What is Orthodox Christianity?

Bolly

Pelican
Mage said:
What a ridiculous statement. Everyone who believes in that must be an idiot. It doesn't matter if it is justified in Bible or not.
Yeah ok. Right.Thus saith the resident pagan. Lol.:tard:
 

Mage

 
Spectrumwalker said:
Mage said:
What a ridiculous statement. Everyone who believes in that must be an idiot. It doesn't matter if it is justified in Bible or not.
Yeah ok. Right.Thus saith the resident pagan. Lol.:tard:
So what?

Are you going to pull the Christian version of a Muslim saying that only Muslims who can read arabic and know Koran by heart can critisize Islam?

If you are a spiritual seeker then you must have an opinion about EVERY major belief system there is.

If you don't then you are ostrich with your head in the sand.

Feel free to counter my arguments with your own rather then a weak ad hominem
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Spectrumwalker said:
1 John 5:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This important passage is convenientantly removed in most modern Bible translations for whatever bs reasons they have, but it's the most important that sums up the nature of God. Trinity. Tri+Unity=Trinity. Trinity is simply a more convenient way to say 3 in 1. 3 distinct entities that simultaneously make up one God. Let US make man in our own image. Manifestations of Jesus Christ are throughout the old testament proving the triune nature of God.

As far as orthodox Christianity, well, it's works salvation as much as they try and bait and switch you. Which ultimately makes it no better than Romanism, Islam, Mormonism, or any of the Catholic light Protestant denominations. "Yes it's salvation by faith, but...". No buts. Once saved always saved. Its not a process. Jesus did the work. You accept. And it's your gift for eternity. You will go to heaven no matter what you've done, will do or who you are. Otherwise God is a liar, and God cannot lie.

John 5:24.Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

All present tense.

Watch this. As usual with most so called priests not a single reference to the Bible. So much for their doctorates in divinity lol. Instead following man made traditions and his own theories. At first it sounds like you have assurance of salvation, but there's a catch. Listen.

Mark 7
7Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Luke 20:46
Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
I dig the aesthetics of their music and architecture and vestments though:

I prefer it over the Roman Catholic version.

 

Mage

 
IronShark said:
That sums it up:

This needs a protestant added as even more pathetic then the catholic.

1.Allows women - fat lesbos to preach in churches, under heel of feminism.
2.No liturgy - just songs in spirit of modern pop/rock and other satanic influences, sermons given by men in secular business suits with no liturgical clothing.
3.Fat or soyboy.
4.No mystical experiances, no theology, no philosophy just trying to fallow Bible to letter, that ends in never ending schisms and conflicts.
5.Influences are Martin Luther, sponsored by kings to get independance from Rome, and Henry VIII who just made a new church so he could divorce and remarry, clearly false doctrines made for political reasons.
6.Generally don't fast at all. Fat and believe in prosperity gospel.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
samifon said:
Spectrumwalker said:
1 John 5:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This important passage is convenientantly removed in most modern Bible translations for whatever bs reasons they have, but it's the most important that sums up the nature of God. Trinity. Tri+Unity=Trinity. Trinity is simply a more convenient way to say 3 in 1. 3 distinct entities that simultaneously make up one God. Let US make man in our own image. Manifestations of Jesus Christ are throughout the old testament proving the triune nature of God.
Most Bible translations don't include that verse because it's a fabrication. It contradicts every description of God in the Bible.

https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/1-john-5-7-8

"At this point [1 John 5:7] the Latin Vulgate gives the words in the Textus Receptus, found in no Greek MS. save two late cursives (162 in the Vatican Library of the fifteenth century, [No.] 34 of the sixteenth century in Trinity College, Dublin)."
Hebrews 1:1-14
1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. 4So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs. 5For to which of the angels did God ever say:

“You are My Son;

today I have become Your Father”?

Or again:

“I will be His Father,

and He will be My Son”?

6And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all God’s angels worship Him
.”

7Now about the angels He says:

“He makes His angels winds,

His servants flames of fire.”

8
9You have loved righteousness

and hated wickedness;

therefore God, Your God, has anointed You

above Your companions with the oil of joy.”


10And:

“In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

11They will perish, but You remain;

they will all wear out like a garment.

12You will roll them up like a robe;

like a garment they will be changed;

but You remain the same,

and Your years will never end.”

13Yet to which of the angels did God ever say:

“Sit at My right hand

until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet” ?

14Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
 

PainPositive

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Spectrumwalker said:
1 John 5:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This important passage is convenientantly removed in most modern Bible translations for whatever bs reasons they have, but it's the most important that sums up the nature of God. Trinity. Tri+Unity=Trinity. Trinity is simply a more convenient way to say 3 in 1. 3 distinct entities that simultaneously make up one God. Let US make man in our own image. Manifestations of Jesus Christ are throughout the old testament proving the triune nature of God.

As far as orthodox Christianity, well, it's works salvation as much as they try and bait and switch you. Which ultimately makes it no better than Romanism, Islam, Mormonism, or any of the Catholic light Protestant denominations. "Yes it's salvation by faith, but...". No buts. Once saved always saved. Its not a process. Jesus did the work. You accept. And it's your gift for eternity. You will go to heaven no matter what you've done, will do or who you are. Otherwise God is a liar, and God cannot lie.

John 5:24.Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

All present tense.

Watch this. As usual with most so called priests not a single reference to the Bible. So much for their doctorates in divinity lol. Instead following man made traditions and his own theories. At first it sounds like you have assurance of salvation, but there's a catch. Listen.

Mark 7
7Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Luke 20:46
Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
This is the reason they are so evil. They ignore "the Word'.

Ask a priest "How do I get to heaven?" If he can't answer in under 10 seconds with one of dozens of versers then he's a fraud. Amazing all that schooling and any 10 year old who reads the bible can tell you more truth than a priest can.
 

the.king

Sparrow
My favourite hymn for Virgin Mary. Strongly associated with Constantinople, Hayia Sofia and Byzantine empire.

By a Greek female children chorus:

 

Bolly

Pelican
@Mage

For your first question. No. The Bible based off the Textus Receptus manuscripts are available to all people in all languages. In English it's the KJV. Not the Catholic westcott and hort occult Bibles. I think I've talked about this with you before once upon a time. It was either you or Beast. I honestly can't remember. In fact someone said just because they can read some language, either Greek or Hebrew that only they have the authority to understand some scripture. Just like some Muslim would say. For some reason I believe it was you, so not sure what you're getting at. If it wasn't you, pardon me. And yes I do I have opinions about every religion including your tree worshipping fairytale paganism.

The Gospel is for all, regardless of your language. At the tower of Babel God confounded the languages. It wouldn't make any sense to have put his word exclusively in one language like Muslims claim about the Quran and Arabic. Man cannot live by bread alone, but by every Word of God. Somewhere somehow there's got to be an every word message.

And no I won't counter any more aguments from you because I'm familiar with your style and how bent out of shape you get with your petty insults and attitude which I'm not down for. So that's it between me and you here. If you want to discuss, send me a pm but leave the name calling at the door and I'll get back to you when I have time. If anyone else wants to talk about whatever on the thread (except mage and his low insults) or by pm too that's cool. I may be a bit of a prodigal son but this stuffs still important to me and I enjoy sharing. I don't want to derail the thread to much so I suppose we'll keep it in the confines of orthodoxy.

Oh and by the way Mage...I'm not a Protestant either.
 

Mage

 
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@ Spectrumwalker
My first question was a rhetorical one.

Obviously not going to pm you, I am interested in open forum discussions where lots of minds and can participate and many opinions can be viewed.

It's sad that when evading from argumented discussion you must do so with a barrage of ad hominems.

If you are not a protestant then why do you defend the idea of "Once saved always saved." Who else believes that? Surely not Catholics and not the Orthodox. What is your (I bet protestant) denomination exactly?

It seems you hate me simply for my Pagan opinion. Why? What wrong have Pagans caused you? Did your pastor told you we are all Satanists? Are you on a crusade?
 

samifon

Pigeon
infowarrior1 said:
Hebrews 1:1-14
1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. 4So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs. 5For to which of the angels did God ever say:

“You are My Son;

today I have become Your Father”?

Or again:

“I will be His Father,

and He will be My Son”?

6And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all God’s angels worship Him
.”

7Now about the angels He says:

“He makes His angels winds,

His servants flames of fire.”

8
9You have loved righteousness

and hated wickedness;

therefore God, Your God, has anointed You

above Your companions with the oil of joy.”


10And:

“In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

11They will perish, but You remain;

they will all wear out like a garment.

12You will roll them up like a robe;

like a garment they will be changed;

but You remain the same,

and Your years will never end.”

13Yet to which of the angels did God ever say:

“Sit at My right hand

until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet” ?

14Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Psalm 45 6:7

Your throne, O God,[a] will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

The exact same wording used in 1 Hebrews 9 is used here. The initial use of "God" refers to the King of Israel, just like England uses the title of "Lord" to denote someone of importance, and the God of the King is GOD.

Likewise, Jesus is not God as we understand God, but simply an important person here to carry out God's will.

I should also add that there are no lowercase letters in Hebrew, so that's why "God" is capitalized in both instances.
 
Mage said:
IronShark said:
That sums it up:

This needs a protestant added as even more pathetic then the catholic.

1.Allows women - fat lesbos to preach in churches, under heel of feminism.
2.No liturgy - just songs in spirit of modern pop/rock and other satanic influences, sermons given by men in secular business suits with no liturgical clothing.
3.Fat or soyboy.
4.No mystical experiances, no theology, no philosophy just trying to fallow Bible to letter, that ends in never ending schisms and conflicts.
5.Influences are Martin Luther, sponsored by kings to get independance from Rome, and Henry VIII who just made a new church so he could divorce and remarry, clearly false doctrines made for political reasons.
6.Generally don't fast at all. Fat and believe in prosperity gospel.
People might find it difficult to imagine. But Orthodox Christians fast roughly half of the year. Greek Orthodox Church has stricter fasting rules than Russian Orthodox Church. But in term of the duration, they both are the same.
 

Samseau

Owl
Gold Member
Spectrumwalker said:
As far as orthodox Christianity, well, it's works salvation as much as they try and bait and switch you. Which ultimately makes it no better than Romanism, Islam, Mormonism, or any of the Catholic light Protestant denominations. "Yes it's salvation by faith, but...". No buts. Once saved always saved. Its not a process. Jesus did the work. You accept. And it's your gift for eternity. You will go to heaven no matter what you've done, will do or who you are. Otherwise God is a liar, and God cannot lie.

John 5:24.Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Have you ever read the Bible bro?

Matthew 22:36

"36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”"

Obviously if you've heard his word then you know going to heaven is based on following God's laws.

If you do not follow God's laws, then you aren't 'always saved.' Someone who sins after hearing the word of Christ, did not actually hear anything nor accepted Christ into his heart.

Orthodox Christianity is the only Church that teaches this, to my knowledge. Heartbreaking as it is, most "Christians" cannot even quote the most fundamental sentence of the Bible.

Anyone who claims they are teaching the Bible but doesn't quote the Book of Matthew almost never has any idea of what Christ was about.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Samseau said:
Spectrumwalker said:
As far as orthodox Christianity, well, it's works salvation as much as they try and bait and switch you. Which ultimately makes it no better than Romanism, Islam, Mormonism, or any of the Catholic light Protestant denominations. "Yes it's salvation by faith, but...". No buts. Once saved always saved. Its not a process. Jesus did the work. You accept. And it's your gift for eternity. You will go to heaven no matter what you've done, will do or who you are. Otherwise God is a liar, and God cannot lie.

John 5:24.Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Have you ever read the Bible bro?

Matthew 22:36

"36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”"

Obviously if you've heard his word then you know going to heaven is based on following God's laws.

If you do not follow God's laws, then you aren't 'always saved.' Someone who sins after hearing the word of Christ, did not actually hear anything nor accepted Christ into his heart.

Orthodox Christianity is the only Church that teaches this, to my knowledge. Heartbreaking as it is, most "Christians" cannot even quote the most fundamental sentence of the Bible.

Anyone who claims they are teaching the Bible but doesn't quote the Book of Matthew almost never has any idea of what Christ was about.


I think that's an error. Christians are not sinless. But I think you meant that Christians do not willfully sin without regret after their spiritual rebirth.

God's discipline would occur to that individual alongside the work of the holy spirit which will change his/her character to be more and more Christlike through sanctification.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
samifon said:
infowarrior1 said:
Hebrews 1:1-14
1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. 4So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs. 5For to which of the angels did God ever say:

“You are My Son;

today I have become Your Father”?

Or again:

“I will be His Father,

and He will be My Son”?

6And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all God’s angels worship Him
.”

7Now about the angels He says:

“He makes His angels winds,

His servants flames of fire.”

8
9You have loved righteousness

and hated wickedness;

therefore God, Your God, has anointed You

above Your companions with the oil of joy.”


10And:

“In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

11They will perish, but You remain;

they will all wear out like a garment.

12You will roll them up like a robe;

like a garment they will be changed;

but You remain the same,

and Your years will never end.”

13Yet to which of the angels did God ever say:

“Sit at My right hand

until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet” ?

14Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Psalm 45 6:7

Your throne, O God,[a] will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

The exact same wording used in 1 Hebrews 9 is used here. The initial use of "God" refers to the King of Israel, just like England uses the title of "Lord" to denote someone of importance, and the God of the King is GOD.

Likewise, Jesus is not God as we understand God, but simply an important person here to carry out God's will.

I should also add that there are no lowercase letters in Hebrew, so that's why "God" is capitalized in both instances.
That understanding is utterly faulty considering that John's Gospel opens with the fact that Jesus is the Word and the Word was God and with God.

Do Angels worship anyone other than God? Because if they worship a creature they are certainly committing idolatry and no different than the fallen angels.


Or when Jesus declare his preexistence prior to Abraham in John's Gospel: "Before Abraham was I AM"
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
Christians who are not fully committed to a specific denomination are always curious about other denominations. As a non practicing Catholic who is a little disenchanted with the current state. I am looking right now into 3 options:
(1) Trad Catholicism : Latin Masses / Pre Vatican 2 Old school Catholics. This would be the 'stay' option
(2) Bible believing Baptists
(3) Orthodox

The Bible believing Baptists argue that by reading the bible, we can basically serve and worship in the same way as an original Christian who is being preached to in ephesians, phillipians, romans, etc. I agree with much of this, and that many things seem to be changed when Christianity was adopted by the Romans and mixed with their religion. Also, we can look at the sabbath, which is no "Sunday"? Funny to read up on that and how it happened. On the downside, they also have to remake how to celebrate God. The method of service is essentially brand new, sometimes just a preacher speaking, and in many cases there is zero tradition, sacrament

Orthodox on the other hand seems to have a strong ability to simply preserve traditions generationally with zero change whatsoever. This is because they do not have a pope since the great schism. So you are attending mass and following guidance in the same way that people did in ancient Roman times. A bible believing Baptist would say that even this was subverted, and the difficult thing is they have a point. I did go to a good Friday mass once with a Russian girl and enjoyed it. We didn't stay the whole time, it was 4 hours, entirely ceremonial.

So while I think the Baptists focus on understanding the bible is admirable, I think that the Orthodox value on tradition and ceremony has a spiritual element to it that should not be under estimated.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
NoMoreTO said:
Christians who are not fully committed to a specific denomination are always curious about other denominations. As a non practicing Catholic who is a little disenchanted with the current state. I am looking right now into 3 options:
(1) Trad Catholicism : Latin Masses / Pre Vatican 2 Old school Catholics. This would be the 'stay' option
(2) Bible believing Baptists
(3) Orthodox

The Bible believing Baptists argue that by reading the bible, we can basically serve and worship in the same way as an original Christian who is being preached to in ephesians, phillipians, romans, etc. I agree with much of this, and that many things seem to be changed when Christianity was adopted by the Romans and mixed with their religion. Also, we can look at the sabbath, which is no "Sunday"? Funny to read up on that and how it happened. On the downside, they also have to remake how to celebrate God. The method of service is essentially brand new, sometimes just a preacher speaking, and in many cases there is zero tradition, sacrament

Orthodox on the other hand seems to have a strong ability to simply preserve traditions generationally with zero change whatsoever. This is because they do not have a pope since the great schism. So you are attending mass and following guidance in the same way that people did in ancient Roman times. A bible believing Baptist would say that even this was subverted, and the difficult thing is they have a point. I did go to a good Friday mass once with a Russian girl and enjoyed it. We didn't stay the whole time, it was 4 hours, entirely ceremonial.

So while I think the Baptists focus on understanding the bible is admirable, I think that the Orthodox value on tradition and ceremony has a spiritual element to it that should not be under estimated.
I think Baptists and a lot of the Protestants did throw out a lot of the baby with the bathwater. Architecturally and liturgically.
 

Bolly

Pelican
Samseau said:
Have you ever read the Bible bro?
Samseau. Welcome back. I'll write up a rebuttle soon. I'm on my last couple of days vacation and have some farewells to make and things to do. Don't want to rush it. I suppose you've given me something to do at 30,000 feet.
 
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