What is Orthodox Christianity?

debeguiled said:
Samseau said:
2. Both emotions and reason are insufficient to reach God. Because God is so far out of human understanding, reason actually will lead people astray from God. Furthermore, not all emotion is evil as Love itself is an emotion rooted in God. It's not categorical of reason = good and emotion = bad.

Reason is usually good, and emotions are usually lies, but not always and Orthodox teach this.
Glad someone finally said the bolded part.

Most of the people who debate things on the internet have sunk a lot of time and energy into developing their reasoning abilities.

It is no surprise they would come to the conclusion that God is Logos (reason), and then carry on like they always have, only now the subject is God.
This interested me. You said God is not Logos, yet when I hear people like E Michael Jones, he says God is all about the Logos. To him, logos is the natural order of things. Which is why guilt easily comes when we do something out of order, which is a waterfall into other symptoms.

Are you saying God being logos is wrong or are we interpreting it in two different ways?
 

debeguiled

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Manbeline said:
debeguiled said:
Samseau said:
2. Both emotions and reason are insufficient to reach God. Because God is so far out of human understanding, reason actually will lead people astray from God. Furthermore, not all emotion is evil as Love itself is an emotion rooted in God. It's not categorical of reason = good and emotion = bad.

Reason is usually good, and emotions are usually lies, but not always and Orthodox teach this.
Glad someone finally said the bolded part.

Most of the people who debate things on the internet have sunk a lot of time and energy into developing their reasoning abilities.

It is no surprise they would come to the conclusion that God is Logos (reason), and then carry on like they always have, only now the subject is God.
This interested me. You said God is not Logos, yet when I hear people like E Michael Jones, he says God is all about the Logos. To him, logos is the natural order of things. Which is why guilt easily comes when we do something out of order, which is a waterfall into other symptoms.

Are you saying God being logos is wrong or are we interpreting it in two different ways?
People in general are only good at certain things and tend to interpret the world as if all the things they are already good at are really important and all the things they suck at barely exist if they exist at all.

I am saying that the people who always define God as logos and are putting inappropriate limits on the nature of God by reducing him down to the qualities that are in line with their pre-existing preferences.

Logos is obviously part of who God is, but if you go on Youtube and do a search for Christian testimonies, you will discover many extremely persuasive and touching personal accounts that are filled with awe and emotion and surprise.

Very few people come to believe in Jesus simply as a result of dry reasoning. It is a far deeper, more personal and complete experience than that.

If you reduce God to the product of abstract argumentation and debate, you are going to be missing out.

What are the two most important commandments in the Bible?

That you should be reasonable with God with all your heart, soul and mind? And that you should be reasonable with your neighbor as yourself?

I think not.
 
debeguiled said:
Manbeline said:
debeguiled said:
Samseau said:
2. Both emotions and reason are insufficient to reach God. Because God is so far out of human understanding, reason actually will lead people astray from God. Furthermore, not all emotion is evil as Love itself is an emotion rooted in God. It's not categorical of reason = good and emotion = bad.

Reason is usually good, and emotions are usually lies, but not always and Orthodox teach this.
Glad someone finally said the bolded part.

Most of the people who debate things on the internet have sunk a lot of time and energy into developing their reasoning abilities.

It is no surprise they would come to the conclusion that God is Logos (reason), and then carry on like they always have, only now the subject is God.
This interested me. You said God is not Logos, yet when I hear people like E Michael Jones, he says God is all about the Logos. To him, logos is the natural order of things. Which is why guilt easily comes when we do something out of order, which is a waterfall into other symptoms.

Are you saying God being logos is wrong or are we interpreting it in two different ways?
People in general are only good at certain things and tend to interpret the world as if all the things they are already good at are really important and all the things they suck at barely exist if they exist at all.

I am saying that the people who always define God as logos and are putting inappropriate limits on the nature of God by reducing him down to the qualities that are in line with their pre-existing preferences.

Logos is obviously part of who God is, but if you go on Youtube and do a search for Christian testimonies, you will discover many extremely persuasive and touching personal accounts that are filled with awe and emotion and surprise.

Very few people come to believe in Jesus simply as a result of dry reasoning. It is a far deeper, more personal and complete experience than that.

If you reduce God to the product of abstract argumentation and debate, you are going to be missing out.

What are the two most important commandments in the Bible?

That you should be reasonable with God with all your heart, soul and mind? And that you should be reasonable with your neighbor as yourself?

I think not.
In that respect, I understand your view now. Thank you for the clarification. I'm a very logical thinker, but I think what separates me from other superthinkers or prideful people is that I still submit myself to God. I know in the end, I am only human and I have been brought here by someone else. Ever since I had my first memory, I remembered this one thought in my head "Who am I?" I went to church multiple times in my childhood, but as I kept going, I kept seeing contradictions between what people were preaching and what they were doing. When I got into the world of megachurches, that is when I really started to see something twisted about the church. Something predatorial and not "good." I couldn't explain it. It didn't feel right. When I was around all the gaudness, the fake smiles, the sermons, the preachings, something felt guilty about it. And guilt is natural. It happens cause something is wrong.

It is why I've resolved myself to the self temple of God worship. At least until I can figure out what the real path is suppose to be or whether I am already on it. That is what God is to me. I'm doing what is natural. So logos seems fitting.
 
Okay, i've seen a lot of theological, metaphysical and esoteric discussion on this thread so far. Personally i am a Serbian Eastern Orthodox Christian living in the west. Truthfully, i am rather lackluster in my worship but i can consider myself and my family Christian in the sense that we bother to commemorate Easter with the fast and celebration after. Same thing for Christmas. Slava's as well (not always, unfortunately). Still, when we commemorate we effectively follow and respect the Julian Calendar.

I am far from a theological expert but what i can contribute is practical expressions of belief and literal basics of customs in Eastern Orthodox Christianity. So i can basically explain what Eastern Orthodoxy (The Serbian variety at least) is by how it is practiced.

The first thing people should know is that there are several different Orthodox national/regional Church branches each led by their own Patriarch. This matters because customs differ amongst different churches and also for political reasons. Church size and relevance go roughly like this (there is room for disputation of course):

1. Russian Orthodox Church
2. Serbian Orthodox Church
3. Greek/Constantinople Patriarchy (Despite bizarre political happenings still is)
4. Romanian Orthodox Church
5. Bulgarian Orthodox Church
6. Orthodox Churches in Diaspora nations (So basically US branches and other Anglo/West Euro nations with large Greek, Serb, or other Orthodox believer diasporas)

What all Eastern Orthodox worshipers have in common is that they all follow the Julian Calendar which is literally the same thing as the Gregorian Calendar but the only difference is that it is 13 days ahead of the Gregorian one. For instance, this is why Eastern Orthodox Christians celebrate Christmas on the 7th of January instead of 25th December. Its also why New Years Eve for Eastern Orthodox Christians is on 13th January. The 13 day difference is easy to see. Easter is a different matter as its simply determined by a specific set of experts or religious heads for the whole Orthodox world (so not 13 days difference) and everyone is informed about it just in time. I don't know how exactly the Easter date is determined but it would definitely make for an interesting constellation topic.

As for how Easter is commemorated, it is a common custom to paint eggs, decorate them and then crack them. That is have egg cracking contests where one side is the egg "butt" while the other is the egg "head" where heads and butts can only exclusively go against each other for game balance reasons. Otherwise, it is really identical in celebration and fasting as other Christian denominations.

Christmas is celebrated on 7th January where a Badnjak is set on fire. That is, a branch of an oak tree is burned ideally on a fire outside, inside a house or even on your stove, if no other alternatives exist. It is shaken repeatedly for sparks which symbolize good luck. Also, parts of it that are not burned are placed around and inside your home in different rooms for good luck and where they bless different things in your household. There is fasting on the 6th, Christmas Eve as well of course. On Christmas something called a "Chesnica" is created which is bread with some kind of coin or currency where it is passed around the family table while being kissed repeatedly. Eventually, it is ripped apart (politely) and the person who happens to take the piece with the currency is considered to be blessed for the upcoming year.

As for a Slava, it is a feast or a celebration after a patron saint by one family, where family and friends from other families are invited as guests for it. Here also a Chesnica is broken. It is basically a worship or commemoration of a chosen Orthodox saint in a traditional manner, but in a fun and cool way as alcohol is allowed to be drunk (of course, people are expected not to be degenerates). Each different saint has their own day of commemoration or celebration and each family is simply assumed to choose or stay with one as they are considered to bless different things. For instance, my family's patron saint, Saint Sava, will confer knowledge and education upon you. Saint Sava is commemorated upon 27th January every year. In the past amongst Serbs, it was common to reference days of the years and calendar months by Saints due to Serb lands being occupied by Turks for several hundred years where access to things like Calendars was rare and suppressed.

It should be noted that both the lighting of the Badnjak and the Slava's are distinct and unique Serbian customs in worshiping the Eastern Orthodox faith. They are remnants from the Pagan periods incorporated by the local Orthodox Church in order to assimilate Pagans as they proved to be extremely resistant to conversion in Serbia. From what i know, none of the other Orthodox Churches have such customs for its believers but i believe the other various churches have their own unique different customs. Eastern Orthodoxy and the Orthodox Churches are fundamentally opposed to Ecumenicalism, which is basically mutliculturalism for Christianity. Any Christian who claims to be Ecumenical, Orthodox or not, is not a real Christian at all and is merely a modern Globo-Homo Christian.
 
Thanks for the posts, Knjaz. By the way, since you were wondering, the date of Pascha is calculated as the Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox, with the proviso that it follows the jewish passover.
 
Blessings to our western friends who celebrate the Resurrection of our Lord tomorrow, and to all of the eastern christians, may you have a fruitful Holy Week and likewise, a joyous celebration of the risen Christ
 
I've been thinking very hardily about converting to Orthodoxy from my lapsed Catholic upbringing. I have researched and researched and feel that any more would be counterproductive. The only sect of Christianity to never poz itself out to its constituents is Orthodoxy, and whatever corruptions that its clergy may have are individual cases and not widespread. I still am hesitant about taking the initial steps because I believe that Jesus was against all organized religion.. anyone care to elaborate on this sentiment?
 

Easy_C

Crow
Someone referred me to a priest who is a rather interesting guy: former Union thug turned Catholic priest.

In some of his other talks he shows himself to be very redpill in ways most don't know such as explicitly calling out Disney for being "demonic" and saying that "Hollywood is run by Jews and homosexuals".

 
MusicForThePiano said:
I've been thinking very hardily about converting to Orthodoxy from my lapsed Catholic upbringing. I have researched and researched and feel that any more would be counterproductive. The only sect of Christianity to never poz itself out to its constituents is Orthodoxy, and whatever corruptions that its clergy may have are individual cases and not widespread. I still am hesitant about taking the initial steps because I believe that Jesus was against all organized religion.. anyone care to elaborate on this sentiment?
If it makes you feel any better, Orthodoxy in America is not especially well-organized. You'll fit right in :)
 

John 14:6

Newbie
Can you provide evidence for that belief?
His rebuke of the pharisees in Matthew 23:15

if you believe what Jesus Christ did on the cross to be your redemption from sin and in thankfulness want to worship God by living a life that is pleasing to Him (according to the ten commandments) and love Him but you are taught or are being put under the impression that that's not something you can afford on your own, outside of say an established church hierarchy and that you need an intermediary other than Jesus Christ between you and The Father say a pastor or a bishop, this is antichrist.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
How do you connect his admonishment of the Pharisees who lacked faith to the same as admonishing His church that He came to establish? It's a wild leap. Did you make this conclusion yourself or were you taught this by a preacher?

Any man who goes in alone without a church or guide is certainly going to full under heavy deception, which I sense is your case. The forum is not for offshoots of Christianity. I cannot accodomate men who have made themselves their own Pope and want to challenge the most basic of doctrines.
 

John 14:6

Newbie
How do you connect his admonishment of the Pharisees who lacked faith to the same as admonishing His church that He came to establish? It's a wild leap. Did you make this conclusion yourself or were you taught this by a preacher?

Any man who goes in alone without a church or guide is certainly going to full under heavy deception, which I sense is your case. The forum is not for offshoots of Christianity. I cannot accodomate men who have made themselves their own Pope and want to challenge the most basic of doctrines.
i'm absolutely not saying you shouldn't go to church, btw. i'm from a muslim country, i'd love to have a church, to have people in my life who love Jesus. what i'm saying is that, God, from the beginning was against the idea of being tamed into a building. our bodies are the temple of God. it's a wonderful thing to come together in the name of Jesus and sing praises to the holy name of God, but if redemption is attached to it being a necessity, this is antichrist. buildings are made with hands and the entire hierarchy is us, under Christ, who is under The father
 

Roosh

Cardinal
You're all mixed up or trolling. Stop posting in Christian threads. And you have to use proper capitalization on the forum.
 

John 14:6

Newbie
You're all mixed up or trolling. Stop posting in Christian threads. And you have to use proper capitalization on the forum.
I'm not trolling, I'd love to address each and every point that you think is mixed up with scripture. I'm sorry if I caused any offence.
 
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