For the guys who are what we call male feminists, I think its a lot more than just getting laid. I think they actually buy into the whole feminist struggle story, to such a degree that they think they are rebellious and anti-capitalist/consumerism/sexist/american/western/greed/white male on and on, in a sort of weak limp-wristed way of being a rebel. Take Eddie Veddor, he's like the shining white knight prince of this, at the end of the day it just sells more records to women and he ends up looking a bigger douche to men(I think women are who actually buy their records and goes to their shows these days anyway, Pearl Jam has sucked since their second record!). They think by exerting male tough guy into the debate it makes you a real modern man, which leads to more approval from women, which leads to more time spent in their bedrooms listening to Pearl Jam, which leads to >>> shit, nevermind
What Inner Fire Drives Men To Be White Knights For Women?
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bacon said:
You missed one, and it's an important one. Some of us attended schools or were otherwise exposed to mass media that indoctrinated us into feminism and white knighting.
Planning for an article 2wyked? Hopefully to start of white knight shaming week! There is bound to be more and more white knights to pop up so we can study what they are like in detail.
This guy who threatened Tut, looks rather scrawny. And he has a Justin Beiber haircut. I don't think he could put up much of a fight unless he is an accomplished martial artist. They are often white knights, but they don't usually try to instigate fights. This leads me to believe he is just an angsty poser. Maybe he knows he is scrawny and trying to overcompensate with a false showing of misunderstood dominance. Does a truly dominant person need to threaten someone, or do other people already know his power?
This guy who threatened Tut, looks rather scrawny. And he has a Justin Beiber haircut. I don't think he could put up much of a fight unless he is an accomplished martial artist. They are often white knights, but they don't usually try to instigate fights. This leads me to believe he is just an angsty poser. Maybe he knows he is scrawny and trying to overcompensate with a false showing of misunderstood dominance. Does a truly dominant person need to threaten someone, or do other people already know his power?
What drives the impulse to be a white knight?
Simple.
The deluded belief that being a white knight will increase their chances of fucking. It won't, as we all know.
Simple.
The deluded belief that being a white knight will increase their chances of fucking. It won't, as we all know.
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2Wycked said:
With my friends it often seems to come out of a profound moral sense of what is right. Those are the surface reasons, rationalizations.
My feeling is that men have this innate desire to take care of the "weaker sex". Traditionally, men would take care of the specific women in their family (wife, daughter). Now they do it in the abstract as they have no traditional wife to protect, in most cases.
It is also to get validation and positive reinforcement from women, as protectors.
I do not believe it is really to curry favor to get laid, consciously or unconsciously. Feminists (and generally women) often express that belief.
My quick thoughts.
Lack of a male presence. It's mothers teaching boys how to treat women. Too bad it dooms them to a life of loneliness and desperation.
Men know that you can never really make a woman happy any more than you can pay off the national debt. Yet they keep trying.
You have to get to a point where you say fuck it and stop trying. That's when you put out the vibe that women find attractive.
Men know that you can never really make a woman happy any more than you can pay off the national debt. Yet they keep trying.
You have to get to a point where you say fuck it and stop trying. That's when you put out the vibe that women find attractive.
Teedub said:
The internet has given people a voice they otherwise didn't have, and has become a real poison in our society. Our culture is delusional enough, and now people are living in a fantasy realm in the safety of their own home. That skinny little shit that threatened Tuth lives in fear, but now thinks he's a real badass now by making threats on twitter, Dash believes he's a international playboy, Deb Auchery a male model. Fat girls post pictures online so 100 white knight/ beta orbiters can bolster her confidence, so she goes out dressed like this:
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Those people now are blurring the fantasy of online with with reality. Once Tuth's online stalker get enough internet points, he may actually try and white-knight in real life, and get a fistful of reality, and it'll be a painful lesson.
If Hollywood wasn't tainting our society enough, the internet is far worse due to interaction. I can't really paint a pretty picture on it, cause its only going to get worse over the next two decades.
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My intention in posting his dumb threat to me and silly other tweets wasn't to get revenge, to get you guys to fuck with him, or to have him deactivate his Twitter account (which, evidently, he's done). Even though he did irritate me by persistently trying to punk me with like 10 straight violently angry messages, I figured he was just some young idiot trying to posture in front of some girl. I mostly felt bad that he was so deluded as to think that would work. If real white-knighting rarely works, a display of even the boldest Internet courage works even less.
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I put it up because it was a perfect example of how white knighting unfolds and it had, literally, just happened. It was a crazy coincidence that 2Wycked put up this thread when he did. It also becomes more than harmless white-knight posturing when someone is as specific and public about his violence as this guy was, and then threatens to involve authorities.
It's crazy how people--especially white-knights like this guy--get mad at us for telling them the ugly truth about how things work in the real world with women like his aspirational "girlfriend." Don't (threaten to) kill the messenger. Send your complaints to Mother Nature, heroes.
Nick, if you're reading: I will take down my screen caps of your messages earlier in this thread if you do the following:
1. Reactivate your Twitter account.
2. Issue a public apology-tweet for threatening me with violence and to report me to authorities. I will then screen cap that tweet and post it in this thread, while removing the others.
3. Promise to read some of the dating-advice material we write with an open mind, and genuinely try to improve your skills with women which, by all external signs, are abysmal.
4. Thank me/us when they actually get you laid.
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Post I made on this subject a couple of weeks ago http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-30106-post-579534.html#pid579534
Reading his tweets, I think the reaction he got from "fully grown men" as he says, shocked or perhaps intimidated him. If he's reading:
Nick mate, you can't talk about ripping people's throats out and expect no form of retaliation. Especially, when the threat is far more than what is warranted for what the target has done. Also, perhaps one day you'll be glad you found this forum, and Tuthmosis' writings, at your age, as I would have loved to have found such a resource when still in school. I held (perhaps not to the same degree, but still) some of the 'white knight' tendencies you're displaying toward this 'Catherine' girl. Why are you doing this on her behalf? If she was that outraged I'm sure she would have been furiously tweeting to Tuthmosis herself, right. Keep following this forum and maybe by the time you're a "fully grown man", you'll have figured out that women aren't the precious little snowflakes you've been raised to think they are. There's a long rabbit hole where this goes son.
Nick mate, you can't talk about ripping people's throats out and expect no form of retaliation. Especially, when the threat is far more than what is warranted for what the target has done. Also, perhaps one day you'll be glad you found this forum, and Tuthmosis' writings, at your age, as I would have loved to have found such a resource when still in school. I held (perhaps not to the same degree, but still) some of the 'white knight' tendencies you're displaying toward this 'Catherine' girl. Why are you doing this on her behalf? If she was that outraged I'm sure she would have been furiously tweeting to Tuthmosis herself, right. Keep following this forum and maybe by the time you're a "fully grown man", you'll have figured out that women aren't the precious little snowflakes you've been raised to think they are. There's a long rabbit hole where this goes son.
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I can't believe this guy is for real. Instead of guy I should probably say "kid" who is 16 years old and learning to white knight at this tender age. I say let him. When he's 26 and still struggling with women he will himself search for this forum and ask for advice on how to get laid.
It's still funny though how he's "defending someone he cares about" and standing up for the girl who will never sleep with him
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It's still funny though how he's "defending someone he cares about" and standing up for the girl who will never sleep with him
.In regards to white knights, we all need to keep in mind:
Hundreds of years ago, people believed the Earth was flat and that we were the center of the universe.
Brilliant men came along and proved with irrefutable evidence that this was not the case. In some cases, these men were put to death for their "beliefs".
300-some odd years ago, we had the Salem witch trials.
Think of all of our ridiculous superstitions: black cats, walking under a ladder, breaking a mirror, Haley's Comet, Knock on Wood, Friday the 13th. We say "God Bless You" when people sneeze because at one point people thought the soul was escaping the body during a sneeze. People believe our destinies are controlled by stars millions of light-years away and they call it "astrology".
So too, is the logic of men that white-knight for women. It's a superstition that by being noble and chivalrous towards women will lead to some happiness that comes their way. I think their heart is in the right place, it's like people that believe in karma and "what goes around comes around."
What they should understand is that being kind to strangers DOES bring you happiness, and that their efforts are needed in this world. They should volunteer in a soup kitchen or do some charity work to people who are truly in need. Cute white girls with thousands of Twitter and Instagram followers do not meet the criteria for "those in need", and directing ones noble efforts to these girls will NOT yield any happiness.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being charitable or sticking up for those who can't defend or help themselves. Our boy Nick and his ilk should redirect their energies to those in need. When it comes to being selfish and taking what he wants, with zero chivalry involved, and a touch of game, THEN the cute girls can enter the picture. He would find his happiness levels skyrocketing to newfound heights.
Hundreds of years ago, people believed the Earth was flat and that we were the center of the universe.
Brilliant men came along and proved with irrefutable evidence that this was not the case. In some cases, these men were put to death for their "beliefs".
300-some odd years ago, we had the Salem witch trials.
Think of all of our ridiculous superstitions: black cats, walking under a ladder, breaking a mirror, Haley's Comet, Knock on Wood, Friday the 13th. We say "God Bless You" when people sneeze because at one point people thought the soul was escaping the body during a sneeze. People believe our destinies are controlled by stars millions of light-years away and they call it "astrology".
So too, is the logic of men that white-knight for women. It's a superstition that by being noble and chivalrous towards women will lead to some happiness that comes their way. I think their heart is in the right place, it's like people that believe in karma and "what goes around comes around."
What they should understand is that being kind to strangers DOES bring you happiness, and that their efforts are needed in this world. They should volunteer in a soup kitchen or do some charity work to people who are truly in need. Cute white girls with thousands of Twitter and Instagram followers do not meet the criteria for "those in need", and directing ones noble efforts to these girls will NOT yield any happiness.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being charitable or sticking up for those who can't defend or help themselves. Our boy Nick and his ilk should redirect their energies to those in need. When it comes to being selfish and taking what he wants, with zero chivalry involved, and a touch of game, THEN the cute girls can enter the picture. He would find his happiness levels skyrocketing to newfound heights.
Nick: If you prostrate yourself in front of a woman who has shown no sexual or romantic interest in you, then she's within her rights to walk over you to get to where she's going. Act like a carpet, and you'll get treated like it.
2Wycked said:
What would drive a man to white knight?
We have seen many men come onto ROK and post dumb shit about being pro-feminist, respectful of women, etc.
To me, sex = female approval for most men, so I don't see sex as the end goal, as I think white knights are chasing female approval.
Further I think white knights see women as inferior to men, and so they feel they need to protect the poor women from the consequences of their words or actions. They end of getting burned by women because they remind women how little they think of themselves, so white knights present them an opportunity to burn off their self hatred.
What are your personal theories on the social phenomenon? I still the same dumbasses, on Facebook & in real life, still playing this simp game into their mid to late 20's. Seems like women tolerate white-knighting from young men but seem to expect them to grow out of it after college/getting a job/married.
Thoughts?
What planet are you from? It's everythere and the reason for this is super obvious.
OK follow me. Here's the phenomenon. Guys act super nice towards girls cause they hope girls will return the favor. The end of the phenomenon.
Everytime a regular guy tries to help a damsel in distress by doing something he wouldn't do to his friend is hoping to get laid by this extra care. Sometimes it's a pathethic as a bus driver stoping the bus cause a hot girl looks at him and smiles seductively haha like in the back of his mind he really REALLY thinks that maybe this time she'll be so grateful that she'll come up to his door to give him her number or something.
Chris Rock said it best:
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End of the day, provided they're straight, the white knights have the same desires as the alphas.
Women get so mad when they find out those white knights were "only interested in sex". With the alphas, they already seem to know, but it comes across as some huge shock when a so-called "white knight" was only interested in sex as well - he just went about it a different way (Rock is accurate in explaining that).
Women can get sex so easily from men and don't realize all the hoops men have to jump through. If prostitution was legal, more men wouldn't "only be interested in sex" when on a first date, and the dates would probably go much better for everyone.
Women get so mad when they find out those white knights were "only interested in sex". With the alphas, they already seem to know, but it comes across as some huge shock when a so-called "white knight" was only interested in sex as well - he just went about it a different way (Rock is accurate in explaining that).
Women can get sex so easily from men and don't realize all the hoops men have to jump through. If prostitution was legal, more men wouldn't "only be interested in sex" when on a first date, and the dates would probably go much better for everyone.
Tuthmosis said:Geez, this is guy's picture should be in the dictionary under "white knight."
This kid is fucking annoying in general lol. He'd be Bubba's Bitch in prison without a doubt. Make this guy cry.
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