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<blockquote data-quote="Retard_Strength" data-source="post: 1557081" data-attributes="member: 24212">&quot;...you now can go back a few hundred years in history to John Calvin’s Institutes of the Christian Religion, which is this thick, tiny print, but if you ever go mad and actually force yourself to read it, rather than to read what an encyclopedia tells you it says, you'll find that Calvin says that the saved are saved before they are born, the damned, who are 19 to 1, are damned before they're born and no amount of good works or behavior can save the damned. And no amount of evil behavior can damn the saved. The expression that used to be pretty common but it's vanished, I think on purpose, is justified sinners. The saved are justified sinners who can do anything, they can carpet bomb civilian populations whether they're Nazis or Americans. You know, you've done no harm according to Calvin. Calvin said the only way the elect, he called the saved, the elect will ever be safe because they are outnumbered so heavily, is to set up a system of universal compulsion schooling with the intention of destroying the imagination and filling the head with garbage. Spinoza said the same thing, Fichte said the same thing...&quot;This quote from &quot;The Ultimate History Lesson&quot; with John Taylor Gatto really grabbed my attention. Can anyone confirm if Calvin indeed said this? Theological arguments begin to fall a bit flat if these are the fruits.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Retard_Strength, post: 1557081, member: 24212"] "...you now can go back a few hundred years in history to John Calvin’s Institutes of the Christian Religion, which is this thick, tiny print, but if you ever go mad and actually force yourself to read it, rather than to read what an encyclopedia tells you it says, you'll find that Calvin says that the saved are saved before they are born, the damned, who are 19 to 1, are damned before they're born and no amount of good works or behavior can save the damned. And no amount of evil behavior can damn the saved. The expression that used to be pretty common but it's vanished, I think on purpose, is justified sinners. The saved are justified sinners who can do anything, they can carpet bomb civilian populations whether they're Nazis or Americans. You know, you've done no harm according to Calvin. [B]Calvin said the only way the elect, he called the saved, the elect will ever be safe because they are outnumbered so heavily, is to set up a system of universal compulsion schooling with the intention of destroying the imagination and filling the head with garbage.[/B] Spinoza said the same thing, Fichte said the same thing..." This quote from "The Ultimate History Lesson" with John Taylor Gatto really grabbed my attention. Can anyone confirm if Calvin indeed said this? Theological arguments begin to fall a bit flat if these are the fruits. [/QUOTE]

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