thing I'll agree on is the fact that both men and women lose in the long run due to the way things are when it comes to long term commitment. And that is overwhelmingly becoming a dying concept as it is.
 

Beaker

Robin
"Because of sexual liberation men have unlimited sexual license".

Let me fix this for you....

"Because of sexual liberation, WOMEN have unlimited sexual license and ONLY the men in the upper echelon of SMV are benefiting from this".

Are you aware that about 31% of men 18-24 are incel???

The only thing I'll agree on is the fact that both men and women lose in the long run due to the way things are when it comes to long term commitment. And that is overwhelmingly becoming a dying concept as it is.

Women get heavily damaged by being promiscuous, being able to do it is a negative not a positive. They can't get commitment, that's why they end up on OnlyFans.

As they age they become less attractive and less desirable. Those incels you mentioned will have a buffet to choose from in their 30s and 40s, and that's exactly what they'll do, they don't care about marriage or commitment.

Women have always had it worse than men and probably always will. As a man you're self sufficient, remember that.
 

bmw633

Woodpecker
In my late twenties I was in a restaurant with a bunch of friends. A plain and overweight girl in the group stated confidently that she knew she was attractive to men, because they would have sex with her! Lol This caused all of the male eyes to silently get wide in response, and a friend of mine noticeably choked on his beer, as he took a gulp right as she made her declaration! No one chose to correct her on her notion...
Nobody wanted to hurt her feelings by telling her she is delusional.
 
Women are heavily damaged from being promiscuous? You have no argument from me there. And no, they actually can get comittment. It's just NOT usually from the guys they prefer. And anyways, you have good looking 25 year olds in pseudo-relationships with 35 year old single mommies. Sure they won't get a ring, but once he's had his turn, enter next man. There's very few men who are red/black pilled out there and believe me, there's men lined up to date these roasties. Far as online, they are on sites like OnlyFans because they CAN. One of womens' main interpersonal needs is attention. Places like OnlyFans give them that, and in large numbers. Not to mention, some of them make a nice chunk of change off sites like that.

Yes as women age they become less attractive and desirable. No one is arguing this. However, male thirst has never been higher and what would be considered low hanging fruit 20 years ago, is now something that is higher up in the tree so to speak. And if these guys are incels, what makes you think at 30 and 40 they are going to have a buffet of women to choose from???? If they are incels at 25, how do you see them NOT being an incel at 40, when both women and men's looks (albeit not as harsh as women's) go down the shitter with age?!?! Sure men's value can increase in other areas, but a woman still have to feel attraction toward you.

And while they aren't self-sufficient and while I do agree we will always have it better in the long run and always have, they have safety nets all over the place. Safety nets from big daddy gov't, another man, etc. Case in point, I've seen plenty of men (ugly and not), homeless. When's the last time you saw an attractive homeless woman???

Where are you located btw? You come across as a bit naive/out of touch with what's going on. No venom, just observation.
 

Beaker

Robin
Women are heavily damaged from being promiscuous? You have no argument from me there. And no, they actually can get comittment. It's just NOT usually from the guys they prefer. And anyways, you have good looking 25 year olds in pseudo-relationships with 35 year old single mommies. Sure they won't get a ring, but once he's had his turn, enter next man. There's very few men who are red/black pilled out there and believe me, there's men lined up to date these roasties. Far as online, they are on sites like OnlyFans because they CAN. One of womens' main interpersonal needs is attention. Places like OnlyFans give them that, and in large numbers. Not to mention, some of them make a nice chunk of change off sites like that.

Yes as women age they become less attractive and desirable. No one is arguing this. However, male thirst has never been higher and what would be considered low hanging fruit 20 years ago, is now something that is higher up in the tree so to speak. And if these guys are incels, what makes you think at 30 and 40 they are going to have a buffet of women to choose from???? If they are incels at 25, how do you see them NOT being an incel at 40, when both women and men's looks (albeit not as harsh as women's) go down the shitter with age?!?! Sure men's value can increase in other areas, but a woman still have to feel attraction toward you.

And while they aren't self-sufficient and while I do agree we will always have it better in the long run and always have, they have safety nets all over the place. Safety nets from big daddy gov't, another man, etc. Case in point, I've seen plenty of men (ugly and not), homeless. When's the last time you saw an attractive homeless woman???

Where are you located btw? You come across as a bit naive/out of touch with what's going on. No venom, just observation.

You're still comparing women to men, you need more time with women to be able to understand them. They're mentally much more delicate, trauma is experienced much differently, and they need that attention just to feel fine, it's not a luxury. They're like children, any trauma is permanent and life altering.

A homeless man can bounce back and still be mentally fine, men grow with hardship. That's the main difference between the sexes, hardship makes one stronger but destroys the other. I'd argue that men need hardship just to become men, it's essential to build strength. That same hardship kills a woman.
 
You're still comparing women to men, you need more time with women to be able to understand them. They're mentally much more delicate, trauma is experienced much differently, and they need that attention just to feel fine, it's not a luxury. They're like children, any trauma is permanent and life altering.

A homeless man can bounce back and still be mentally fine, men grow with hardship. That's the main difference between the sexes, hardship makes one stronger but destroys the other. I'd argue that men need hardship just to become men, it's essential to build strength. That same hardship kills a woman.

Modern-day hardship does not generally kill women. It's simply that as much as men have gotten soft, women have gotten even more so. But bottom line, women can grow stronger by being exposed to adversity, and that's how it was for ages.

If there is a problem, it's that they are vastly over-protected nowadays, from the real world vicissitudes of life.
 
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Beaker

Robin
Modern-day hardship does not generally kill women. It's simply that as much as men have gotten soft, women have gotten even more soft. But bottom line, women can grow stronger by being exposed to adversity, and that's how it was for ages.

If there is a problem, it's that they are vastly over-protected nowadays, from the real world vicissitudes of life.

It kills their souls, their innocence, everything that makes a woman attractive - the spiritual battle destroys them if they're not protected. I've never experienced being an incel and have never been friends with one, so have very little to draw on to relate in any way. Maybe that's where the misunderstanding is.

On the other hand I've good experience with women and can say for a certainty that living is very hard for them, the simplest things make them feel pain and they'll go crazy to show you how much you're hurting them. Living as a woman is a roller-coaster, they literally depend on other people for their emotional well being, just like children.

The incel will get stronger with time and doesn't need help, every young kid goes through the process of becoming a man and needs to do it alone.
 
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monsquid

Kingfisher
Meta... just like bmw633 said about, just the fact that a thread like this was made on a conservative men's forum shows what a clown show the world is nowadays. No offense to the OP, but why should we care about the plight of ugly women? On a list of priorities it's literally at the bottom.
 
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