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<blockquote data-quote="pathos" data-source="post: 1554305" data-attributes="member: 24295"><p>Been doing some research. These canons from the Second Council of Orange against semi-pelagianism (the idea that we come to God through free will and God then enables us to grow in faith through His grace) are interesting:</p><p></p><p></p><p>This basically means that free will most definitely is weakened, although not annihilated.</p><p></p><p>And:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Source is <a href="http://www.crivoice.org/creedorange.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</p><p></p><p>An Orthodox article on <em>double</em> predestination:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://pravoslavie.ru/78445.html" target="_blank">Plucking the TULIP (2) – An Eastern Orthodox Critique of the Reformed Doctrine of Predestination</a></p><p></p><p>The author insists that Orthodoxy's "synergism" rejects <em>double </em>predestination yet is anti-Pelagian. That would seem congruent with the canons of the Council of Orange to me, though it's still a bit unclear to me what he makes of "free will". Orange was still Augustinian in its overall outlook. It's regrettable he didn't address "predestination" as such though to be fair the article is aimed at Reformed folks. The way many Orthodox position themselves on free will and predestination still sounds somewhat semi-Pelagian to my ears. I'll have to dig some more.</p><p></p><p><strong>Addendum </strong>from New Advent's (Catholic source) <a href="https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11266b.htm" target="_blank">entry</a> on this council<strong>:</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Apparently all this was approved by Pope Boniface II in 531 AD. This makes it ecumenical/magisterial to Catholics though from an Orthodox perspective, since this is from pre-Schism times, I would assume it would basically mean this position is at least acceptable today?</p><p></p><p>That East/West divide sure is a pain in the butt, isn't it? If anyone knows of any Western rite Orthodox who've looked into this in some depth, I'd be happy to hear about it. On with the quest.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pathos, post: 1554305, member: 24295"] Been doing some research. These canons from the Second Council of Orange against semi-pelagianism (the idea that we come to God through free will and God then enables us to grow in faith through His grace) are interesting: This basically means that free will most definitely is weakened, although not annihilated. And: Source is [URL='http://www.crivoice.org/creedorange.html']here[/URL]. An Orthodox article on [I]double[/I] predestination: [URL='https://pravoslavie.ru/78445.html']Plucking the TULIP (2) – An Eastern Orthodox Critique of the Reformed Doctrine of Predestination[/URL] The author insists that Orthodoxy's "synergism" rejects [I]double [/I]predestination yet is anti-Pelagian. That would seem congruent with the canons of the Council of Orange to me, though it's still a bit unclear to me what he makes of "free will". Orange was still Augustinian in its overall outlook. It's regrettable he didn't address "predestination" as such though to be fair the article is aimed at Reformed folks. The way many Orthodox position themselves on free will and predestination still sounds somewhat semi-Pelagian to my ears. I'll have to dig some more. [B]Addendum [/B]from New Advent's (Catholic source) [URL='https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11266b.htm']entry[/URL] on this council[B]:[/B] Apparently all this was approved by Pope Boniface II in 531 AD. This makes it ecumenical/magisterial to Catholics though from an Orthodox perspective, since this is from pre-Schism times, I would assume it would basically mean this position is at least acceptable today? That East/West divide sure is a pain in the butt, isn't it? If anyone knows of any Western rite Orthodox who've looked into this in some depth, I'd be happy to hear about it. On with the quest. [/QUOTE]
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