What does it feel like to be an unattractive woman?

I think if the woman is conscious of her weight and is willing to work out that makes a big difference. I will also state that a pleasant personality is worth its weight in gold.
so many women are overweight now that weight reduction alone could get any women out of this mess. Lose weight, get SKINNY and all at once YOU are the exception, the men are looking at YOU.
 

lonewolf1968

Kingfisher
I don't know man, I see Colombian girls everyday who are mixed-race and don't meet the stereotypical beauty standards face-wise (nose, bone structure, eyes), yet look cute, hot because they are thin, take care of themselves and overall are pleasant or dance incredibly. I think this applies more to women with disfigurement, but that is on both sides, men and women. I don't buy that, a man who is a 5 would go out with a 4 anyday. 3 below 4 I think are either landwhales or people with disfigurement. May God help and bless the later. For the first one I don't hold no sympathy.
 

Redcrosse

Woodpecker
In college, one of my small classes had a girl who was a genuine Guess model and who went on to become a semi-well known Hollywood actress (mostly TV, niche genre type stuff, but definitely if you're into her genre you'd know her, even today). In fact, she was so good looking in person that when you looked at her, you didn't actually think she was a real person, that maybe this was some sort of advertisement that looked too real, and you stared a few seconds too long trying to see if she was, actually, real. Tall, blond, flawless; in short, a genuine 10.

Why can’t you tell us who she is? I want to know if I’ve seen this girl in anything.
 

SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
Ok, saw that trailer and it's the train wreck I can't look away from - went on the watch list. It also may help illustrate why fatties tend to not be kind, but, increasingly, irritable bitches. One would think a fattie would leverage what she has by being as nice and happy a person as she could outwardly be, but for many, the only power they have is being miserable and making everyone else miserable.

They are the ones you will see in the group telling that new, not so fat, somewhat attractive but shy girl to go get the purple hair, the face tat, the stupid gauged ears, etc. and complimenting it knowing it all looks terrible. They're evil.

Finally got around to watching this, and it was as depressing as you might expect. Of course she is a fag hag, but they couldn't call the movie that nowadays. Her four gay friends are the most over the top stereotypical homos you could ever make up, and she is a miserable individual to just about everyone but them. Not a lot there for a whole movie to be interesting so fast forwarded past a few sections, but there were subtle things that stood out.

When she first met the guy who pump & dumped her she almost immediately got bossy. After they drank a bit then did the deed, she was crushed when he hit the road and left her his bandanna. Fat and ugly as she was, she still wasn't used to guys dumping her. Kept trying to reach him but he was gone. Sniffed the bandanna, tried to sort it out with her fruity friends, then thought it would be a good idea to post her ass on the internet and advertise free lays to whoever would show up.

What struck a chord with me on this is I knew a 41 year old fat woman who did exactly this from time to time (she told a coworker, who told me after she left the job). As with the protagonist, this woman would post a message and a pic on Craigslist and accept whoever came by for anonymous, faceless sex. She would lie face down on her bed, front door unlocked, and tell the guy who showed up where to find her. FYI, this person worked in a sensitive position in the government and could have easily been compromised.

It's a damn miracle she wasn't murdered by a recently released parolee, but it goes to show the levels of depravity that some people will sink for validation. These people are real, and probably more common than most people realize.
 
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WHEN THEY stay fat and cut all the nice long hair off because "short hair is easy" they are done ever finding a man
4. Do not cut your hair off
I agree, but I would say that's part of R.G.Camara's point 2

2. Act feminine.

Women have been led to believe that anything they do "for a man" is sort of a betrayal of their gender. They believe they're oppressed and so they go out of their way to "stick it to the man" so to speak - to do things which men will not like. Femininity=bad, and anything men don't like=good

And this is mainstream; it's not just fringe radical feminists.

Remember the story of Brooke Smith?
She posted on facebook that she cooks for her husband and does his laundry. Basically that's it. That's all she said. And she's not an activist or anything. She's just a stay-at-home mom. Mainstream media went out of their way to ridicule her, even suggesting her husband was abusing her (hypnotizing her).

So, back to the fattie in the "Pig Hag" movie (and women in general), they live in a bubble where the only time they ever hear the word "feminine" is either in the context of ridiculing it or saying that it's oppression.
 
Isn't the best combination (and the most rare) the 7+ that grew up not standing out, or was a late bloomer, buy for some reason by 21 was solid in both looks and personality? I am recalling nearly all the middle school girls who were super cute being peakers, the equivalent to a guy who "peaks in high school." The problem is that from a man's point of view, most women are their "hottest' at age 16. It's just a conflicting thing since they are legally off limits, so of course you'll never hear this spoken, obviously since anything surrounding it at all is verboten.
It will never happen, but I think women may actually be better off if we legally and culturally allowed them to begin full time mate selection at 16. In the US, as it stands now, women are deprived of full adult status until they are 21 years old and can goto a bar. Women HATE being deprived of perceived social access and rebel endlessly because of it. Women arguably waste half their peak being deprived of the primary venues for mate selection, which I’d argue leads them down worse paths like drugs, stripping, porn, sugar babying, dating “bad boys”, thotting, etc. Women always gravitate towards high end venues, so let the girls at peak fertility find their Chads and be done with it. If it all goes south, at least they may still have several years of peak looks to recover from their initial burn out. In my experience growing up, most girls are pretty much going to do what they want once in high school anyway. Parents are mostly background noise at that point. In high school I knew a 16 year old 9 that was banging 30 year old business men and college athletes, and using fake id’s to goto the hottest clubs in the city. This was common place among most of the hot girls. I could be wrong, but I bet if 16 year olds were legally and culturally allowed to enter LTRs with older men (who they mostly want anyway), they would be maximizing their mate selection at their peak and therefor be more content and less jaded into their 20s, possibly already having children. This isn’t a problem for men, because your avergage non-athlete, non-famous man arguably doesn’t start peaking until well past mid-20s or even 30s.
 
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Blade Runner

Pelican
Orthodox
^ There are a lot of convincing points there, sanbruno

There is a lot of weird (legally enforced, thus current laws) envy by men and (ugly) women that is the main reason why this isn't the case, by the way. Think of it, things used to be like this across the board - and for most of human history. Why? Pure biology. You'll also recognize, if you pay attention, that for some reason "young women" are stupid but no one is trying to make it illegal for them to vote. I'd think if someone couldn't make proper decisions for herself, she shouldn't be voting on how to structure society ...
 
^ There are a lot of convincing points there, sanbruno

There is a lot of weird (legally enforced, thus current laws) envy by men and (ugly) women that is the main reason why this isn't the case, by the way. Think of it, things used to be like this across the board - and for most of human history. Why? Pure biology. You'll also recognize, if you pay attention, that for some reason "young women" are stupid but no one is trying to make it illegal for them to vote. I'd think if someone couldn't make proper decisions for herself, she shouldn't be voting on how to structure society ...
I agree. The last thing women want is more competition from fertile teenagers, and the last thing betas want is more opportunity for Chads. I’d argue it would actually be better for both though, as the hottest 16 year olds would quickly get picked out by the biggest Chads, thus getting them out of the way from older, less hot women (I tend to believe women quickly abandon their promiscuity and desire children if they feel their current mate suffiently maxed their SMV) . Chads would ideally would be roped into marriage (the tradeoff for access to 16-18 year olds) and thus fewer on the market for betas to compete with. Although, this probably underestimates womens’ desire for the top 10% of men regardless of their looks or the man’s marriage status. That probably also explains feminism: a mechanism to tear down beta males in favor of alpha harems.

Bottom line is that right now young women are brainwashed to think they need to be like men and gain “experience” both sexually, financially and socially, to get the attention of a top mate, when in reality they just want Derek Jeter or Tom Brady to come take their cherry and put her up in a mansion while she nurtures their prime genetic offspring.
 
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JohnQThomas

Woodpecker
I agree. The last thing women want is more competition from fertile teenagers, and the last thing betas want is more opportunity for Chads. I’d argue it would actually be better for both though, as the hottest 16 year olds would quickly get picked out by the biggest Chads, thus getting them out of the way from older, less hot women (I tend to believe women quickly abandon their promiscuity and desire children if they feel their current mate suffiently maxed their SMV) . Chads would ideally would be roped into marriage (the tradeoff for access to 16-18 year olds) and thus fewer on the market for betas to compete with. Although, this probably underestimates womens’ desire for the top 10% of men regardless of their looks or the man’s marriage status. That probably also explains feminism: a mechanism to tear down beta males in favor of alpha harems.

Bottom line is that right now young women are brainwashed to think they need to be like men and gain “experience” both sexually, financially and socially, to get the attention of a top mate, when in reality they just want Derek Jeter or Tom Brady to come take their cherry and put her up in a mansion while she nurtures their prime genetic offspring.
Except that bars aren’t the best place to meet a mate. And most men of 25 or 30 who want to meet up with a 16-year-old aren’t thinking of marriage. Bad idea! (Especially for our daughters...right?)
 
Except that bars aren’t the best place to meet a mate. And most men of 25 or 30 who want to meet up with a 16-year-old aren’t thinking of marriage. Bad idea! (Especially for our daughters...right?)
Yea, it’s admittedly a bit of an extreme example. I suppose the idea being that ideally your 16 old daughter will be raised with some discipline and morals, but if she must be a wild child, she can do it in the proper venues. The problem I see is that women have this weird in-between status between full development (15-16) and when they are deemed adults by culture and law (18-21), and that breeds alot of negative, rebelious behavior. I personally think women have no business in schools beyond 16 unless they have specific goals in mind. I believe the majority women are simply more interested in mate selection, and “education” and “career” was always just code for “access to higher status men” for most.
 

Blade Runner

Pelican
Orthodox
I personally think women have no business in schools beyond 16 unless they have specific goals in mind. I believe the majority women are simply more interested in mate selection, and “education” and “career” was always just code for “access to higher status men” for most.
Yes, this (true) analysis is totally beyond most people, and certainly would be denied by all women. It's funny that they just excuse all the wasted time from age 20-30something when the desire comes after 30 to finally have a family, as if they didn't know that would happen. Well, ladies, if you purposefully ignore it, of course it'll happen all of a sudden!

The problem is being honest to women in a sense about their prospects or SMV - no one wants to do it especially in the modern and insane "sensitivity" age. There have been ugly and unmarriageable women for time immemorial. One just has to understand this, and send them off to work, or finagle a family deal where someone will take the ugly duckling. Right? It's not like we didn't have solutions to this 200k year problem already. Weird.
 
Isn't the best combination (and the most rare) the 7+ that grew up not standing out, or was a late bloomer, buy for some reason by 21 was solid in both looks and personality? I am recalling nearly all the middle school girls who were super cute being peakers, the equivalent to a guy who "peaks in high school." The problem is that from a man's point of view, most women are their "hottest' at age 16. It's just a conflicting thing since they are legally off limits, so of course you'll never hear this spoken, obviously since anything surrounding it at all is verboten.
I'd say 20 is the peak. 16 is not Verboten in Germany, by the way. And they date up.
 
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